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"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:42:53 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:
John H




http://www.jdpa.com/news/releases/pr...asp?ID=2005088
http://www.toyota-europe.com/about/n...dNews_2005.asp
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/print...20050520a3.htm

Go figure.


Edit links


I'm surprised at how few problems Jaguar had reported. After owning an
MGB-GT, I thought British cars were little more than maintenance hobbies.

A friend's got a 5 yr old Jag. Loves to drive it, but his wife's had to talk
him out of shooting it a few times. The latest bull****: The car's got
sensors to tell the driver when parking & headlights are burned out. The
sensors or the method of installation are defective (which confirms was any
real mechanic will tell you about Brit cars and electrical nightmares). If
it's the sensors that are bad, they're a couple hundred bucks each.
Ridiculous.

GM Forced to Lay Off Thousands
 

"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:17:02 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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"John H." wrote in message
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On 21 Nov 2005 13:53:41 -0800, wrote:


Skipper wrote:
Doug Kanter wrote:

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Sir Rodney Smithers wrote:

"Skipper" wrote:

Wonder if Krause drives A GM product or one o' them oriental
makes?

Krause purchased a Toyota Tundra. I am sure he is completely
responsible
for those 30,000 employees losing their job.

He should be ashamed of himself.

Then bottom line, he and his ilk *are* responsible for those lost
jobs.

Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags believe in
personal
responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming the
welfare
system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers want
their
cars?

It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in red
states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them leftists
living
in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle toys.
Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or
traditional American values. They weaken American at every turn.

--
Skipper

That's because righties are lemmings, lefties are not. A right winger
would buy American no matter what, because they're told to do so. A
left winger would use their brains, and know that some of the foreign
models are more dependable, and better equipped for less money.

And then bitch about the jobs going overseas.
--
John H

My Tacoma was built in California. IIRC, the engine block came from Japan,
but Toyota does that to protect my job. It guarantees that the vehicle
will
get me to work many more times than another brand.


That's super!
--
John H

Isn't it, though? :-) Hallelujah!

GM Forced to Lay Off Thousands
 

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:21:29 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


A friend's got a 5 yr old Jag. Loves to drive it, but his wife's had to
talk him out of shooting it a few times. The latest bull****: The car's
got sensors to tell the driver when parking & headlights are burned out.
The sensors or the method of installation are defective (which confirms
was any real mechanic will tell you about Brit cars and electrical
nightmares). If it's the sensors that are bad, they're a couple hundred
bucks each. Ridiculous.

You do know, Jaguar is owned by Ford.

http://www.ford.com/en/company/about/brands/jaguar.htm

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national
health
insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do, our
manufacturers would be more competitive.

You have a point. Last time I looked, health care costs were very close
to 15% GDP. The rest of the industrialized world is around 10% and
under.
That is a major anti-competitive cost.

I'll take the US's health care system over any other health system in the
world. I can get the services I want when I want them rather than having
them be rationed to me.


It some countries, they're rationed, but not in other countries. Can you
provide examples of both categories, using the names of the countries?

Interrogate your own family, I don't answer to you.

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On 23 Nov 2005 06:10:31 -0800, wrote:


John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:42:53 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:
John H




http://www.jdpa.com/news/releases/pr...asp?ID=2005088
http://www.toyota-europe.com/about/n...dNews_2005.asp
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/print...20050520a3.htm

Go figure.


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I'm surprised at how few problems Jaguar had reported. After owning an
MGB-GT, I thought British cars were little more than maintenance hobbies.

Jaguar is owned by FORD.

Kevin, did I say anything at all about the ownership of Jaguar?
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite

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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:42:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:28:56 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause

wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On 21 Nov 2005 13:53:41 -0800, wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Doug Kanter wrote:

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Sir Rodney Smithers wrote:
"Skipper" wrote:
Wonder if Krause drives A GM product or one o' them oriental
makes?
Krause purchased a Toyota Tundra. I am sure he is completely
responsible
for those 30,000 employees losing their job.
He should be ashamed of himself.
Then bottom line, he and his ilk *are* responsible for those lost
jobs.
Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags believe
in
personal
responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming the
welfare
system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers want
their
cars?
It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in red
states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them leftists
living
in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle
toys.
Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or
traditional American values. They weaken American at every turn.

--
Skipper
That's because righties are lemmings, lefties are not. A right
winger
would buy American no matter what, because they're told to do so. A
left winger would use their brains, and know that some of the
foreign
models are more dependable, and better equipped for less money.
And then bitch about the jobs going overseas.
--
John H

My Tacoma was built in California. IIRC, the engine block came from
Japan,
but Toyota does that to protect my job. It guarantees that the vehicle
will
get me to work many more times than another brand.





I recall reading several years ago that Toyota was planning to
manufacture some of its truck engines in the USA, too, but I haven't
followed that story, so I have no idea whether it took place.

Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national
health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do,
our manufacturers would be more competitive.

If we all gave the money to the government, we wouldn't be able to buy
the
products at the prices they'd want anyway.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite

I heard this on 700 WLW this morning. The figures are pretty close to
what
I recall as being reported:

Average number of hours to produce a car:

Toyota 21 hours
Ford 26 hours
Chrysler 34 hours
GM 38 hours

Add to that the health care coverage and pension giveaways and one wonders
why GM is struggling?


And how badly do the unions fight against robotics?
--
John H

NPR interview with a union official from (IIRC) Kentucky: He said one of
their biggest problems is a severe shortage of workers with basic reading
and math skills. Toss that around in your head and if you believe (as I do)
that parents are at least 50% of a kids educational success, you might start
wondering about whether kibbutzes could be a good idea. Maybe some kids
would be exposed to parents to give a damn, instead of the ones they've got
now.


Absolutely correct!
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite

GM Forced to Lay Off Thousands
 

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:52:59 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:28:56 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause

wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On 21 Nov 2005 13:53:41 -0800, wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Doug Kanter wrote:

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Sir Rodney Smithers wrote:
"Skipper" wrote:
Wonder if Krause drives A GM product or one o' them oriental
makes?
Krause purchased a Toyota Tundra. I am sure he is completely
responsible
for those 30,000 employees losing their job.
He should be ashamed of himself.
Then bottom line, he and his ilk *are* responsible for those lost
jobs.
Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags believe
in
personal
responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming the
welfare
system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers want
their
cars?
It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in red
states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them leftists
living
in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle
toys.
Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or
traditional American values. They weaken American at every turn.

--
Skipper
That's because righties are lemmings, lefties are not. A right
winger
would buy American no matter what, because they're told to do so. A
left winger would use their brains, and know that some of the
foreign
models are more dependable, and better equipped for less money.
And then bitch about the jobs going overseas.
--
John H
My Tacoma was built in California. IIRC, the engine block came from
Japan,
but Toyota does that to protect my job. It guarantees that the vehicle
will
get me to work many more times than another brand.




I recall reading several years ago that Toyota was planning to
manufacture some of its truck engines in the USA, too, but I haven't
followed that story, so I have no idea whether it took place.

Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national
health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do,
our manufacturers would be more competitive.
If we all gave the money to the government, we wouldn't be able to buy
the
products at the prices they'd want anyway.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite
I heard this on 700 WLW this morning. The figures are pretty close to
what
I recall as being reported:

Average number of hours to produce a car:

Toyota 21 hours
Ford 26 hours
Chrysler 34 hours
GM 38 hours

Add to that the health care coverage and pension giveaways and one wonders
why GM is struggling?

And how badly do the unions fight against robotics?
--
John H

NPR interview with a union official from (IIRC) Kentucky: He said one of
their biggest problems is a severe shortage of workers with basic reading
and math skills. Toss that around in your head and if you believe (as I do)
that parents are at least 50% of a kids educational success, you might start
wondering about whether kibbutzes could be a good idea. Maybe some kids
would be exposed to parents to give a damn, instead of the ones they've got
now.




As usual, Herring has it wrong. While Japanese companies have embraced
technology and modernization, and train their workers for new jobs, US
auto companies have long been more interested in trying to pump up
short term results, and they don't automate at nearly the same rate as
the overseas companies.

Whatever is wrong with US automakers is a result of bad management.

Did my comment about robotics go right over your head, Harry? Do you think
management has fought robotics on our assembly lines?
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite

GM Forced to Lay Off Thousands
 

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:21:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:42:53 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:
John H




http://www.jdpa.com/news/releases/pr...asp?ID=2005088
http://www.toyota-europe.com/about/n...dNews_2005.asp
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/print...20050520a3.htm

Go figure.


Edit links


I'm surprised at how few problems Jaguar had reported. After owning an
MGB-GT, I thought British cars were little more than maintenance hobbies.

A friend's got a 5 yr old Jag. Loves to drive it, but his wife's had to talk
him out of shooting it a few times. The latest bull****: The car's got
sensors to tell the driver when parking & headlights are burned out. The
sensors or the method of installation are defective (which confirms was any
real mechanic will tell you about Brit cars and electrical nightmares). If
it's the sensors that are bad, they're a couple hundred bucks each.
Ridiculous.


Be careful, Kevin will call you names for referring to Jaguars and Brit
cars in the same paragraph!
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite

GM Forced to Lay Off Thousands
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:52:59 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:28:56 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause

wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On 21 Nov 2005 13:53:41 -0800, wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Doug Kanter wrote:

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Sir Rodney Smithers wrote:
"Skipper" wrote:
Wonder if Krause drives A GM product or one o' them
oriental
makes?
Krause purchased a Toyota Tundra. I am sure he is
completely
responsible
for those 30,000 employees losing their job.
He should be ashamed of himself.
Then bottom line, he and his ilk *are* responsible for those
lost
jobs.
Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags
believe in
personal
responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming
the
welfare
system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers
want
their
cars?
It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in
red
states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them
leftists
living
in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle
toys.
Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or
traditional American values. They weaken American at every
turn.

