Liberal Racist?
 

Doug,

I think you missed the point of my posts, so often rumors and incorrect data
is transmitted as fact on the internet. According to the Times of India,
they are on the verge of increasing the minimum wage from their current rate
of Rs 64.72/hr (or approx. $1.50/hr). According to those in the Telephone
Service Industry promoting outsourcing of jobs, the average wage for
telephone service center operators is $2 to $3/hr which equals $4160 - $6240
annual income, well above the average income in the US, when comparing the
purchasing power of their income ( $2900 in India is equal to the average
income in the US.)

So if you want your argument to carry weight it is best to use accurate
info, instead of repeating rumors and incorrect data.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:fbTGc.6642$WX.211@attbi_s51...
Gould,

Thanks for the suggestion, but I was hoping you would have followed up
on
some of the links yourself to see that they really do not pay call
center
employees $1 / hr.

Chuck has a job. You want a secretary? Hire one.

Liberal Racist?
 

Doug,

I think you missed the point of my posts, so often rumors and incorrect info
is transmitted as fact on the internet. Since Chuck is someone who prides
himself on using logic not emotion in his debates, I am sure he would want
to use accurate data, not often repeated incorrect data.

According to the Times of India, they are on the verge of increasing the
minimum wage from their current rate
of Rs 64.72/hr (or approx. $1.50/hr). According to those in the Telephone
Service Industry promoting outsourcing of jobs, the average wage for
telephone service center operators is $2 to $3/hr which equals $4160 - $6240
annual income, well above the average income in the US, when comparing the
purchasing power of their income ( $2900 in India is equal to the average
income in the US.)

So if you want your argument to carry weight it is best to use accurate
info, instead of repeating rumors and incorrect data.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:fbTGc.6642$WX.211@attbi_s51...
Gould,

Thanks for the suggestion, but I was hoping you would have followed up
on
some of the links yourself to see that they really do not pay call
center
employees $1 / hr.

Chuck has a job. You want a secretary? Hire one.

Liberal Racist?
 

PS - According to the CIA World Fact book, for someone in India to earn as
much purchasing power as the average worker in the US, they must earn $2900
per year.

That's $1.45 an hour, assuming the Indian workers do 5 (8-hr) days per week
(not more) and get two weeks of unpaid vacation.

I provide 807 links that establish a typical pay rate of $1 per hour, check a
few to verify, and you fault my research?

Here's a face-saving fig leaf for ya. A cut n paste from one article that says
some wages in India can be as high as $2......
thereby ripping the heart out of my assertion that the Indian call center
employees are working more cheaply than any American can afford to. (Typical
liberal. Bemoans that no American can exist on $40 a week, when the facts are
that a very industrious worker with a little seniority and a willingness to
assume some management responsibility can eventually hope to rise to $80 a
week. Instead of one corn dog a week, the industrious worker will be able to
have a tank of gas, a six pack of beer, and a corn dog *every day*! Woo hoo!
Watch those damn liberals, they refuse to see the upside potential)

************

Near-shore locations offer workers at wages lower than the US' though not as
low as India's. According to Trammell Crow, typical hourly wages in US dollars
are $2.50-$3 in Jamaica and $5-$7 in Canada compared to $7.50-$14 in
the US. In contrast, India's typical hourly wages in US dollars are just $1-$2.

****************

Liberal Racist?
 

1) Your data does not change the basic idea behind what Gould said. Those
people are still paid a LOT less than comparable workers here.

2) Their comparable purchasing power is not relevant to this discussion.
We're not talking about how bad we feel (or not) about their wages. The
point is that we're stuck with lousy service because American companies are
unwilling to pay what it takes to provide complete and proper support.


"John Smith" wrote in message
news:zVTGc.37658$MB3.18218@attbi_s04...
Doug,

I think you missed the point of my posts, so often rumors and incorrect
data
is transmitted as fact on the internet. According to the Times of India,
they are on the verge of increasing the minimum wage from their current
rate
of Rs 64.72/hr (or approx. $1.50/hr). According to those in the Telephone
Service Industry promoting outsourcing of jobs, the average wage for
telephone service center operators is $2 to $3/hr which equals $4160 -
$6240
annual income, well above the average income in the US, when comparing the
purchasing power of their income ( $2900 in India is equal to the average
income in the US.)

So if you want your argument to carry weight it is best to use accurate
info, instead of repeating rumors and incorrect data.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:fbTGc.6642$WX.211@attbi_s51...
Gould,

Thanks for the suggestion, but I was hoping you would have followed up
on
some of the links yourself to see that they really do not pay call
center
employees $1 / hr.

Chuck has a job. You want a secretary? Hire one.

Liberal Racist?
 

Gould 0738 wrote:

PS - According to the CIA World Fact book, for someone in India to earn as
much purchasing power as the average worker in the US, they must earn $2900
per year.

That's $1.45 an hour, assuming the Indian workers do 5 (8-hr) days per week
(not more) and get two weeks of unpaid vacation.

