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Deal of the Century...
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
... On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:49:29 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: If you are really interested, info -AT- swsports DOT org. Liar! I went there and all you are selling is rods, reels, and lures.... Anyway... pending a divorce....I might be interested.... Don't forget (and make sure your lawyer knows) that boats are more important than food, and assets you took ownership of recently do not exist. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... My long suffering wife has finally put her foot down - get rid of one of the boats and it can't be the Halman. ~~ women ~~ Anyway, I'm willing to make somebody one hell of a deal on a 2000 Ranger 200C CC bay boat with T-top and goodies. I might even throw in a couple of custom made rods and Penn reels if necessary to seal the deal. Note the might. By the by, I mean ONE HELL OF A DEAL. So much so that you could probably take the boat down south and make a couple of thou. If you are really interested, info -AT- swsports DOT org. What does this little yacht weigh, including 3 bags of ice and the trailer? |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:23:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. My long suffering wife has finally put her foot down - get rid of one of the boats and it can't be the Halman. ~~ women ~~ Anyway, I'm willing to make somebody one hell of a deal on a 2000 Ranger 200C CC bay boat with T-top and goodies. I might even throw in a couple of custom made rods and Penn reels if necessary to seal the deal. Note the might. By the by, I mean ONE HELL OF A DEAL. So much so that you could probably take the boat down south and make a couple of thou. If you are really interested, info -AT- swsports DOT org. What does this little yacht weigh, including 3 bags of ice and the trailer? 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... My long suffering wife has finally put her foot down - get rid of one of the boats and it can't be the Halman. ~~ women ~~ Anyway, I'm willing to make somebody one hell of a deal on a 2000 Ranger 200C CC bay boat with T-top and goodies. I might even throw in a couple of custom made rods and Penn reels if necessary to seal the deal. Note the might. By the by, I mean ONE HELL OF A DEAL. So much so that you could probably take the boat down south and make a couple of thou. If you are really interested, info -AT- swsports DOT org. SWMBO's are that way. She was so happy when I sold my 14' aluminum boat a couple of weeks ago, after having not used it for about 10 years. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:40:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:23:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... My long suffering wife has finally put her foot down - get rid of one of the boats and it can't be the Halman. ~~ women ~~ Anyway, I'm willing to make somebody one hell of a deal on a 2000 Ranger 200C CC bay boat with T-top and goodies. I might even throw in a couple of custom made rods and Penn reels if necessary to seal the deal. Note the might. By the by, I mean ONE HELL OF A DEAL. So much so that you could probably take the boat down south and make a couple of thou. If you are really interested, info -AT- swsports DOT org. What does this little yacht weigh, including 3 bags of ice and the trailer? 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... What - that's not a lot. It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... |
Bill McKee wrote:
SWMBO's are that way. She was so happy when I sold my 14' aluminum boat a couple of weeks ago, after having not used it for about 10 years. So now you're just another non-boater here harassing legit boaters. |
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:40:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:23:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message om... My long suffering wife has finally put her foot down - get rid of one of the boats and it can't be the Halman. ~~ women ~~ Anyway, I'm willing to make somebody one hell of a deal on a 2000 Ranger 200C CC bay boat with T-top and goodies. I might even throw in a couple of custom made rods and Penn reels if necessary to seal the deal. Note the might. By the by, I mean ONE HELL OF A DEAL. So much so that you could probably take the boat down south and make a couple of thou. If you are really interested, info -AT- swsports DOT org. What does this little yacht weigh, including 3 bags of ice and the trailer? 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... What - that's not a lot. It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... You could trade up to the Tundra 4WD V8. It's rated at 7000 lbs. |
