"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Jeff Rigby wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Jeff Rigby wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
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Perhaps, due to the way the present America was taken by force from
the original inhabitants, war is in the cultural heritage of the us
somewhat seen as a legitimate and effective means to an end, much
more
than in europe.
That's an interesting idea, maybe true.


Jeff Rigby wrote:
There was a vacumn here as 80% of the origional indians in the
eastern and south easteren continental US were killed by dieases
brought in by spanish explorers.
???

Do you actually believe this stuff, or do you pick it up on some
secret "wishful thinking" history website for fascist morons?

I suggest reading a basic U.S. history text... 5th grade is probably
about right.

DSK
Maybe you should read those books again. You have a selective memory
as indeed these facts were taught in my history books in Florida in the
Fifth grade. The Indians must have been killed by violence because the
white man is evil and the US government practices genocide. That is
your world view..... The truth is man is NOT inherently evil just
stupid.

See:
http://www.uic.edu/classes/osci/osci...%20World. htm
18 million Indians die as a result of the first wave of diseases
brought to the new world by the Spanish

See: http://www.thefurtrapper.com/indian_smallpox.htm Rocky mountain
Indians decimated by white man diseases

See: http://www.kporterfield.com/aicttw/a...s/disease.html For a
timeline of diseases spread thru the continental US by European
explorers

To be historically accurate Europeans are responsible for the deaths of
most of the Indians killed in the Continental United States.

So, you're claiming the diseases of your ancestors killed the majority
of native Americans, and then your ancestors robbed, pillaged and raped
most of the rest?

Nope I'm claiming based on FACTS posted that European diseases decimated
the Indian population. The available lands were then settled by
Europeans and when the settlers started encroaching on Indian lands (some
100 years after the start of immigration to the continental US) the
Indians attacked the settlers. Being the stupid humans we are we didn't
deal with them. We militarily defeated them pushed them into smaller and
smaller areas until they attacked us again and the process started all
over again.

Indians were the ones that "robbed, pillaged and raped" only because
other than lands they had nothing we wanted to rob. The Indians were
human too and lived up to our comman heritage.

There is enough blame to go around.

There were three tribes (fuzzy on this) that integrated with the European
settlers (partly because there weren't enough of them left). They did
this because they were constantly being attacked by those tribes to the
west that were more aggressive and violent and they had more in common
with us than the Indian tribes to the west. Several of our constitutions
founding philosophies were taken from the constitution of those Indian
tribes ( as well of course from English law).


Oh, I get it now. First your ancestors infected the native Americans, then
your ancestors raped, pillaged and looted the native American survivors
while stealing their land, and part of it was the fault of the native
Americans because some of them fought back.

What's a good term for this? Manifest Destiny?

Harry, I'm part Indian. My grandmother was 1/2 American Indian. My Uncle
(no blood relation) is 1/2 American Indian. So the blame line is a little
blurred in my family tree. I prefer to take the problem tribe by tribe and
incident by incident. Some were the white mans fault, some the Indians.
ENOUGH BLAME TO GO AROUND!!!!!!!

Most Americans, at least the ones whose ancestors have been here for several
hundred years have Indian blood in them. There are some exceptions due to
geology or religion (Jewish for example).

Life is not as simple as you seem to believe. Harry, just as with life,
history is gray not black and white.