Gordon wrote:
Why is it a good thing to eat wild commercially caught salmon and a bad
thing to eat farmed salmon?
Here in Washington State, we spend millions to enhance streams, reverse
erosion, stop cows from peeing in creeks, etc to save dwindling stocks of
wild salmon and at the same time, conservationists tell us to eat wild fish
only! What the ^%$&?
And while I'm at it, why do people go nuts when there is a minor sewage
spill yet the city of Victoria Canada can dump 34 million gallons of
untreated sewage per DAY into the Straits of Juan de Fuca with no adverse
effects?
Gordon

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Gordon wrote:
Why is it a good thing to eat wild commercially caught salmon and a bad
thing to eat farmed salmon?
Here in Washington State, we spend millions to enhance streams, reverse
erosion, stop cows from peeing in creeks, etc to save dwindling stocks of
wild salmon and at the same time, conservationists tell us to eat wild
fish
only! What the ^%$&?
And while I'm at it, why do people go nuts when there is a minor sewage
spill yet the city of Victoria Canada can dump 34 million gallons of
untreated sewage per DAY into the Straits of Juan de Fuca with no adverse
effects?
Gordon

cite?


Do a google. Lots of info on a major city without a sewage treatment plant.

Gordon wrote:
Why is it a good thing to eat wild commercially caught salmon and a bad
thing to eat farmed salmon?
Here in Washington State, we spend millions to enhance streams, reverse
erosion, stop cows from peeing in creeks, etc to save dwindling stocks of
wild salmon and at the same time, conservationists tell us to eat wild fish
only! What the ^%$&?
And while I'm at it, why do people go nuts when there is a minor sewage
spill yet the city of Victoria Canada can dump 34 million gallons of
untreated sewage per DAY into the Straits of Juan de Fuca with no adverse
effects?
Gordon


Fish farming in estuaries like Puget Sound is environmentally
destructive.

In nature, a school of salmon travels through miles of ocean every day
and is not restricted to swimming in the same water it fouls with its
waste. This is rather obviously not true with fish raised in very
crowded conditions in a pen. In nature, the salmon are able to take
food from the surrounding waters (schools of bait fish, etc), and again
this is not true in a pen situation. The seafloor becomes so
contaminated under a salmon pen that the normal sea life is either
altered in consist or dies out entirely for large areas surrounding the
pen. Commercial "fish food" must be fed to the farmed fish, and as the
uneaten chunks of this stuff settle into the water and rots it promotes
the growth of algae, etc.

Holmes Harbor, on Whidbey Island, is an excellent example. My parent
lived there for a while, and when they moved in the beaches in the
harbor were clean and clamming was pretty good in certain sections.
After a couple of fish farms set up shop, the beaches eventually became
covered with green slime and algae and clamming went straight to heck.

Fish farms are forced to use a lot of medication to prevent the spread
of disease among the unnaturally dense and confined schools of fish,
and this medication finds its way into the meat much the same way that
growth hormones show up in beef and milk, etc.

Finally, most of the fish farms in the Pacific NW raise Atlantic
salmon, which are not native to the NW. When these fish escape, (and
some always manage to escape), they
compete with native stocks for available food. If any of the escaped
farm fish eventually went upstream to spawn...(maybe not all that
likely because salmon typically return to the stream where they were
hatched)...they would compete for opportunities to mate with the
dominant native species but would be genetically unable to produce
offspring.

Seen on a bumper sticker: Help Stamp out Dangerous Drugs, Refuse to Eat
Farmed Fish.

And while I'm at it, why do people go nuts when there is a minor sewage
spill yet the city of Victoria Canada can dump 34 million gallons of
untreated sewage per DAY into the Straits of Juan de Fuca with no adverse
effects?
Gordon


You'll be pleased to know that the Liberals in Canada are now pressing,
hard, to fund a sewage treatment plant in Victoria. Looks like you and
the Liberals are on the same side here, but to be fair the
Conservatives are also in favor of a sewage plant (as well as
additional army bases) so you don't *really* have to agree with the
Liberals in order to be in favor of sewage treatment. :-)

*****


Victoria sewage plant in Liberal plan
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Prime Minister Paul Martin's Liberals will unveil a new "made-in-B.C.
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OTTAWA -- Funding for a sewage treatment plant for Greater Victoria is
part of a made-for-B.C. agenda that federal Liberals are expected to
release today as part their election campaign.

The list of priorities, being championed by B.C. Liberal MPs, also
includes:

- A national centre for disaster-response training and research.

- A B.C.-focused regional-development agency.

- A research centre on drug addiction and mental health in Surrey

- A new visa office in Guangzhou in southern China

- Funding for Nanaimo's convention centre in Nanaimo.