"Don White" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: SWMBO's are that way. She was so happy when I sold my 14' aluminum boat a couple of weeks ago, after having not used it for about 10 years. So now you're just another non-boater here harassing legit boaters. Nope, still got 3 plus a float tube. 21' aluminum Jetboat, canoe, tandem kayak, and the float tube. Taking the canoe and float tube for trout this weekend. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... My long suffering wife has finally put her foot down - get rid of one of the boats and it can't be the Halman. ~~ women ~~ Anyway, I'm willing to make somebody one hell of a deal on a 2000 Ranger 200C CC bay boat with T-top and goodies. I might even throw in a couple of custom made rods and Penn reels if necessary to seal the deal. Note the might. By the by, I mean ONE HELL OF A DEAL. So much so that you could probably take the boat down south and make a couple of thou. I'll trade you a cheese hat, three bags of pretzels, and 2 matched pairs of RCA 6L6's. -rick- |
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:12:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... What - that's not a lot. It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... I'm not a big GM fan, but my current yard truck is an '89 Chevy 1500. Original 350 motor, tranny, rear end. Interior and body all original. Everything works,it drives and rides great, and it still looks good. At 16 years old, it's worth more than that Toy. Besides, it'll snatch that puny-assed Toyota all over the place. 3500# towing limit? That's not a towing limit... it's a warning... to not try to tow anything! |
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:12:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:40:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:23:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:ei93k1lf8b86laig41sl9g7dv06rb77gdd@4ax. com... My long suffering wife has finally put her foot down - get rid of one of the boats and it can't be the Halman. ~~ women ~~ Anyway, I'm willing to make somebody one hell of a deal on a 2000 Ranger 200C CC bay boat with T-top and goodies. I might even throw in a couple of custom made rods and Penn reels if necessary to seal the deal. Note the might. By the by, I mean ONE HELL OF A DEAL. So much so that you could probably take the boat down south and make a couple of thou. If you are really interested, info -AT- swsports DOT org. What does this little yacht weigh, including 3 bags of ice and the trailer? 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... What - that's not a lot. It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... Ten years? Face it man, your just cheap. Hey...I resemble that! I kept my previous car 10.5 years before trading it in on my new 1995 Voyager mini-van....which is now 10.5 years old. In this neck of the woods , we call it 'being thrifty'. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:12:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:40:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:23:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:ei93k1lf8b86laig41sl9g7dv06rb77gdd@4ax. com... My long suffering wife has finally put her foot down - get rid of one of the boats and it can't be the Halman. ~~ women ~~ Anyway, I'm willing to make somebody one hell of a deal on a 2000 Ranger 200C CC bay boat with T-top and goodies. I might even throw in a couple of custom made rods and Penn reels if necessary to seal the deal. Note the might. By the by, I mean ONE HELL OF A DEAL. So much so that you could probably take the boat down south and make a couple of thou. If you are really interested, info -AT- swsports DOT org. What does this little yacht weigh, including 3 bags of ice and the trailer? 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... What - that's not a lot. It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... Ten years? Face it man, your just cheap. At ten years, the only reason to get rid of this truck would be boredom. |
"Jack Goff" wrote in message ... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:12:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... What - that's not a lot. It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... I'm not a big GM fan, but my current yard truck is an '89 Chevy 1500. Original 350 motor, tranny, rear end. Interior and body all original. Everything works,it drives and rides great, and it still looks good. At 16 years old, it's worth more than that Toy. Besides, it'll snatch that puny-assed Toyota all over the place. 3500# towing limit? That's not a towing limit... it's a warning... to not try to tow anything! Give it up dude. Any Toyota truck will put ANY GM or Ford truck to shame. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:20:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:12:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:40:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:gtf3k1tuohtvuoc0fobtugpqqed4tp32no@4ax. com... On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:23:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:ei93k1lf8b86laig41sl9g7dv06rb77gdd@4a x.com... My long suffering wife has finally put her foot down - get rid of one of the boats and it can't be the Halman. ~~ women ~~ Anyway, I'm willing to make somebody one hell of a deal on a 2000 Ranger 200C CC bay boat with T-top and goodies. I might even throw in a couple of custom made rods and Penn reels if necessary to seal the deal. Note the might. By the by, I mean ONE HELL OF A DEAL. So much so that you could probably take the boat down south and make a couple of thou. If you are really interested, info -AT- swsports DOT org. What does this little yacht weigh, including 3 bags of ice and the trailer? 