--
Skipper
That's because righties are lemmings, lefties are not. A right
winger
would buy American no matter what, because they're told to do
so. A
left winger would use their brains, and know that some of the
foreign
models are more dependable, and better equipped for less money.
And then bitch about the jobs going overseas.
--
John H
My Tacoma was built in California. IIRC, the engine block came
from
Japan,
but Toyota does that to protect my job. It guarantees that the
vehicle
will
get me to work many more times than another brand.



I recall reading several years ago that Toyota was planning to
manufacture some of its truck engines in the USA, too, but I
haven't
followed that story, so I have no idea whether it took place.

Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national
health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations
do,
our manufacturers would be more competitive.
If we all gave the money to the government, we wouldn't be able to
buy the
products at the prices they'd want anyway.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite
I heard this on 700 WLW this morning. The figures are pretty close
to what
I recall as being reported:

Average number of hours to produce a car:

Toyota 21 hours
Ford 26 hours
Chrysler 34 hours
GM 38 hours

Add to that the health care coverage and pension giveaways and one
wonders
why GM is struggling?

And how badly do the unions fight against robotics?
--
John H
NPR interview with a union official from (IIRC) Kentucky: He said one
of their biggest problems is a severe shortage of workers with basic
reading and math skills. Toss that around in your head and if you
believe (as I do) that parents are at least 50% of a kids educational
success, you might start wondering about whether kibbutzes could be a
good idea. Maybe some kids would be exposed to parents to give a damn,
instead of the ones they've got now.


As usual, Herring has it wrong. While Japanese companies have embraced
technology and modernization, and train their workers for new jobs, US
auto companies have long been more interested in trying to pump up short
term results, and they don't automate at nearly the same rate as the
overseas companies.

Whatever is wrong with US automakers is a result of bad management.

Did my comment about robotics go right over your head, Harry? Do you
think
management has fought robotics on our assembly lines?


I give your comments all the attention they deserve, John.

--


TRANSLATION: Damn it John, you got me again!

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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:40:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:52:59 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:28:56 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause

wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On 21 Nov 2005 13:53:41 -0800, wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Doug Kanter wrote:

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Sir Rodney Smithers wrote:
"Skipper" wrote:
Wonder if Krause drives A GM product or one o' them oriental
makes?
Krause purchased a Toyota Tundra. I am sure he is completely
responsible
for those 30,000 employees losing their job.
He should be ashamed of himself.
Then bottom line, he and his ilk *are* responsible for those lost
jobs.
Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags believe
in
personal
responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming the
welfare
system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers want
their
cars?
It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in red
states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them leftists
living
in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle
toys.
Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or
traditional American values. They weaken American at every turn.

--
Skipper
That's because righties are lemmings, lefties are not. A right
winger
would buy American no matter what, because they're told to do so. A
left winger would use their brains, and know that some of the
foreign
models are more dependable, and better equipped for less money.
And then bitch about the jobs going overseas.
--
John H
My Tacoma was built in California. IIRC, the engine block came from
Japan,
but Toyota does that to protect my job. It guarantees that the vehicle
will
get me to work many more times than another brand.



I recall reading several years ago that Toyota was planning to
manufacture some of its truck engines in the USA, too, but I haven't
followed that story, so I have no idea whether it took place.

Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national
health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do,
our manufacturers would be more competitive.
If we all gave the money to the government, we wouldn't be able to buy
the
products at the prices they'd want anyway.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite
I heard this on 700 WLW this morning. The figures are pretty close to
what
I recall as being reported:

Average number of hours to produce a car:

Toyota 21 hours
Ford 26 hours
Chrysler 34 hours
GM 38 hours

Add to that the health care coverage and pension giveaways and one wonders
why GM is struggling?

And how badly do the unions fight against robotics?
--
John H
NPR interview with a union official from (IIRC) Kentucky: He said one of
their biggest problems is a severe shortage of workers with basic reading
and math skills. Toss that around in your head and if you believe (as I do)
that parents are at least 50% of a kids educational success, you might start
wondering about whether kibbutzes could be a good idea. Maybe some kids
would be exposed to parents to give a damn, instead of the ones they've got
now.



As usual, Herring has it wrong. While Japanese companies have embraced
technology and modernization, and train their workers for new jobs, US
auto companies have long been more interested in trying to pump up
short term results, and they don't automate at nearly the same rate as
the overseas companies.

Whatever is wrong with US automakers is a result of bad management.

Did my comment about robotics go right over your head, Harry? Do you think
management has fought robotics on our assembly lines?


I give your comments all the attention they deserve, John.

Your responses have been showing your abilities, Harry.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite