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"Gordon" wrote in message
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The disease in deer and elk is called chronic wasting disease or cwd.
This
sounds better than the infamous "mad cow disease", however they are
closely
related. I hunted Colorado this fall and they go into great detail on
how to
safely handle the meat. To date, there are no known cases of humans
contacting the disease.
As for diseased fish, thats all nonsense as far as I can tell. However,
if
someone read it on the internet, it must be true!
Gordon

Mad cow disease is caused by prions. I'm not totally clear on what that
is, but diseased meat cannot be made safe by cooking, unless the meat's
incinerated beyond the point of being edible. If CWD is also caused by
prions, there is no way to safely handle the meat other than to not eat
it.

As far as fish diseases, which ones are nonsense? Whirling disease?
Others? Enlighten me.


The Mad Cow prions seem to affect man. There is another prion disease
found in sheep, that does not cross over.


What about the fish diseases which you claim to be nonsense? You haven't
answered that question. I'm going to need to see some cites which describe
the research on these non-issue diseases.

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About a month ago (my timeline could be off bit) the news was reporting
that farm raised salmon were less healthy for humans than wild salmon; I
don't recall if it was a heart disease report, or something else.


If I recall correctly it had something to do with the amount of fat
contained in farm raised salmon.

Eisboch


I wonder (sorry-no cites available) if it's related to the food they're
given. After all, you don't hear much about wild salmon eating cows.

Here's a scary thing, marginal to this discussion: On a Nova show last year,
they said that some killer whales' body tissue contains so much toxic crap
(by parts per million or however it's measures) that if the animals were
land-based waste, they'd be subject to special handling by whoever needed to
discard them. I'm sure the fish we eat don't have the same issues, though,
because they swim in special water, unlike the whales.

Doug Kanter wrote:
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About a month ago (my timeline could be off bit) the news was reporting
that farm raised salmon were less healthy for humans than wild salmon; I
don't recall if it was a heart disease report, or something else.

If I recall correctly it had something to do with the amount of fat
contained in farm raised salmon.

Eisboch


I wonder (sorry-no cites available) if it's related to the food they're
given. After all, you don't hear much about wild salmon eating cows.


PCB's are stored in the fat, and farm raised salmon will have more fat,

http://www.healthcastle.com/wildsalm...edsalmon.shtml

I have been buying farm raised shrimp, but am now concerned about all
farm raised fish. Damn all of you.

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Reggie
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Doug Kanter wrote:
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About a month ago (my timeline could be off bit) the news was reporting
that farm raised salmon were less healthy for humans than wild salmon;
I don't recall if it was a heart disease report, or something else.

If I recall correctly it had something to do with the amount of fat
contained in farm raised salmon.

Eisboch


I wonder (sorry-no cites available) if it's related to the food they're
given. After all, you don't hear much about wild salmon eating cows.
PCB's are stored in the fat, and farm raised salmon will have more fat,

http://www.healthcastle.com/wildsalm...edsalmon.shtml

I have been buying farm raised shrimp, but am now concerned about all farm
raised fish. Damn all of you.

Here, unless I want to pay four million bucks a pound for "wild" shrimp, the
only option is farm-raised stuff.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
Here's a scary thing, marginal to this discussion: On a Nova show last
year, they said that some killer whales' body tissue contains so much
toxic crap (by parts per million or however it's measures) that if the
animals were land-based waste, they'd be subject to special handling by
whoever needed to discard them. I'm sure the fish we eat don't have the
same issues, though, because they swim in special water, unlike the
whales.


There you go again, trying to raise some controversial political issue.
Are you trying to make the netcops chokes?

Well, admittedly, it is fun to toy with science. Some will say that since
the fish we eat are so much smaller than killer whales, they contain less
toxins, so concerns are minimal. However, we eat them regularly. So.....???

Similar reasoning here in Rochester. There are health warnings for eating
certain types & sizes of fish from Lake Ontario, and most years, the
warnings include even smaller fish because they're finding increased toxin
levels. Meanwhile, the city and some surrounding areas get their drinking
water from Lake Ontario. The water authority says not to worry because we
don't "breathe" the water, like the fish. But, we drink it and cook with it
all our lives, and it's supposed to be harmless. Yeah. OK.

Downstream, in the St Lawrence River, scientists find beluga whales with
cancer.

Doug Kanter wrote:

I have been buying farm raised shrimp, but am now concerned about all farm
raised fish. Damn all of you.

Here, unless I want to pay four million bucks a pound for "wild" shrimp, the
only option is farm-raised stuff.

And then there's the situation in Guaymas/San Carlos: As the daily
brilliant sunrises prove, there are compensations, including those early
morning visits from the Shrimp Man. Fresh, headless truly jumbo prawns,
right out of the sea, for less than $6 a pound. How 'bout a kilo or two?
It is best in the West.

--
Skipper

Okay, how about one more website, obviously in support of farmed salmon.
This site has answers to all your questions, but from a farm point of view.
So who do you believe?
http://www.salmonoftheamericas.com/index.html

The one thing that stands out in all the hyperbole is the difference
between EPA and FDA safe levels of pcb's. About a 10x difference.

So who do you trust? Beats me.
Gordon

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Gordon" wrote in message
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The disease in deer and elk is called chronic wasting disease or cwd.
This
sounds better than the infamous "mad cow disease", however they are
closely
related. I hunted Colorado this fall and they go into great detail on
how to
safely handle the meat. To date, there are no known cases of humans
contacting the disease.
As for diseased fish, thats all nonsense as far as I can tell. However,
if
someone read it on the internet, it must be true!
Gordon

Mad cow disease is caused by prions. I'm not totally clear on what that
is, but diseased meat cannot be made safe by cooking, unless the meat's
incinerated beyond the point of being edible. If CWD is also caused by
prions, there is no way to safely handle the meat other than to not eat
it.

As far as fish diseases, which ones are nonsense? Whirling disease?
Others? Enlighten me.


The Mad Cow prions seem to affect man. There is another prion disease
found in sheep, that does not cross over.


What about the fish diseases which you claim to be nonsense? You haven't
answered that question. I'm going to need to see some cites which describe
the research on these non-issue diseases.


The fish diseases affect the wild fish. Whirling disease from hatchery
trout has screwed up more than one lake.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Here's a scary thing, marginal to this discussion: On a Nova show last
year, they said that some killer whales' body tissue contains so much
toxic crap (by parts per million or however it's measures) that if the
animals were land-based waste, they'd be subject to special handling by
whoever needed to discard them. I'm sure the fish we eat don't have the
same issues, though, because they swim in special water, unlike the
whales.


Has to do with age more than size. Longer lived, more concentrations.
halibut of 200# are almost not sellable by the commercials. To much
mercury. The buyers want the 60# and less. As to the Mercury, most is from
China and all the coal they burn. That air pollution has to go somewhere.