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... What - that's not a lot. It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... Ten years? Face it man, your just cheap. At ten years, the only reason to get rid of this truck would be boredom. Like I said - cheap. :) Cheap??? A $515.00 per month car payment is cheap??? It's the half the size of my mortgage payment! |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:12:21 -0500, "Dan J.S." wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:12:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... What - that's not a lot. It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... I'm not a big GM fan, but my current yard truck is an '89 Chevy 1500. Original 350 motor, tranny, rear end. Interior and body all original. Everything works,it drives and rides great, and it still looks good. At 16 years old, it's worth more than that Toy. Besides, it'll snatch that puny-assed Toyota all over the place. 3500# towing limit? That's not a towing limit... it's a warning... to not try to tow anything! Give it up dude. Any Toyota truck will put ANY GM or Ford truck to shame. Really... And just what do you base that little piece of data on? Borrow a car and drive behind your Ford/Chevy/Dodge truck for a few minutes. Engine manufacturing tolerances are quite a bit wider (polite term) than what Toyota considers acceptable. The American trucks, right out of the showroom, smell like 30 year old vehicles. Not smoke. "Other". If you need a really clear demo, focus on what Dodge/Chrysler mini-vans smell like when they're more than a couple of years old. By the way, my comment on manufacturing tolerances comes from a dubious source: A friend who works on site with car makers, setting up their CNC machinery. The level of precision is specified by each manufacturer, which blows off any comments like "CNC machinery is capable of amazing precision". Yeah - but the user of the machinery has other issues to address, like production speed. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:06:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:20:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:12:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:kfh3k1h29v2h7ovs44t1nn7h2vhsm55joa@4ax. com... On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:40:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:gtf3k1tuohtvuoc0fobtugpqqed4tp32no@4a x.com... On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:23:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:ei93k1lf8b86laig41sl9g7dv06rb77gdd@ 4ax.com... My long suffering wife has finally put her foot down - get rid of one of the boats and it can't be the Halman. ~~ women ~~ Anyway, I'm willing to make somebody one hell of a deal on a 2000 Ranger 200C CC bay boat with T-top and goodies. I might even throw in a couple of custom made rods and Penn reels if necessary to seal the deal. Note the might. By the by, I mean ONE HELL OF A DEAL. So much so that you could probably take the boat down south and make a couple of thou. If you are really interested, info -AT- swsports DOT org. What does this little yacht weigh, including 3 bags of ice and the trailer? 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... What - that's not a lot. It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... Ten years? Face it man, your just cheap. At ten years, the only reason to get rid of this truck would be boredom. Like I said - cheap. :) Cheap??? A $515.00 per month car payment is cheap??? It's the half the size of my mortgage payment! You are paying $515 per month on a ten year old pickup? Hey, I want to talk to you about a bridge I have for sale. Back up, Mr FishSporting. :-) It's 3 years old, still making payments. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:11:37 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:12:21 -0500, "Dan J.S." wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message m... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:12:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:kfh3k1h29v2h7ovs44t1nn7h2vhsm55joa@4ax. com... 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... What - that's not a lot. It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... I'm not a big GM fan, but my current yard truck is an '89 Chevy 1500. Original 350 motor, tranny, rear end. Interior and body all original. Everything works,it drives and rides great, and it still looks good. At 16 years old, it's worth more than that Toy. Besides, it'll snatch that puny-assed Toyota all over the place. 