On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:22:17 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Len wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:45:21 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

May the children of all the warmongers here suffer the same horrific fate.

Got a cold chill reading this Harry.
But I agree 100% with what you mean.

Regards, Len.


It is immoral to sit safe in your house while you urge that the sons and
daughters of other families be sent off to foreign lands to fight and
die in a war based on a president's incompetency, stupidity, and deceit.

Harry, are you really one who should be talking of sitting safely in your house
while others are being sent to foreign lands to fight and die?

I think not.

For a non-participant, you are quick with the moral judgements.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

Hypocrital Liberal

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:22:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Len wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:45:21 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

May the children of all the warmongers here suffer the same horrific
fate.

Got a cold chill reading this Harry.
But I agree 100% with what you mean.

Regards, Len.


It is immoral to sit safe in your house while you urge that the sons and
daughters of other families be sent off to foreign lands to fight and
die in a war based on a president's incompetency, stupidity, and deceit.

Harry, are you really one who should be talking of sitting safely in your
house
while others are being sent to foreign lands to fight and die?

I think not.

For a non-participant, you are quick with the moral judgements.
--
John H

I disagree, John. I think that if an elected official votes in favor of the
war, whether to signify agreement or to provide funding, that person's kids
should be the first to enlist. They should have 7 days to do this, or be
arrested. People who voted for a candidate who declared the war - same
thing. Off with their children, or the voters themselves, if they're
otherwise eligible for service (age & health). A little over half the
country voted for Nookular Boy. Take away those who are too old to serve or
have no kids and I'd imagine we could still come up with what.....maybe
10-20 million new soldiers? End of recruiting problem.

If there's a good reason not to think this way, I haven't heard it yet.

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
P Fritz wrote:

Harry is upset his Fitzmas party was such a bust

He just wishes one could catch a Jew like this today:

http://tinyurl.com/ctlzp

--
Skipper

Holy Crap, Skipper!

When was that picture taken, 1922?

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"Skipper" wrote in message

P Fritz wrote:

Harry is upset his Fitzmas party was such a bust

He just wishes one could catch a Jew like this today:

http://tinyurl.com/ctlzp

Holy Crap, Skipper!

When was that picture taken, 1922?

The big fat ones are not that bright. Believe most of them migrated to
the Floriduh burbs some time ago. Ever had any dealings with them?

--
Skipper

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
P Fritz wrote:

Harry is upset his Fitzmas party was such a bust

He just wishes one could catch a Jew like this today:

http://tinyurl.com/ctlzp

--
Skipper

Holy Crap, Skipper!

When was that picture taken, 1922?

Eisboch


You may be missing something very important here. Pay close attention.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
P Fritz wrote:

Harry is upset his Fitzmas party was such a bust

He just wishes one could catch a Jew like this today:

http://tinyurl.com/ctlzp

--
Skipper

Holy Crap, Skipper!

When was that picture taken, 1922?

Eisboch


You may be missing something very important here. Pay close attention.


But I thought it was a pic of Skipper and Harry back in the better days of
rec.boats.

Eisboch

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:35:45 +0100, Len wrote:

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:22:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

It is immoral to sit safe in your house while you urge that the sons and
daughters of other families be sent off to foreign lands to fight and
die in a war based on a president's incompetency, stupidity, and deceit.

Perhaps, due to the way the present America was taken by force from
the original inhabitants, war is in the cultural heritage of the us
somewhat seen as a legitimate and effective means to an end, much more
than in europe. Our cultural heritage is older, with much more
experience in the field of losing and of what happens if a country is
defeated but also humiliated (ww1, Germany). All european countries
have had their serious defeats and the history books tell all about
it. In europe I grew up (10 years after ww2) with a notion of "war is
hell. It must be prevented as much as possible".

But I respect that sometimes not acting is even worse than acting.
When the acting is based on lies, all legitemacy is lost up front.
Retreat is another matter, you will have to take into account what
situation will arise after that. After all you're responsible as a
world-leading nation that has started the war unilaterally.

Regards, Len.

Your comment, "When the acting is based on lies..." let's us all know where
you're coming from.

