"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
...by the sky marshals may turn out to be a horrific mistake on their
part.

Too many witnesses are contradicting the marshals' description of the
deceased's on-board behavior.




BS. The guy was bi-polar. In a manic stage, and was probably suicide by
cop/sky marshal. We will probably see more of this, as the sky marshal has
less time to make a decision. If a guy says he has a bomb and reaches into
his duffle, I say shoot fast and true. It may be a mistake, but I would
rather the Suicide by Cop, than have the real bomb go off, because of a wait
time.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
...by the sky marshals may turn out to be a horrific mistake on their
part.

Too many witnesses are contradicting the marshals' description of the
deceased's on-board behavior.




BS. The guy was bi-polar. In a manic stage, and was probably suicide by
cop/sky marshal. We will probably see more of this, as the sky marshal
has less time to make a decision. If a guy says he has a bomb and
reaches into his duffle, I say shoot fast and true. It may be a mistake,
but I would rather the Suicide by Cop, than have the real bomb go off,
because of a wait time.


The CNN story also said he was wearing his backpack on his chest, which
aroused suspicion. This guy's time was up.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
...by the sky marshals may turn out to be a horrific mistake on their
part.

Too many witnesses are contradicting the marshals' description of the
deceased's on-board behavior.




BS. The guy was bi-polar. In a manic stage, and was probably suicide by
cop/sky marshal. We will probably see more of this, as the sky marshal
has less time to make a decision. If a guy says he has a bomb and
reaches into his duffle, I say shoot fast and true. It may be a mistake,
but I would rather the Suicide by Cop, than have the real bomb go off,
because of a wait time.

Yes, several of the fellow's survivors say he suffered from bipolar
disorder, and there have been reports he was "off" his mood stabilizers.
But we don't know the latter for fact, do we?

You haven't a clue as to his state of mind before or during the shooting,
and for you to claim the fellow wanted to die via cop suicide is absurd.

Something happened, we don't know what for sure, beyond the shooting.
Witnesses from the plane are contradicting the sky cops.

We've had enough examples of cops killing by mistake. I am not saying this
case is an example of that. But it could be, and that is what my post
stated.

Harry, no matter what, it's tragic. But, I think sky marshalls have to base
fast decisions on outward appearances. The guy didn't stop, drop his
belongings and show his hands when they told him to. IIRC, he was running
into the building. What would you have done? Let him keep going toward a
crowd of people just to see if he actually had a bomb or maybe a weapon? Let
him detonate something on the walkway thing that's 20-50 feet from a wing
filled with jet fuel?

Harry,
His wife said he was Bi-Polar and had been off his meds, but it is possible
that she lied.

It is possible that it is a right wing conspiracy.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
...by the sky marshals may turn out to be a horrific mistake on their
part.

Too many witnesses are contradicting the marshals' description of the
deceased's on-board behavior.




BS. The guy was bi-polar. In a manic stage, and was probably suicide by
cop/sky marshal. We will probably see more of this, as the sky marshal
has less time to make a decision. If a guy says he has a bomb and
reaches into his duffle, I say shoot fast and true. It may be a mistake,
but I would rather the Suicide by Cop, than have the real bomb go off,
because of a wait time.

Yes, several of the fellow's survivors say he suffered from bipolar
disorder, and there have been reports he was "off" his mood stabilizers.
But we don't know the latter for fact, do we?

You haven't a clue as to his state of mind before or during the shooting,
and for you to claim the fellow wanted to die via cop suicide is absurd.

Something happened, we don't know what for sure, beyond the shooting.
Witnesses from the plane are contradicting the sky cops.

We've had enough examples of cops killing by mistake. I am not saying this
case is an example of that. But it could be, and that is what my post
stated.



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Harry,
His wife said he was Bi-Polar and had been off his meds, but it is possible
that she lied.

It is possible that it is a right wing conspiracy.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
...by the sky marshals may turn out to be a horrific mistake on their
part.

Too many witnesses are contradicting the marshals' description of the
deceased's on-board behavior.




BS. The guy was bi-polar. In a manic stage, and was probably suicide by
cop/sky marshal. We will probably see more of this, as the sky marshal
has less time to make a decision. If a guy says he has a bomb and
reaches into his duffle, I say shoot fast and true. It may be a mistake,
but I would rather the Suicide by Cop, than have the real bomb go off,
because of a wait time.

Yes, several of the fellow's survivors say he suffered from bipolar
disorder, and there have been reports he was "off" his mood stabilizers.
But we don't know the latter for fact, do we?

You haven't a clue as to his state of mind before or during the shooting,
and for you to claim the fellow wanted to die via cop suicide is absurd.

Something happened, we don't know what for sure, beyond the shooting.
Witnesses from the plane are contradicting the sky cops.

We've had enough examples of cops killing by mistake. I am not saying this
case is an example of that. But it could be, and that is what my post
stated.



--
SUPPORT BUSH'S ENEMIES BUY CITGO GAS.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
...by the sky marshals may turn out to be a horrific mistake on their
part.

Too many witnesses are contradicting the marshals' description of the
deceased's on-board behavior.