3500# towing limit? That's not a towing limit... it's a warning... to not try to tow anything! Give it up dude. Any Toyota truck will put ANY GM or Ford truck to shame. Really... And just what do you base that little piece of data on? Borrow a car and drive behind your Ford/Chevy/Dodge truck for a few minutes. Engine manufacturing tolerances are quite a bit wider (polite term) than what Toyota considers acceptable. The American trucks, right out of the showroom, smell like 30 year old vehicles. Not smoke. "Other". If you need a really clear demo, focus on what Dodge/Chrysler mini-vans smell like when they're more than a couple of years old. By the way, my comment on manufacturing tolerances comes from a dubious source: A friend who works on site with car makers, setting up their CNC machinery. The level of precision is specified by each manufacturer, which blows off any comments like "CNC machinery is capable of amazing precision". Yeah - but the user of the machinery has other issues to address, like production speed. I wouldn't know - I drive a diesel pickup. And the wife drives a Mercedes. Oooh....which Mercedes? |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:12:21 -0500, "Dan J.S." wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:12:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... What - that's not a lot. It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... I'm not a big GM fan, but my current yard truck is an '89 Chevy 1500. Original 350 motor, tranny, rear end. Interior and body all original. Everything works,it drives and rides great, and it still looks good. At 16 years old, it's worth more than that Toy. Besides, it'll snatch that puny-assed Toyota all over the place. 3500# towing limit? That's not a towing limit... it's a warning... to not try to tow anything! Give it up dude. Any Toyota truck will put ANY GM or Ford truck to shame. Really... And just what do you base that little piece of data on? For one, try doing this to a GM or Ford... Toyotas are almost impossible to kill http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/prog28/toyota.shtml |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:12:21 -0500, "Dan J.S." wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:12:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... What - that's not a lot. It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... I'm not a big GM fan, but my current yard truck is an '89 Chevy 1500. Original 350 motor, tranny, rear end. Interior and body all original. Everything works,it drives and rides great, and it still looks good. At 16 years old, it's worth more than that Toy. Besides, it'll snatch that puny-assed Toyota all over the place. 3500# towing limit? That's not a towing limit... it's a warning... to not try to tow anything! Give it up dude. Any Toyota truck will put ANY GM or Ford truck to shame. Really... And just what do you base that little piece of data on? Don't you ever talk to anyone who's owned Toyotas, Tom? With rare exceptions, the vehicles simply do not have mickey mouse bull**** problems that make you wonder what the designers were thinking (if in fact they were). My '92 Taurus had a fusible link in the wire to the starter motor. Not unusual, except for one problem: It was located under the car, with no means of protection from the elements. One day, it simply crumbled. No ride to work that day. My Mercury wagon's stick shift was held onto the tranny by a threaded plastic collar. Great idea for a part that's 4" from the exhaust pipe. I downshifted from 3rd to 2nd approaching a traffic light, and the stick shift came out of the tranny. The collar had melted. Ford said they'd never heard of this before. Even better: The only way to fix the thing was to remove the gen-yoo-ine leather boot. That was attached to a frame which bolted to the body, not to the console. So, the carpet has to come out. That meant the seats had to come out. Bull****. By contrast, spend some time looking over a Toyota, imagining how you'd access various things for repair. They're brilliantly thought out. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:05:51 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:06:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:20:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:bjm4k1t9nc8d0p47kpkkvqik4a3lbi4a3a@4ax. com... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:12:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:kfh3k1h29v2h7ovs44t1nn7h2vhsm55joa@4a x.com... On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:40:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:gtf3k1tuohtvuoc0fobtugpqqed4tp32no@ 4ax.com... On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:23:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:ei93k1lf8b86laig41sl9g7dv06rb77gd ... My long suffering wife has finally put her foot down - get rid of one of the boats and it can't be the Halman. ~~ women ~~ Anyway, I'm willing to make somebody one hell of a deal on a 2000 Ranger 200C CC bay boat with T-top and goodies. I might even throw in a couple of custom made rods and Penn reels if necessary to seal the deal. Note the might. By the by, I mean ONE HELL OF A DEAL. So much so that you could probably take the boat down south and make a couple of thou. If you are really interested, info -AT- swsports DOT org. What does this little yacht weigh, including 3 bags of ice and the trailer? 