Regards,
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

Hypocrital Liberal

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:13:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:22:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Len wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:45:21 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

May the children of all the warmongers here suffer the same horrific
fate.

Got a cold chill reading this Harry.
But I agree 100% with what you mean.

Regards, Len.


It is immoral to sit safe in your house while you urge that the sons and
daughters of other families be sent off to foreign lands to fight and
die in a war based on a president's incompetency, stupidity, and deceit.

Harry, are you really one who should be talking of sitting safely in your
house
while others are being sent to foreign lands to fight and die?

I think not.

For a non-participant, you are quick with the moral judgements.
--
John H

I disagree, John. I think that if an elected official votes in favor of the
war, whether to signify agreement or to provide funding, that person's kids
should be the first to enlist. They should have 7 days to do this, or be
arrested. People who voted for a candidate who declared the war - same
thing. Off with their children, or the voters themselves, if they're
otherwise eligible for service (age & health). A little over half the
country voted for Nookular Boy. Take away those who are too old to serve or
have no kids and I'd imagine we could still come up with what.....maybe
10-20 million new soldiers? End of recruiting problem.

If there's a good reason not to think this way, I haven't heard it yet.


That post displays one of the reasons the Democrats lost the last election.

Would your proposal have worked for WW II?
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

Hypocrital Liberal

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:13:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:22:17 -0500, Harry Krause

wrote:

Len wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:45:21 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

May the children of all the warmongers here suffer the same horrific
fate.

Got a cold chill reading this Harry.
But I agree 100% with what you mean.

Regards, Len.


It is immoral to sit safe in your house while you urge that the sons and
daughters of other families be sent off to foreign lands to fight and
die in a war based on a president's incompetency, stupidity, and deceit.

Harry, are you really one who should be talking of sitting safely in
your
house
while others are being sent to foreign lands to fight and die?

I think not.

For a non-participant, you are quick with the moral judgements.
--
John H

I disagree, John. I think that if an elected official votes in favor of
the
war, whether to signify agreement or to provide funding, that person's
kids
should be the first to enlist. They should have 7 days to do this, or be
arrested. People who voted for a candidate who declared the war - same
thing. Off with their children, or the voters themselves, if they're
otherwise eligible for service (age & health). A little over half the
country voted for Nookular Boy. Take away those who are too old to serve
or
have no kids and I'd imagine we could still come up with what.....maybe
10-20 million new soldiers? End of recruiting problem.

If there's a good reason not to think this way, I haven't heard it yet.


That post displays one of the reasons the Democrats lost the last
election.

Would your proposal have worked for WW II?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but two countries declared war on us, and we knew
which countries they were. Right?

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:00:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:13:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:22:17 -0500, Harry Krause

wrote:

Len wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:45:21 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

May the children of all the warmongers here suffer the same horrific
fate.

Got a cold chill reading this Harry.
But I agree 100% with what you mean.

Regards, Len.


It is immoral to sit safe in your house while you urge that the sons and
daughters of other families be sent off to foreign lands to fight and
die in a war based on a president's incompetency, stupidity, and deceit.

Harry, are you really one who should be talking of sitting safely in
your
house
while others are being sent to foreign lands to fight and die?

I think not.

For a non-participant, you are quick with the moral judgements.
--
John H

I disagree, John. I think that if an elected official votes in favor of
the
war, whether to signify agreement or to provide funding, that person's
kids
should be the first to enlist. They should have 7 days to do this, or be
arrested. People who voted for a candidate who declared the war - same
thing. Off with their children, or the voters themselves, if they're
otherwise eligible for service (age & health). A little over half the
country voted for Nookular Boy. Take away those who are too old to serve
or
have no kids and I'd imagine we could still come up with what.....maybe
10-20 million new soldiers? End of recruiting problem.

If there's a good reason not to think this way, I haven't heard it yet.


That post displays one of the reasons the Democrats lost the last
election.

Would your proposal have worked for WW II?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but two countries declared war on us, and we knew
which countries they were. Right?


Again, you failed to answer a simple question.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

Hypocrital Liberal