Building a sewage treatment plant would allow Greater Victoria to end
its practice of dumping raw sewage into Juan de Fuca Strait.

But the idea of building such a plant remains controversial, with many
people, including Victoria Liberal MP David Anderson, who isn't running
again, saying it's not necessary because the ocean does an excellent
job of diluting and dispersing the sewage, rendering it harmless.

Victoria Mayor Alan Lowe, a sewage treatment plant supporter, said he's
delighted with the news. He pointed out that the NDP and Conservatives
are also supporting sewage treatment for Victoria.

"They're all talking about it now. They know this has been an issue in
the capital region for decades. The timing is right. The 2010 Olympics
are coming. The capital city should have sewage treatment," said Lowe.

Liberal Industry Minister David Emerson and Health Minister Ujjal
Dosanjh are to reveal the B.C. platform in Vancouver today.

Conservative Leader Stephen Harper recently released his own long list
of B.C. vows that includes re-establishing an army base on the West
Coast and giving British Columbians more seats in Parliament.

The special attention to B.C. voters reflects the view among many
analysts that the winner of the Jan. 23 election will be decided in
many B.C. ridings, which are seeing tight two- and three-way races.

"What this is really doing is flattering British Columbians," said
University of Victoria political scientist Norman Ruff. "It speaks to
the special position of B.C. as the government breaker or government
maker."

The new Liberal plan doesn't promise a new army base, but does respond
to the natural disaster concerns that played a role in Harper's vow to
reverse the 1995 Liberal decision to shut B.C.'s only army base, which
was located in Chilliwack.

"More than any other place in Canada, B.C. communities are vulnerable
to threats such as earthquakes, tsunamis, and forest fires. Greater
Vancouver is susceptible to flooding if the Fraser River and its
tributaries overflow," states the Liberal plan, which was provided to
The Vancouver Sun.

© Times Colonist (Victoria) 2006

wrote:


You'll be pleased to know that the Liberals in Canada are now pressing,
hard, to fund a sewage treatment plant in Victoria. Looks like you and
the Liberals are on the same side here, but to be fair the
Conservatives are also in favor of a sewage plant (as well as
additional army bases) so you don't *really* have to agree with the
Liberals in order to be in favor of sewage treatment. :-)

*****


Victoria sewage plant in Liberal plan
snip..


We've finally got our act in gear....
It'll be nice to sail the inner harbour again without the crappy odours.
http://www.halifax.ca/harboursol/

wrote:

You'll be pleased to know that the Liberals in Canada are now pressing,
hard, to fund a...

alt.politics.

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Skipper

Skipper wrote:
wrote:


You'll be pleased to know that the Liberals in Canada are now pressing,
hard, to fund a...


alt.politics.

--
Skipper


Ease up! No one tells you to take your 'boating adventures' to
alt.fantasies.

Don White wrote:
Skipper wrote:
wrote:


You'll be pleased to know that the Liberals in Canada are now pressing,
hard, to fund a...


alt.politics.

--
Skipper


He snipped the part that read "Conservatives are also in favor of a
sewage plant."
If you give equal time to both sides of the question, and it has to do
with improving the water quality where a lot of us boat, is that
"political"?

On 20 Jan 2006 17:45:53 -0800, wrote:


Don White wrote:
Skipper wrote:
wrote:


You'll be pleased to know that the Liberals in Canada are now pressing,
hard, to fund a...


alt.politics.

--
Skipper


He snipped the part that read "Conservatives are also in favor of a
sewage plant."
If you give equal time to both sides of the question, and it has to do
with improving the water quality where a lot of us boat, is that
"political"?

If you give equal time to the reporter and the soldier, is that political?
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

On 20 Jan 2006 17:45:53 -0800, wrote:


Don White wrote:
Skipper wrote:
wrote:


You'll be pleased to know that the Liberals in Canada are now pressing,
hard, to fund a...


alt.politics.

--
Skipper


He snipped the part that read "Conservatives are also in favor of a
sewage plant."
If you give equal time to both sides of the question, and it has to do
with improving the water quality where a lot of us boat, is that
"political"?

PS. I think it makes no difference whether political or not. Yesterday I
came home to find 155 new headers in the newsgroup. Of those, about 100
were personal attacks on Skipper and Reggie by the famous crowd, or
responses to personal attacks, which soon turned into more personal
attacks..

There are some who go so far as to have us believe their personal attacks
are a legitimate response to someone trying to keep the group a decent
place to visit.

We know where the problem starts, as this place was pretty nice for a
while. But there are a few amongst us not mature enough to participate
without the cat-fighting, it seems.

Maybe you should try another challenge, Chuck.

--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******