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... What - that's not a lot. It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... Ten years? Face it man, your just cheap. At ten years, the only reason to get rid of this truck would be boredom. Like I said - cheap. :) Cheap??? A $515.00 per month car payment is cheap??? It's the half the size of my mortgage payment! You are paying $515 per month on a ten year old pickup? Hey, I want to talk to you about a bridge I have for sale. Back up, Mr FishSporting. :-) It's 3 years old, still making payments. Ah - well then - that's ok. A little much for a Japanese pickup truck, but what do I know? True story: Dad: The Caddy's in the shop again. Transmission this time. Gonna be about $1500.00. Me: How many miles? Dad: 60 something thousand. Me: That's ridiculous. Same problem with the Buick, right? Dad: It could happen to any car. That last line - that's the thought you must hold close to your heart in order to remain blind to the fact that you could have something better. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:41:55 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: By contrast, spend some time looking over a Toyota, imagining how you'd access various things for repair. They're brilliantly thought out. Exactly - because you have to fix them all the time. That's not engineering brilliance - that's common sense. :) NOTE: For the record, we once owned a Volvo that was so over engineered, to change the warning/signal flasher, you had to remove the dashboard to get to it. And, wasn't it one of the Firebirds or Camaros that required loosening an engine mount and lifting the motor a few inches to access at least one of the spark plugs? Back in the late 1970s, IIRC. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:23:35 -0500, "Dan J.S." wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:12:21 -0500, "Dan J.S." wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message m... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:12:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:kfh3k1h29v2h7ovs44t1nn7h2vhsm55joa@4ax. com... 3,500 lbs or there abouts. Damn.... What - that's not a lot. It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... I'm not a big GM fan, but my current yard truck is an '89 Chevy 1500. Original 350 motor, tranny, rear end. Interior and body all original. Everything works,it drives and rides great, and it still looks good. At 16 years old, it's worth more than that Toy. Besides, it'll snatch that puny-assed Toyota all over the place. 3500# towing limit? That's not a towing limit... it's a warning... to not try to tow anything! Give it up dude. Any Toyota truck will put ANY GM or Ford truck to shame. Really... And just what do you base that little piece of data on? For one, try doing this to a GM or Ford... Toyotas are almost impossible to kill http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/prog28/toyota.shtml Please - dropping an empty aluminum box on a roll bar qualifies it as tough? Get a life. Did you watch the video? The hilux is incredible. Why do you think GM and Ford has just posted 50% + decline in their trucks and SUVs... where Toyota is actually up in parts of this sector... People know quality, and I think Detroit finally got it that making junk is not something people are willing to pay for... Knowing that 2-3 grand from each vehicle is made to pay for some employee retirement plan is enough for me to say screw that! I would rather if that 2-3 grand was spent in making the truck not fall apart after 5 years. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:41:55 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: By contrast, spend some time looking over a Toyota, imagining how you'd access various things for repair. They're brilliantly thought out. Exactly - because you have to fix them all the time. That's not engineering brilliance - that's common sense. :) NOTE: For the record, we once owned a Volvo that was so over engineered, to change the warning/signal flasher, you had to remove the dashboard to get to it. Fix them all the time?? you have got to be kidding me right... now I know you are just joking around... talk to ANYONE with a Toyota and ask them how much they are fixing them... |
"Dan J.S." wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:41:55 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: By contrast, spend some time looking over a Toyota, imagining how you'd access various things for repair. They're brilliantly thought out. Exactly - because you have to fix them all the time. That's not engineering brilliance - that's common sense. :) NOTE: For the record, we once owned a Volvo that was so over engineered, to change the warning/signal flasher, you had to remove the dashboard to get to it. Fix them all the time?? you have got to be kidding me right... now I know you are just joking around... talk to ANYONE with a Toyota and ask them how much they are fixing them... Remember that Tom makes custom fishing lures. They obviously work well, even on me, and I should know better. :-) |
or buy a real truck with a PowerStroke Diesel
-- G.D.Smith Harpers Ferry, WV FOR SALE: 2005 Mercedes-Benz SLK350 http://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/MB_SLK350_01.html "Don White" wrote in message ... You could trade up to the Tundra 4WD V8. It's rated at 7000 lbs. |
Yeah, OK. "Stroke" is exactly the right word here.
