I was down as my marina today checking on the boat (the usual,
plugged/frozen drains, vents, etc.) and I stopped to talk to the
fellow who makes custom rods. There was a guy there picking up his
custom made flyrods and we started chatting and he mentioned that he
was a "guide". I replied that I was thinking about taking the "Six
Pack" course for my own amusement and he said that he wasn't a Captain
- just a guide. (I have no interest in the charter business - the
course would be something to fill time over the winter).

It piqued my curiosity how he got around the requirement to have a
license and according to him, he doesn't need a license to take a
customer on his boat because the customer is hiring him and not the
boat. His reasoning is that the boat is merely the method to get
where they are going - he doesn't need a special license to take his
truck to a remote stream or lake, so why would he need one for his
boat?

So, the question is - is it necessary to have a "Six Pack" to take a
person on a fishing trip?

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"My rod and my reel - they comfort me."

St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test

Probably does not have a state guides license either.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
I was down as my marina today checking on the boat (the usual,
plugged/frozen drains, vents, etc.) and I stopped to talk to the
fellow who makes custom rods. There was a guy there picking up his
custom made flyrods and we started chatting and he mentioned that he
was a "guide". I replied that I was thinking about taking the "Six
Pack" course for my own amusement and he said that he wasn't a Captain
- just a guide. (I have no interest in the charter business - the
course would be something to fill time over the winter).

It piqued my curiosity how he got around the requirement to have a
license and according to him, he doesn't need a license to take a
customer on his boat because the customer is hiring him and not the
boat. His reasoning is that the boat is merely the method to get
where they are going - he doesn't need a special license to take his
truck to a remote stream or lake, so why would he need one for his
boat?

So, the question is - is it necessary to have a "Six Pack" to take a
person on a fishing trip?

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"My rod and my reel - they comfort me."

St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:00:43 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

Probably does not have a state guides license either.

As far as I know, and I just did a quick search of the NE states,
there isn't a specific "guides" license.

Only hunting and fishing.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"My rod and my reel - they comfort me."

St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:11:11 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:33:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

It piqued my curiosity how he got around the requirement to have a
license and according to him, he doesn't need a license to take a
customer on his boat because the customer is hiring him and not the
boat. His reasoning is that the boat is merely the method to get
where they are going - he doesn't need a special license to take his
truck to a remote stream or lake, so why would he need one for his
boat?

This is a rationale existing only in the mind of this "guide."
Federal regulations consider that a passenger for hire is any person
who has contributed funds as a condition of carriage on the vessel.
These funds can end up in the pocket of any person having an interest
in the vessel and it is still considered carrying a passenger for
hire.

If you carry a passenger for hire, you better have some kind of USCG
license.

This guy might get away with this if he doesn't have *any* interest in
the vessel used, but I didn't read your question that way...

There *are* guide licenses, but to my knowledge they are all thinly
disguised state taxes and have nothing to do with federal DOT
requirements. Oh, yeah, DHS, now, too....

Go get that 6-pack. ....................Uh. license, that is.....

That's what I understood from reading the requirements for having a
license - it's also why I asked the question.

For me it's not a problem - I'm not looking to get into the charter
business in any fashion. I just thought it was an interseting
rational.

Thanks for the clarification.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"My rod and my reel - they comfort me."

St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test

All the West coast states require a guide license. You have to have
insurance, CPR training, and keep a log of catches.
Bill

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:00:43 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

Probably does not have a state guides license either.

As far as I know, and I just did a quick search of the NE states,
there isn't a specific "guides" license.

Only hunting and fishing.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"My rod and my reel - they comfort me."

St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:18:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

All the West coast states require a guide license. You have to have
insurance, CPR training, and keep a log of catches.
Bill

Actually, that's kind of a good idea if you are doing it
professionally. In particular the log thing.

Is the log sent in to a central data collection point?

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"My rod and my reel - they comfort me."

St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:18:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

All the West coast states require a guide license. You have to have
insurance, CPR training, and keep a log of catches.
Bill

Actually, that's kind of a good idea if you are doing it
professionally. In particular the log thing.

Is the log sent in to a central data collection point?

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"My rod and my reel - they comfort me."

St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test

Yes. they use the logs on all the party/head boats and guides as part of the
fisheries management input.
Bill

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:16:20 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:18:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

All the West coast states require a guide license. You have to have
insurance, CPR training, and keep a log of catches.
Bill

Actually, that's kind of a good idea if you are doing it
professionally. In particular the log thing.

Is the log sent in to a central data collection point?

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"My rod and my reel - they comfort me."

St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test

Yes. they use the logs on all the party/head boats and guides as part of the
fisheries management input.

Thanks - appreciate the info.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"My rod and my reel - they comfort me."

St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/licensing/pdffiles/fg992.pdf
is the link to the Calif guide fishing license application. Notice it says
you have to have a USCG license if boat guiding.
Bill

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:16:20 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message
.. .
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:18:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

All the West coast states require a guide license. You have to have
insurance, CPR training, and keep a log of catches.
Bill

Actually, that's kind of a good idea if you are doing it
professionally. In particular the log thing.

Is the log sent in to a central data collection point?

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"My rod and my reel - they comfort me."

St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test

Yes. they use the logs on all the party/head boats and guides as part of
the
fisheries management input.

Thanks - appreciate the info.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"My rod and my reel - they comfort me."

St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test

OK, this might be a good point for me, a relative newcomer to boating, to
ask what a "six pack" license entails, and why it is called a "six pack".

Steve H.


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:33:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

he said that he wasn't a Captain
- just a guide. (I have no interest in the charter business - the
course would be something to fill time over the winter).

It piqued my curiosity how he got around the requirement to have a
license and according to him, he doesn't need a license to take a
customer on his boat because the customer is hiring him and not the
boat. His reasoning is that the boat is merely the method to get
where they are going - he doesn't need a special license to take his
truck to a remote stream or lake, so why would he need one for his
boat?


This is a rationale existing only in the mind of this "guide."
Federal regulations consider that a passenger for hire is any person
who has contributed funds as a condition of carriage on the vessel.
These funds can end up in the pocket of any person having an interest
in the vessel and it is still considered carrying a passenger for
hire.

If you carry a passenger for hire, you better have some kind of USCG
license.

This guy might get away with this if he doesn't have *any* interest in
the vessel used, but I didn't read your question that way...

There *are* guide licenses, but to my knowledge they are all thinly
disguised state taxes and have nothing to do with federal DOT
requirements. Oh, yeah, DHS, now, too....

Go get that 6-pack. ....................Uh. license, that is.....

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