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Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic
socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


Actually Chuck may be right. France is an economic disaster. Almost all
the public union strikes are over the government trying to add a couple
of years more working time before the people retire. In something like
10-15 years, there will be only 2 workers for every retired worker.
Think that will be sustainable? France just happens to be the worst, but
lots of European countries are in the same boat. Naples has a 37%
unemployment. Most likely the reason it is one of the most dangerous
cities in Italy (besides the taxi drivers).


Yep, France's economy is in the crapper and social spending is out of
control.

But those facts are not factors of the riots. Otherwise the rioters would
not be made up only of young muslim men.


They are a part of the riots. The 40% unemployment in their society goes a
long way towards dissatisfaction with life. This also makes a verdant
garden for Mullahs to recruit in. Plus the families never assimilated into
French life. The parents thought they would return to the home countries.
Part of this is France reaping the rewards of being an asshole colonial
ruler. England at least trained and educated the ruled, but France did not
educate females and educated the makes to the 6th grade level. So they
could read the instructions for work for their masters. Had a coworker who
grew up under the French in Algeria. His description of life for the
Algerians was not nice. But after the Algerian's finally tossed the French,
their was a power vacuum and the different sect's of Islam are
maiming/killing the other sects, so the underdogs flee to France, as that is
OK under the old colonial rules. But, no jobs for the immigrants or only
menial jobs makes for a nasty neighborhood. France's socialized society has
not created enough new jobs to satisfy the needs of these people, so they
are reaping the fruits of their garden. Not enough dole money to give them
a decent life, and no way to make enough money. And Imam's that want a
Islamic Europe, find good recruiting ground.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:45:44 -0500, P Fritz wrote:


Actually it is to some degree.....economics plays a major role in
it.......and the fact that muslims tend to not assimilate into the
culture
where they live means they end up religated to the lower end of the
economic scale.

Huh? Islam is a religion. If a Muslim remains true to his faith, are
you
saying he doesn't assimilate? How about a Baptist?


Keep in mind this is Fritz. As in one half of the Dumb and Dumberer team,
Fritz and Robbins.

And neither sounds as dumb as you with that statement. Assimilating into
the French culture, does not mean giving up your religion. Lots of Korean's
here in California go to their churches and also do very well as capitalist
shopkeepers. They speak the language, and understand the mores.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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They are a part of the riots. The 40% unemployment in their society goes
a long way towards dissatisfaction with life. This also makes a verdant
garden for Mullahs to recruit in.

It's no secret that Islamic fanaticism feeds on the poor and destitute. Why
do you think places like Louis Farrakhan/Nation of Islam's Mosque Maryam is
on Stoney Island Avenue in Chicago...which is one of Chicago's worst areas?


It's not poverty that is causing the riots. It's scum-sucking opportunistic
Clerics, or Mullahs, or Ministers( or whatever they call themselves) who use
Western culture in general (and the white man specifically) as the scapegoat
for all that ails the downtrodden. The levees failed? Well, it's because
the white man blew 'em up to drown the blacks!

It's easy to say that if you get rid of poverty, you get rid of the breeding
grounds for the fanatacism. That may be true to some extent, but why isn't
a stronger effort made to round up the POS self-declared holy men who prey
on the poor? And then shoot those *******s in the f-in head.


Anybody who uses class warfare to bring about violent uprisings is unfit to
live among the civil world. It's the lowest form of "dirty pool"...and
shows more contempt for the people they are exploiting, than the people or
government that they are turning them against.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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It's no secret that Islamic fanaticism feeds on the poor and destitute.

Sounds like another group of people I know.

"Sammy" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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It's no secret that Islamic fanaticism feeds on the poor and destitute.

Sounds like another group of people I know.

Democrats?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Bull****. You have no idea what you're talking about.


" there have been examples...of attackers acting under their direction, so
that Muslim-owned businesses, a halal butcher's shop and a kebab joint, for
example, are spared, while a bank branch and symbols of another France are
targeted."


"
The gravest fear for French ministers is that the trouble of the past 10
days has been orchestrated by Islamists bent on exploiting the grievances of
impressionable youths."


http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/o...ixopinion.html

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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They are a part of the riots. The 40% unemployment in their society goes
a long way towards dissatisfaction with life. This also makes a verdant
garden for Mullahs to recruit in.

It's no secret that Islamic fanaticism feeds on the poor and destitute.
Why do you think places like Louis Farrakhan/Nation of Islam's Mosque
Maryam is on Stoney Island Avenue in Chicago...which is one of Chicago's
worst areas?


It's not poverty that is causing the riots. It's scum-sucking
opportunistic Clerics, or Mullahs, or Ministers( or whatever they call
themselves) who use Western culture in general (and the white man
specifically) as the scapegoat for all that ails the downtrodden. The
levees failed? Well, it's because the white man blew 'em up to drown the
blacks!

It's easy to say that if you get rid of poverty, you get rid of the
breeding grounds for the fanatacism. That may be true to some extent, but
why isn't a stronger effort made to round up the POS self-declared holy
men who prey on the poor? And then shoot those *******s in the f-in head.


Anybody who uses class warfare to bring about violent uprisings is unfit
to live among the civil world. It's the lowest form of "dirty pool"...and
shows more contempt for the people they are exploiting, than the people or
government that they are turning them against.



It is the perception that life looks like it is not going to get better, you
are going to be stuck in Poverty for ever, and your children also will be
stuck. There are no jobs and no training for jobs and the locals are
discriminating against you. It is the perception. Instead of going to
school and starting their own businesses, Even small groceries, etc.

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 04:54:48 +0000, NOYB wrote:


It's easy to say that if you get rid of poverty, you get rid of the
breeding grounds for the fanatacism. That may be true to some extent, but
why isn't a stronger effort made to round up the POS self-declared holy
men who prey on the poor? And then shoot those *******s in the f-in head.

Geez, you are really getting out there. If you really believe this, you
need a reality check.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Bull****. You have no idea what you're talking about.


" there have been examples...of attackers acting under their direction, so
that Muslim-owned businesses, a halal butcher's shop and a kebab joint,
for example, are spared, while a bank branch and symbols of another France
are targeted."


"
The gravest fear for French ministers is that the trouble of the past 10
days has been orchestrated by Islamists bent on exploiting the grievances
of impressionable youths."


http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/o...ixopinion.html

In the 1960s, the FBI was watching who was "orchestrating" race riots in our
cities, calling them communists blah blah blah. It was about jobs, not
religion, although clergymen were sometimes motivating people. For people
who are tight with their churches, who else would they look to for
leadership? Oprah?

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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They are a part of the riots. The 40% unemployment in their society goes
a long way towards dissatisfaction with life. This also makes a verdant
garden for Mullahs to recruit in.

It's no secret that Islamic fanaticism feeds on the poor and destitute.
Why do you think places like Louis Farrakhan/Nation of Islam's Mosque
Maryam is on Stoney Island Avenue in Chicago...which is one of Chicago's
worst areas?

All political movements that you don't like feed on the poor and the
destitute. The birth of labor unions thrived on poverty. The Black Panthers
thrived on poverty. The rise of communism was the same.