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Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic
socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


Actually Chuck may be right. France is an economic disaster. Almost all
the public union strikes are over the government trying to add a couple
of years more working time before the people retire. In something like
10-15 years, there will be only 2 workers for every retired worker.
Think that will be sustainable? France just happens to be the worst, but
lots of European countries are in the same boat. Naples has a 37%
unemployment. Most likely the reason it is one of the most dangerous
cities in Italy (besides the taxi drivers).


Yep, France's economy is in the crapper and social spending is out of
control.

But those facts are not factors of the riots. Otherwise the rioters would
not be made up only of young muslim men.


Take a look at photos of riots in the Middle East. Women don't often
participate in them. Of course, you knew that, you know why, but you just
forgot.


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Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic
socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


Actually Chuck may be right. France is an economic disaster. Almost all
the public union strikes are over the government trying to add a couple
of years more working time before the people retire. In something like
10-15 years, there will be only 2 workers for every retired worker.
Think that will be sustainable? France just happens to be the worst, but
lots of European countries are in the same boat. Naples has a 37%
unemployment. Most likely the reason it is one of the most dangerous
cities in Italy (besides the taxi drivers).


Yep, France's economy is in the crapper and social spending is out of
control.

But those facts are not factors of the riots. Otherwise the rioters would
not be made up only of young muslim men.


They are a part of the riots. The 40% unemployment in their society goes a
long way towards dissatisfaction with life. This also makes a verdant
garden for Mullahs to recruit in. Plus the families never assimilated into
French life. The parents thought they would return to the home countries.
Part of this is France reaping the rewards of being an asshole colonial
ruler. England at least trained and educated the ruled, but France did not
educate females and educated the makes to the 6th grade level. So they
could read the instructions for work for their masters. Had a coworker who
grew up under the French in Algeria. His description of life for the
Algerians was not nice. But after the Algerian's finally tossed the French,
their was a power vacuum and the different sect's of Islam are
maiming/killing the other sects, so the underdogs flee to France, as that is
OK under the old colonial rules. But, no jobs for the immigrants or only
menial jobs makes for a nasty neighborhood. France's socialized society has
not created enough new jobs to satisfy the needs of these people, so they
are reaping the fruits of their garden. Not enough dole money to give them
a decent life, and no way to make enough money. And Imam's that want a
Islamic Europe, find good recruiting ground.


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Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?



Please, do tell, exactly WHAT made you think that "social unrest was
impossible under democratic socialism"?

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