"Glenn S." wrote in message ... or buy a real truck with a PowerStroke Diesel -- G.D.Smith Harpers Ferry, WV FOR SALE: 2005 Mercedes-Benz SLK350 http://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/MB_SLK350_01.html "Don White" wrote in message ... You could trade up to the Tundra 4WD V8. It's rated at 7000 lbs. |
-rick- wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... My long suffering wife has finally put her foot down - get rid of one of the boats and it can't be the Halman. ~~ women ~~ Anyway, I'm willing to make somebody one hell of a deal on a 2000 Ranger 200C CC bay boat with T-top and goodies. I might even throw in a couple of custom made rods and Penn reels if necessary to seal the deal. Note the might. By the by, I mean ONE HELL OF A DEAL. So much so that you could probably take the boat down south and make a couple of thou. I'll trade you a cheese hat, three bags of pretzels, and 2 matched pairs of RCA 6L6's. -rick- (hee, hee, hee .... love it.) Sorry Tom, but *that* was funny! Eisboch |
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote in message ... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 18:28:10 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:41:55 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: By contrast, spend some time looking over a Toyota, imagining how you'd access various things for repair. They're brilliantly thought out. Exactly - because you have to fix them all the time. That's not engineering brilliance - that's common sense. :) NOTE: For the record, we once owned a Volvo that was so over engineered, to change the warning/signal flasher, you had to remove the dashboard to get to it. And, wasn't it one of the Firebirds or Camaros that required loosening an engine mount and lifting the motor a few inches to access at least one of the spark plugs? Back in the late 1970s, IIRC. Cadillac actually - both rear cylinders - had to detach the engine from the tranny. That was just plain stupid. Many cars today require pulling or partially pulling the engine to change the spark plugs. It sounds stupid to us old farts until you realize that the spark plugs don't have to be changed until 100,000 miles or more. Eisboch |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan J.S. wrote: Knowing that 2-3 grand from each vehicle is made to pay for some employee retirement plan is enough for me to say screw that! I would rather if that 2-3 grand was spent in making the truck not fall apart after 5 years. You're opposed to employee retirement plans? The ones GM gives up to its unions, driving the U.S. automobile industry in the gutter - yes I am. Other than that, I am not. |
Harry Krause wrote:
Dan J.S. wrote: Knowing that 2-3 grand from each vehicle is made to pay for some employee retirement plan is enough for me to say screw that! I would rather if that 2-3 grand was spent in making the truck not fall apart after 5 years. You're opposed to employee retirement plans? A 401K is a great retirement plan. Dan |
Harry Krause wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Dan J.S. wrote: Knowing that 2-3 grand from each vehicle is made to pay for some employee retirement plan is enough for me to say screw that! I would rather if that 2-3 grand was spent in making the truck not fall apart after 5 years. You're opposed to employee retirement plans? A 401K is a great retirement plan. Dan Not compared to a defined benefit plan, but they're ok in conjunction with one. Perhaps you trust large corporation financial officers and the CPA firms that suck up to them; I don't. Too many perfectly legal ways to cook the books. Mine was through Fidelity. I rolled it into an IRA when I started my business. Employers are required to send the funds to 401K plans. Union retirement plans are fully funded? |
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:12:21 -0500, "Dan J.S." wrote:
"Jack Goff" wrote in message I'm not a big GM fan, but my current yard truck is an '89 Chevy 1500. Original 350 motor, tranny, rear end. Interior and body all original. Everything works,it drives and rides great, and it still looks good. At 16 years old, it's worth more than that Toy. Besides, it'll snatch that puny-assed Toyota all over the place. 3500# towing limit? That's not a towing limit... it's a warning... to not try to tow anything! Give it up dude. Any Toyota truck will put ANY GM or Ford truck to shame. OK, "dude", surf's up. Let's give it a whirl. Any Toyota truck includes Doug's, so it qualifies, right? Doug's towing capacity is 3500 lbs (snicker), so when he hooks up to Shortwave's boat, the game is all over. It can't safely tow the boat and an ice chest full of fish home. Period. Enter a Ford F150. It can hookup and tow both the boat and the tiny Toy truck home with a 8500 lb towing capacity. Who is ashamed now? But hey... the Toyota is not a bad vehicle... it will get the groceries, pick up some ice and beer, make a pizza run... oh, you get the idea. But if you need to do some real work, tow some real weight, need a full sized truck, you'll need to look to Ford, GM, or Dodge for your answer. The ricer trucks are getting close to matching the capabilities of a standard American truck,. but can't come close to the abilities af a F-250 or GM 2500 series. Once again... 3500# towing limit? That's not a towing limit... it's a warning... to not try to tow anything! Jack 3500#? snicker... hell, I'll bet my Boxster would tow that! |
"Dan Krueger" wrote in message ink.net... Harry Krause wrote: Dan Krueger wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Dan J.S. wrote: Knowing that 2-3 grand from each vehicle is made to pay for some employee retirement plan is enough for me to say screw that! I would rather if that 2-3 grand was spent in making the truck not fall apart after 5 years. You're opposed to employee retirement plans? A 401K is a great retirement plan. Dan Not compared to a defined benefit plan, but they're ok in conjunction with one. Perhaps you trust large corporation financial officers and the CPA firms that suck up to them; I don't. Too many perfectly legal ways to cook the books. Mine was through Fidelity. I rolled it into an IRA when I started my business. Employers are required to send the funds to 401K plans. Union retirement plans are fully funded? Not for long........... |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan J.S. wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan J.S. wrote: Knowing that 2-3 grand from each vehicle is made to pay for some employee retirement plan is enough for me to say screw that! I would rather if that 2-3 grand was spent in making the truck not fall apart after 5 years. You're opposed to employee retirement plans? The ones GM gives up to its unions, driving the U.S. automobile industry in the gutter - yes I am. Other than that, I am not. The retirement plans are the result of collective bargaining, and for the most part represent hourly earnings the employees could have seen as gross income in their paychecks had they so chose. GM isn't giving the employees anything; the employees decided that they wanted a percentage of their income going towards retirement. Many US corporations have unfunded pension liability problems. *THAT* is the fault of management and greedy stockholders. If the US auto industry is in the gutter, it isn't because of its unionized employees; it is because of bad, shortsighted management. Auto union over compensated pensions are because of shortsighted management. For years when Detroit was the only game for a decent vehicle, they gave the union most of what they asked for. They were rolling in income. But since Deming went to Japan and taught them about quality control, at least Toyota and Honda, the pie got smaller. But the unions did not admit that. Toyota cars are not the best as a car, but Toyota is probably the premier manufacturing company in the world. Do not change something that is working, unless they need to for milage, etc. That 2005 Toyota engine will most likely bolt in to any 15 year old Toyota. Other than the electronics, and FI, same basic engine. Cars handles like crap, but it will handle like crap for a lot of miles. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 18:28:10 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:41:55 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: By contrast, spend some time looking over a Toyota, imagining how you'd access various things for repair. They're brilliantly thought out. Exactly - because you have to fix them all the time. That's not engineering brilliance - that's common sense. :) NOTE: For the record, we once owned a Volvo that was so over engineered, to change the warning/signal flasher, you had to remove the dashboard to get to it. And, wasn't it one of the Firebirds or Camaros that required loosening an engine mount and lifting the motor a few inches to access at least one of the spark plugs? Back in the late 1970s, IIRC. Cadillac actually - both rear cylinders - had to detach the engine from the tranny. That was just plain stupid. Mustang big blocks also the same thing as a Cougar. Just make a hole in the fender well. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:54:31 -0400, "Glenn S." wrote: or buy a real truck with a PowerStroke Diesel Damn straight. :) Duramax. Quieter, better milage, more pulling power. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan J.S. wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan J.S. wrote: Knowing that 2-3 grand from each vehicle is made to pay for some employee retirement plan is enough for me to say screw that! I would rather if that 2-3 grand was spent in making the truck not fall apart after 5 years. You're opposed to employee retirement plans? The ones GM gives up to its unions, driving the U.S. automobile industry in the gutter - yes I am. Other than that, I am not. The retirement plans are the result of collective bargaining, and for the most part represent hourly earnings the employees could have seen as gross income in their paychecks had they so chose. GM isn't giving the employees anything; the employees decided that they wanted a percentage of their income going towards retirement. Many US corporations have unfunded pension liability problems. *THAT* is the fault of management and greedy stockholders. If the US auto industry is in the gutter, it isn't because of its unionized employees; it is because of bad, shortsighted management. Auto union over compensated pensions are because of shortsighted management. Overcompensated pension? You mean a worker who spends most of his productive life toiling in a factory shouldn't be able to retire with a decent pension? Worker pension plans are the largest source of capital in the world. Too bad so many corporations mismanage them. Too bad union pensions were so badly managed and looted by the union leaders. |
