"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:41:55 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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By contrast, spend some time looking over a Toyota, imagining how you'd
access various things for repair. They're brilliantly thought out.

Exactly - because you have to fix them all the time.

That's not engineering brilliance - that's common sense. :)

NOTE: For the record, we once owned a Volvo that was so over
engineered, to change the warning/signal flasher, you had to remove
the dashboard to get to it.

And, wasn't it one of the Firebirds or Camaros that required loosening an
engine mount and lifting the motor a few inches to access at least one of
the spark plugs? Back in the late 1970s, IIRC.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:23:35 -0500, "Dan J.S." wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:12:21 -0500, "Dan J.S." wrote:


"Jack Goff" wrote in message
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:12:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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3,500 lbs or there abouts.

Damn....

What - that's not a lot.

It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's
probably
a
conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year
investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford....


I'm not a big GM fan, but my current yard truck is an '89 Chevy 1500.
Original 350 motor, tranny, rear end. Interior and body all original.
Everything works,it drives and rides great, and it still looks good.
At 16 years old, it's worth more than that Toy.

Besides, it'll snatch that puny-assed Toyota all over the place.
3500# towing limit? That's not a towing limit... it's a warning... to
not try to tow anything!

Give it up dude. Any Toyota truck will put ANY GM or Ford truck to
shame.

Really...

And just what do you base that little piece of data on?

For one, try doing this to a GM or Ford... Toyotas are almost impossible
to
kill

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/prog28/toyota.shtml

Please - dropping an empty aluminum box on a roll bar qualifies it as
tough?

Get a life.

Did you watch the video? The hilux is incredible.

Why do you think GM and Ford has just posted 50% + decline in their trucks
and SUVs... where Toyota is actually up in parts of this sector... People
know quality, and I think Detroit finally got it that making junk is not
something people are willing to pay for...

Knowing that 2-3 grand from each vehicle is made to pay for some employee
retirement plan is enough for me to say screw that! I would rather if that
2-3 grand was spent in making the truck not fall apart after 5 years.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:41:55 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

By contrast, spend some time looking over a Toyota, imagining how you'd
access various things for repair. They're brilliantly thought out.

Exactly - because you have to fix them all the time.

That's not engineering brilliance - that's common sense. :)

NOTE: For the record, we once owned a Volvo that was so over
engineered, to change the warning/signal flasher, you had to remove
the dashboard to get to it.

Fix them all the time??

you have got to be kidding me right... now I know you are just joking
around... talk to ANYONE with a Toyota and ask them how much they are fixing
them...

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:41:55 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

By contrast, spend some time looking over a Toyota, imagining how you'd
access various things for repair. They're brilliantly thought out.

Exactly - because you have to fix them all the time.

That's not engineering brilliance - that's common sense. :)

NOTE: For the record, we once owned a Volvo that was so over
engineered, to change the warning/signal flasher, you had to remove
the dashboard to get to it.

Fix them all the time??

you have got to be kidding me right... now I know you are just joking
around... talk to ANYONE with a Toyota and ask them how much they are
fixing them...

Remember that Tom makes custom fishing lures. They obviously work well, even
on me, and I should know better. :-)

or buy a real truck with a PowerStroke Diesel

--
G.D.Smith
Harpers Ferry, WV

FOR SALE: 2005 Mercedes-Benz SLK350
http://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/MB_SLK350_01.html






"Don White" wrote in message
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You could trade up to the Tundra 4WD V8. It's rated at 7000 lbs.

Yeah, OK. "Stroke" is exactly the right word here.


"Glenn S." wrote in message
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or buy a real truck with a PowerStroke Diesel

--
G.D.Smith
Harpers Ferry, WV

FOR SALE: 2005 Mercedes-Benz SLK350
http://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/MB_SLK350_01.html






"Don White" wrote in message
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You could trade up to the Tundra 4WD V8. It's rated at 7000 lbs.

-rick- wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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My long suffering wife has finally put her foot down - get rid of one
of the boats and it can't be the Halman.

~~ women ~~

Anyway, I'm willing to make somebody one hell of a deal on a 2000
Ranger 200C CC bay boat with T-top and goodies. I might even throw in
a couple of custom made rods and Penn reels if necessary to seal the
deal. Note the might.

By the by, I mean ONE HELL OF A DEAL. So much so that you could
probably take the boat down south and make a couple of thou.


I'll trade you a cheese hat, three bags of pretzels, and 2 matched pairs
of RCA
6L6's.

-rick-



(hee, hee, hee .... love it.)

Sorry Tom, but *that* was funny!

Eisboch

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote in message
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 18:28:10 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:41:55 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

By contrast, spend some time looking over a Toyota, imagining how you'd
access various things for repair. They're brilliantly thought out.

Exactly - because you have to fix them all the time.

That's not engineering brilliance - that's common sense. :)

NOTE: For the record, we once owned a Volvo that was so over
engineered, to change the warning/signal flasher, you had to remove
the dashboard to get to it.

And, wasn't it one of the Firebirds or Camaros that required loosening an
engine mount and lifting the motor a few inches to access at least one of
the spark plugs? Back in the late 1970s, IIRC.

Cadillac actually - both rear cylinders - had to detach the engine
from the tranny.

That was just plain stupid.

Many cars today require pulling or partially pulling the engine to change
the spark plugs.

It sounds stupid to us old farts until you realize that the spark plugs
don't have to be changed until 100,000 miles or more.

Eisboch

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Dan J.S. wrote:


Knowing that 2-3 grand from each vehicle is made to pay for some employee
retirement plan is enough for me to say screw that! I would rather if
that 2-3 grand was spent in making the truck not fall apart after 5
years.


You're opposed to employee retirement plans?

The ones GM gives up to its unions, driving the U.S. automobile industry in
the gutter - yes I am.

Other than that, I am not.

Harry Krause wrote:
Dan J.S. wrote:


Knowing that 2-3 grand from each vehicle is made to pay for some
employee retirement plan is enough for me to say screw that! I would
rather if that 2-3 grand was spent in making the truck not fall apart
after 5 years.



You're opposed to employee retirement plans?

A 401K is a great retirement plan.

Dan