BS. The guy was bi-polar. In a manic stage, and was probably suicide
by cop/sky marshal. We will probably see more of this, as the sky
marshal has less time to make a decision. If a guy says he has a bomb
and reaches into his duffle, I say shoot fast and true. It may be a
mistake, but I would rather the Suicide by Cop, than have the real bomb
go off, because of a wait time.
Yes, several of the fellow's survivors say he suffered from bipolar
disorder, and there have been reports he was "off" his mood stabilizers.
But we don't know the latter for fact, do we?

You haven't a clue as to his state of mind before or during the
shooting, and for you to claim the fellow wanted to die via cop suicide
is absurd.

Something happened, we don't know what for sure, beyond the shooting.
Witnesses from the plane are contradicting the sky cops.

We've had enough examples of cops killing by mistake. I am not saying
this case is an example of that. But it could be, and that is what my
post stated.

Harry, no matter what, it's tragic. But, I think sky marshalls have to
base fast decisions on outward appearances. The guy didn't stop, drop his
belongings and show his hands when they told him to. IIRC, he was running
into the building. What would you have done? Let him keep going toward a
crowd of people just to see if he actually had a bomb or maybe a weapon?
Let him detonate something on the walkway thing that's 20-50 feet from a
wing filled with jet fuel?

I'd like to know how anyone thought he could sneak a bomb on board a
US-flag airliner on a flight boarding in south Florida. Remember, the guy
had arrived earlier on a different flight from Quito, Ecuador. Ecuador. As
in heavy-duty carry on bag examination for drugs.

The last time I flew, every passenger and every passenger's luggage was
carefully scrutinized. Everyone's shoes were examined. Every piece of
carry-on luggage was viewed, and all bags were opened. My wife flies
around the country frequently, and she and everyone else on every flight
is subjected to the same sorts of searches.

So this fellow gets on a plane at a major US airport, one known to be used
by drug carriers, after going through security, and the sky marshals think
they hear him say he has a bomb, and as he runs off the plane onto the
jetway, they fire five shots at him? What would they do if when confronted
another guy pulls out his wallet? Will they shoot him, too? That happened,
you know. In NYC.

Well, I am sure there will be an investigation. I hope it is an honest
one.



And in October, when we flew SFO to Rome, Italy via Cincinnati, I reached
into the carryon backpack when we having lunch in Cincinnati, inside the
security area, and I found the 4" folding knife that lives in the pack for
picnics. Since we did not have to exit the security area, I finished the
flight to Rome with a 4" knife aboard. And you may not get aboard with
drugs, but bombs may not be as highly search for. And when we flew out of
Quito this year, there was no major search of carryon for drugs. Was no
more search than any US airport, maybe less. Run the carryon through the
x-ray machine.

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:52:18 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
...by the sky marshals may turn out to be a horrific mistake on their
part.

Too many witnesses are contradicting the marshals' description of the
deceased's on-board behavior.



BS. The guy was bi-polar. In a manic stage, and was probably suicide by
cop/sky marshal. We will probably see more of this, as the sky marshal
has less time to make a decision. If a guy says he has a bomb and
reaches into his duffle, I say shoot fast and true. It may be a mistake,
but I would rather the Suicide by Cop, than have the real bomb go off,
because of a wait time.
Yes, several of the fellow's survivors say he suffered from bipolar
disorder, and there have been reports he was "off" his mood stabilizers.
But we don't know the latter for fact, do we?

You haven't a clue as to his state of mind before or during the shooting,
and for you to claim the fellow wanted to die via cop suicide is absurd.

Something happened, we don't know what for sure, beyond the shooting.
Witnesses from the plane are contradicting the sky cops.

We've had enough examples of cops killing by mistake. I am not saying this
case is an example of that. But it could be, and that is what my post
stated.

Harry, no matter what, it's tragic. But, I think sky marshalls have to base
fast decisions on outward appearances. The guy didn't stop, drop his
belongings and show his hands when they told him to. IIRC, he was running
into the building. What would you have done? Let him keep going toward a
crowd of people just to see if he actually had a bomb or maybe a weapon? Let
him detonate something on the walkway thing that's 20-50 feet from a wing
filled with jet fuel?



I'd like to know how anyone thought he could sneak a bomb on board a
US-flag airliner on a flight boarding in south Florida. Remember, the
guy had arrived earlier on a different flight from Quito, Ecuador.
Ecuador. As in heavy-duty carry on bag examination for drugs.

The last time I flew, every passenger and every passenger's luggage was
carefully scrutinized. Everyone's shoes were examined. Every piece of
carry-on luggage was viewed, and all bags were opened. My wife flies
around the country frequently, and she and everyone else on every flight
is subjected to the same sorts of searches.

So this fellow gets on a plane at a major US airport, one known to be
used by drug carriers, after going through security, and the sky
marshals think they hear him say he has a bomb, and as he runs off the
plane onto the jetway, they fire five shots at him? What would they do
if when confronted another guy pulls out his wallet? Will they shoot
him, too? That happened, you know. In NYC.

Well, I am sure there will be an investigation. I hope it is an honest one.

The marshall should have your post in his back pocket, Harold. Then when someone says, "I have a
bomb in here" and reaches into the bag, the marshall could take out your post and read it before
doing anything.

Sounds as good as any plan Kerry has come up with for solving the world's problems.

--
John H

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