"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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Just to make sure I'm not accused of misquoting you, you are saying that
the Turks (whose troops were not all Muslim, BTW... look up
"Janissaries") beseiging Vienna... and failing... equals "burning down
half of Europe"?

You may want to check a map.

I don't need to check a map of a place that I lived at for a long time.
They did practice Islam. And most of Europe was involved. Your American
education (or lack of) is showing.


Most of Europe? France, Germany, Poland, Italy, etc etc.... ???


The Mohammedan's were knocking on the door to Paris when the Crusades
started. And Paris is probably as far North as Don White's home.

Bill McKee wrote:
The Mohammedan's were knocking on the door to Paris when the Crusades
started.

Which "Mohammedan's"? Which Crusades?

I didn't realize there were any Crusades in the 1600s.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
The Mohammedan's were knocking on the door to Paris when the Crusades
started.

Which "Mohammedan's"? Which Crusades?

I didn't realize there were any Crusades in the 1600s.

DSK


Muslim's were also known as "Mohammedan's" until about 1950. And when did
the crusades start? the first "Crusade" was in the 1050's. battles related
to Crusades, went all the way to the 1500's (Northern Crusades).

Bill McKee wrote:
Muslim's were also known as "Mohammedan's" until about 1950.

Actually, they're still known as "Mohammedans." How do you think I knew
who you were talking about? However, calling Muslim (or Moslem) a
'Mohammedan' is like calling a Christian a "Jesusian."

But hey, people have killed each other over the proper way to spell
YHWH. I shouldn't have quibbled.


... And when did
the crusades start? the first "Crusade" was in the 1050's.

Yep. More than 300 years later. So, your saying that Mohammedans were
knocking on the door of Paris at the start of the Crusades is like
saying that Queen Anne's failure to produce an heir to the throne
http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page102.asp

was one everybody's mind when the U.S. decided to invade Iraq.


... battles related
to Crusades, went all the way to the 1500's (Northern Crusades).


hmm... You could push it further than that if you really like stretching
the truth (and I want to encourage you in this, it's a step up from
bald-faced lying). Sure there were a lot of thugs with armor & swords
who liked to pretend they were Crusaders, including the Knights of Malta
(who to be sure, did fight Muslims when they had to, and did it
valiantly) up into the 1700s. Pretending to be a Crusader was a good
excuse for whacking people you didn't like, whether they were Muslim or
not, or if you had any intention of liberating Jerusalem or not.

I guess some things never change.

DSK

Bill McKee wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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Just to make sure I'm not accused of misquoting you, you are saying that
the Turks (whose troops were not all Muslim, BTW... look up
"Janissaries") beseiging Vienna... and failing... equals "burning down
half of Europe"?

You may want to check a map.

I don't need to check a map of a place that I lived at for a long time.
They did practice Islam. And most of Europe was involved. Your American
education (or lack of) is showing.


Most of Europe? France, Germany, Poland, Italy, etc etc.... ???



The Mohammedan's were knocking on the door to Paris when the Crusades
started. And Paris is probably as far North as Don White's home.


I'm probably equivalent to the north coast of Spain....or maybe Yaquina
Head in Oregon if I went left.