Harry,
I thought it was Unions who mismanaged the pension funds, giving questionable loans to the mob. It has been suggested by many that the union leaders personally profited from these questionable loans. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan J.S. wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan J.S. wrote: Knowing that 2-3 grand from each vehicle is made to pay for some employee retirement plan is enough for me to say screw that! I would rather if that 2-3 grand was spent in making the truck not fall apart after 5 years. You're opposed to employee retirement plans? The ones GM gives up to its unions, driving the U.S. automobile industry in the gutter - yes I am. Other than that, I am not. The retirement plans are the result of collective bargaining, and for the most part represent hourly earnings the employees could have seen as gross income in their paychecks had they so chose. GM isn't giving the employees anything; the employees decided that they wanted a percentage of their income going towards retirement. Many US corporations have unfunded pension liability problems. *THAT* is the fault of management and greedy stockholders. If the US auto industry is in the gutter, it isn't because of its unionized employees; it is because of bad, shortsighted management. Auto union over compensated pensions are because of shortsighted management. Overcompensated pension? You mean a worker who spends most of his productive life toiling in a factory shouldn't be able to retire with a decent pension? Worker pension plans are the largest source of capital in the world. Too bad so many corporations mismanage them. |
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:12:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: It's precisely the towing limit of my truck. Being a Toyota, it's probably a conservative number, but still....I don't want to mess up a 10 year investment. If it was a throwaway like a Chevy or Ford.... ROFLMAO.... and I tow #8,000 with a Colorado..... throwaway, indeed...... No kidding. My second truck is a 1989 Chevy Silvarado, with a TBI 350, and 242k miles on it. All original, and still runs great. Has over 30 psi of oil pressure, and of those 242k miles...80% were haulin' a boat! How old are you Dougie? -- -Netsock "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ |
"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan J.S. wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan J.S. wrote: Knowing that 2-3 grand from each vehicle is made to pay for some employee retirement plan is enough for me to say screw that! I would rather if that 2-3 grand was spent in making the truck not fall apart after 5 years. You're opposed to employee retirement plans? The ones GM gives up to its unions, driving the U.S. automobile industry in the gutter - yes I am. Other than that, I am not. The retirement plans are the result of collective bargaining, and for the most part represent hourly earnings the employees could have seen as gross income in their paychecks had they so chose. GM isn't giving the employees anything; the employees decided that they wanted a percentage of their income going towards retirement. Many US corporations have unfunded pension liability problems. *THAT* is the fault of management and greedy stockholders. If the US auto industry is in the gutter, it isn't because of its unionized employees; it is because of bad, shortsighted management. Auto union over compensated pensions are because of shortsighted management. For years when Detroit was the only game for a decent vehicle, they gave the union most of what they asked for. They were rolling in income. But since Deming went to Japan and taught them about quality control, at least Toyota and Honda, the pie got smaller. But the unions did not admit that. Toyota cars are not the best as a car, but Toyota is probably the premier manufacturing company in the world. Do not change something that is working, unless they need to for milage, etc. That 2005 Toyota engine will most likely bolt in to any 15 year old Toyota. Other than the electronics, and FI, same basic engine. Cars handles like crap, but it will handle like crap for a lot of miles. Steel companies, airlines, automotive are all suffering from the defined pension plans.....which is why they will be a thing of the past in the near future. |
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