Shen,
If you'll notice after about 70 feet most of these boats come with crew
quarters for the reasons you state. A boat that large involves a lot of work
that most people that can afford the boat can also afford someone else to do
the work. I'd guess 60 foot would be the upper range for a couple to
operate. Have you ever heard of an insurance company denying coverage due to
experience?
Paul

"Shen44" wrote in message
...
Can't give you a definitive answer, however....
60 feet is not a criteria for a license in the US, though it could be
other
places.
Insurance will play a big part as to who operates this vessel.
Where you register/document it will also be a major factor (amazin what
you can
get away with when you have enough money and the right contacts)
BUT, if you can afford a ship that big, why would you want the headaches
associated with being the Master of such a vessel? Hire some flunky.

Shen

Shen,
If you'll notice after about 70 feet most of these boats come with crew
quarters for the reasons you state. A boat that large involves a lot of work
that most people that can afford the boat can also afford someone else to do
the work. I'd guess 60 foot would be the upper range for a couple to
operate. Have you ever heard of an insurance company denying coverage due to
experience?
Paul


Say you hired a crew for this boat. How many would you have? Maybe a Capt,
Mate/cook? in other words, a couple.
There's nothing that would keep two people from handling a 60 or even 100 foot
boat competently as long as they know what they are doing and the boat is well
equipped.
Insurance companies and banks tend to want to protect their investments, and
set up rules which must be followed to obtain their insurance and loans.
Aside from them, there can be other regulatory hoops to jump through, so I
can't give any specific answer as to requirement which may be specific to all
sizes because there are just too many variables.
For instance, I know of 550' ships that are certified for a crew of six. Not
totally in line with the question, but it gives an idea of the possible
variables involved.

Shen

550', crew of 6?? Don't see how, that's the minimum Wheelhouse
Officer/Lookout complement. That vessel will also require a Captain, Chief
Engineer, Second and Third Engineers, at least 3 A/B Unlimiteds, 3 O/Ss and
a couple Oilers/Wipers depending on how advanced the engineering space is.

"Shen44" wrote in message
...
Shen,
If you'll notice after about 70 feet most of these boats come with
crew
quarters for the reasons you state. A boat that large involves a lot of
work
that most people that can afford the boat can also afford someone else to
do
the work. I'd guess 60 foot would be the upper range for a couple to
operate. Have you ever heard of an insurance company denying coverage due
to
experience?
Paul


Say you hired a crew for this boat. How many would you have? Maybe a Capt,
Mate/cook? in other words, a couple.
There's nothing that would keep two people from handling a 60 or even 100
foot
boat competently as long as they know what they are doing and the boat is
well
equipped.
Insurance companies and banks tend to want to protect their investments,
and
set up rules which must be followed to obtain their insurance and loans.
Aside from them, there can be other regulatory hoops to jump through, so I
can't give any specific answer as to requirement which may be specific to
all
sizes because there are just too many variables.
For instance, I know of 550' ships that are certified for a crew of six.
Not
totally in line with the question, but it gives an idea of the possible
variables involved.

Shen

Subject: Captain's License
From: "HLAviation"
Date: 07/22/2004 22:46 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net

550', crew of 6?? Don't see how, that's the minimum Wheelhouse
Officer/Lookout complement. That vessel will also require a Captain, Chief
Engineer, Second and Third Engineers, at least 3 A/B Unlimiteds, 3 O/Ss and
a couple Oilers/Wipers depending on how advanced the engineering space is.


G First off, you'll note I said "certified".
Normally they sail with a crew of 11.
Looking at your list of crew, I'd say you're a bit behind the times. For
instance, on any ship I sailed on, we didn't have OS's or oiler/wipers since
the early 80's.
The particular ships I'm talking about are not US flag and carry Capt, 1M, 2M,
3M, CE, 1rst E, 2nd eng, 3 AB's, cook.
Needless to say the vessel's are HIGHLY automated and were built as a test bed.
There are two people on the bridge during inbound/outbound trips ... Capt and
CE.
For longer runs there will be a Mate.

Shen

HLAviation wrote:
550', crew of 6?? Don't see how, that's the minimum Wheelhouse
Officer/Lookout complement. That vessel will also require a Captain, Chief
Engineer, Second and Third Engineers, at least 3 A/B Unlimiteds, 3 O/Ss and
a couple Oilers/Wipers depending on how advanced the engineering space is.

You've been working in the mud too long. Even the bigger containerships
now have only 10 or 11 crew. That 550 footer is a little coaster with an
unmanned engine room, one-man bridge, and a reduced manning certificate.

The crew complement on one of Cosco's box boats is:

Master
Chief Mate
2nd Mate
Chief Engineer
2nd Engineer
Bosun
AB
Oilr/Motorman
OS (2 each)
Cook

Rick

I think that captain from Exxon is still looking for a ship

Mick


"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the money
to
buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying
passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it
might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you though.
My
friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a captain's
license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state
that
my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't
discuss
this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a point
(size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such as
a
master's license or previous experience?
Paul

Mick,
Wasn't it the mate that put her on the rocks while the Captain was
asleep?
Paul

"Mickey" wrote in message
news:B%HLc.2715$ml.2649@lakeread05...
I think that captain from Exxon is still looking for a ship

Mick


"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the
money
to
buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying
passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it
might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you
though.
My
friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a
captain's
license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state
that
my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't
discuss
this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a
point
(size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such
as
a
master's license or previous experience?
Paul

Subject: Captain's License
From: "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net
Date: 07/22/2004 02:28 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Mick,
Wasn't it the mate that put her on the rocks while the Captain was
asleep?
Paul


It wasn't "the" mate, it was the 3rd Mate ...big difference, and I doubt the
Captain was asleep as he had to take departure, send messages and complete
various tidbits of paperwork.

Shen

If you remain in US waters, you do not require one by law. Go anywhere else
and you will. Getting insured is impossible. 60+ft does not require a
license for recreational use. I just finished training an owner /operator on
his 84' boat, and he has no license. He will however end up hiring a crew to
operate and maintain the boat, he just wanted to know what he was doing.

"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the money
to
buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying
passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it
might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you though.
My
friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a captain's
license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state
that
my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't
discuss
this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a point
(size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such as
a
master's license or previous experience?
Paul

HL,
How ya doing? Haven't seen you post in a while, take it you were out to
sea. Anyway welcome back and thanks for the information.
Paul

"HLAviation" wrote in message
ink.net...
If you remain in US waters, you do not require one by law. Go anywhere
else
and you will. Getting insured is impossible. 60+ft does not require a
license for recreational use. I just finished training an owner /operator
on
his 84' boat, and he has no license. He will however end up hiring a crew
to
operate and maintain the boat, he just wanted to know what he was doing.

"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the
money
to
buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying
passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it
might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you
though.
My
friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a
captain's
license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state
that
my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't
discuss
this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a
point
(size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such
as
a
master's license or previous experience?
Paul