Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.

wrote:

Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?

Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government.

One wonders what certain unscrupulous French used car salesmen think
while watching thousands of cars burn in the street.

--
Skipper

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:29:58 -0600, Skipper wrote:

wrote:

Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?

Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government.

One wonders what certain unscrupulous French used car salesmen think
while watching thousands of cars burn in the street.

I thought you'd stopped that!
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

Hypocrital Liberal

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Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Dan J.S. wrote:
It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!


???

Could you explain when & where this happened, please?


You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


Possibly, but I certainly don't have any idea what you are talking about.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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Dan J.S. wrote:
It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!


???

Could you explain when & where this happened, please?


His greatest success came on September 12, 1683 as victor at the Battle of
Vienna, with Polish, Austrian and German troops, once more against the Turks
under Kara Mustafa. The pope and other foreign dignitaries then hailed
Sobieski as the "Savior of Vienna and Western European civilization." In a
letter to his wife he wrote, ...All the common people kissed my hands, my
feet, my clothes; others only touched me, saying: Ach, let us kiss so
valiant a hand!".



Turning point of when the Turks backed off.

Just to make sure I'm not accused of misquoting you, you are saying that
the Turks (whose troops were not all Muslim, BTW... look up
"Janissaries") beseiging Vienna... and failing... equals "burning down
half of Europe"?

You may want to check a map.

And as Doug Kanter suggested, you may want to take a gander at some
Spanish history.

DSK


Dan J.S. wrote:
His greatest success came on September 12, 1683 as victor at the Battle of
Vienna, with Polish, Austrian and German troops, once more against the Turks
under Kara Mustafa. The pope and other foreign dignitaries then hailed
Sobieski as the "Savior of Vienna and Western European civilization." In a
letter to his wife he wrote, ...All the common people kissed my hands, my
feet, my clothes; others only touched me, saying: Ach, let us kiss so
valiant a hand!".



Turning point of when the Turks backed off.

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Just to make sure I'm not accused of misquoting you, you are saying that
the Turks (whose troops were not all Muslim, BTW... look up "Janissaries")
beseiging Vienna... and failing... equals "burning down half of Europe"?

You may want to check a map.

I don't need to check a map of a place that I lived at for a long time. They
did practice Islam. And most of Europe was involved. Your American education
(or lack of) is showing.

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Just to make sure I'm not accused of misquoting you, you are saying that
the Turks (whose troops were not all Muslim, BTW... look up
"Janissaries") beseiging Vienna... and failing... equals "burning down
half of Europe"?

You may want to check a map.

I don't need to check a map of a place that I lived at for a long time.
They did practice Islam. And most of Europe was involved. Your American
education (or lack of) is showing.


Most of Europe? France, Germany, Poland, Italy, etc etc.... ???

Just to make sure I'm not accused of misquoting you, you are saying that
the Turks (whose troops were not all Muslim, BTW... look up "Janissaries")
beseiging Vienna... and failing... equals "burning down half of Europe"?

You may want to check a map.


Dan J.S. wrote:
I don't need to check a map of a place that I lived at for a long time.

Oh, I get it... you've actually been there, so that makes it much more
important and now constitutes "half of Europe."

Oddly enough, I've been there too. Funny how it never seemed like "half
of Europe" to me.

... They
did practice Islam.

Who? The Turks? Sure. The Janissaries? Some converted to Islam, but many
did not.

... And most of Europe was involved.

Let's see, Poland & Austria and some small principalities in what is now
Germany... that's "most" of Europe?


... Your American education
(or lack of) is showing.

Yeah, that must be it.

Did you ask a Turk if he considers himself an Arab yet? And I hate to
ask you again to do something you've already claimed you don't need to
do, but look at a map of Europe and outline all the area which the
Ottomans occupied... or marched over. It's a large area, but it's not
half and certainly a long darn way from "most" of Europe.

DSK