You think the Indian government enforces some sort of wage-hour laws?
Our government barely does so.

Liberal Racist?
 

And, more important than us having poor service, AMERICAN ARE OUT OF WORK
because companies can save a buck by sending American jobs overseas.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

1) Your data does not change the basic idea behind what Gould said. Those
people are still paid a LOT less than comparable workers here.

2) Their comparable purchasing power is not relevant to this discussion.
We're not talking about how bad we feel (or not) about their wages. The
point is that we're stuck with lousy service because American companies
are
unwilling to pay what it takes to provide complete and proper support.


"John Smith" wrote in message
news:zVTGc.37658$MB3.18218@attbi_s04...
Doug,

I think you missed the point of my posts, so often rumors and incorrect
data
is transmitted as fact on the internet. According to the Times of
India,
they are on the verge of increasing the minimum wage from their current
rate
of Rs 64.72/hr (or approx. $1.50/hr). According to those in the
Telephone
Service Industry promoting outsourcing of jobs, the average wage for
telephone service center operators is $2 to $3/hr which equals $4160 -
$6240
annual income, well above the average income in the US, when comparing
the
purchasing power of their income ( $2900 in India is equal to the
average
income in the US.)

So if you want your argument to carry weight it is best to use accurate
info, instead of repeating rumors and incorrect data.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:fbTGc.6642$WX.211@attbi_s51...
Gould,

Thanks for the suggestion, but I was hoping you would have followed
up
on
some of the links yourself to see that they really do not pay call
center
employees $1 / hr.

Chuck has a job. You want a secretary? Hire one.

Liberal Racist?
 

Gould, the fact that a search engine shows 807 links, does not mean those
links are correct. If you type in "Kerry eats ****" in MSN search engine,
it shows 4038 links.

The facts are that the average telephone worker in India earns much more (in
purchasing power), than the average worker in the US. The problem is in the
exchange rate, and an isolationist policy or implementing a restrictive
tariff on all goods and services imported into the US will not correct this
problem or be of any benefit the US economy or it's work force. The vast
majority of economist, both liberal and conservative economist believe that
free and open trade between countries will benefit the US and it's work
force.



"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
PS - According to the CIA World Fact book, for someone in India to earn
as
much purchasing power as the average worker in the US, they must earn
$2900
per year.

That's $1.45 an hour, assuming the Indian workers do 5 (8-hr) days per
week
(not more) and get two weeks of unpaid vacation.

I provide 807 links that establish a typical pay rate of $1 per hour,
check a
few to verify, and you fault my research?

Here's a face-saving fig leaf for ya. A cut n paste from one article that
says
some wages in India can be as high as $2......
thereby ripping the heart out of my assertion that the Indian call center
employees are working more cheaply than any American can afford to.
(Typical
liberal. Bemoans that no American can exist on $40 a week, when the facts
are
that a very industrious worker with a little seniority and a willingness
to
assume some management responsibility can eventually hope to rise to $80 a
week. Instead of one corn dog a week, the industrious worker will be able
to
have a tank of gas, a six pack of beer, and a corn dog *every day*! Woo
hoo!
Watch those damn liberals, they refuse to see the upside potential)

************

Near-shore locations offer workers at wages lower than the US' though not
as
low as India's. According to Trammell Crow, typical hourly wages in US
dollars
are $2.50-$3 in Jamaica and $5-$7 in Canada compared to $7.50-$14 in
the US. In contrast, India's typical hourly wages in US dollars are just
$1-$2.

****************

Liberal Racist?
 

According to the BBC survey of telephone support by country, those based in
the US provided the lowest quality. They rated those based in Europe as
having the best quality, and the rated India's quality in the middle.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

1) Your data does not change the basic idea behind what Gould said. Those
people are still paid a LOT less than comparable workers here.

2) Their comparable purchasing power is not relevant to this discussion.
We're not talking about how bad we feel (or not) about their wages. The
point is that we're stuck with lousy service because American companies
are
unwilling to pay what it takes to provide complete and proper support.


"John Smith" wrote in message
news:zVTGc.37658$MB3.18218@attbi_s04...
Doug,

I think you missed the point of my posts, so often rumors and incorrect
data
is transmitted as fact on the internet. According to the Times of
India,
they are on the verge of increasing the minimum wage from their current
rate
of Rs 64.72/hr (or approx. $1.50/hr). According to those in the
Telephone
Service Industry promoting outsourcing of jobs, the average wage for
telephone service center operators is $2 to $3/hr which equals $4160 -
$6240
annual income, well above the average income in the US, when comparing
the
purchasing power of their income ( $2900 in India is equal to the
average
income in the US.)

So if you want your argument to carry weight it is best to use accurate
info, instead of repeating rumors and incorrect data.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:fbTGc.6642$WX.211@attbi_s51...
Gould,

Thanks for the suggestion, but I was hoping you would have followed
up
on
some of the links yourself to see that they really do not pay call
center
employees $1 / hr.

Chuck has a job. You want a secretary? Hire one.

Liberal Racist?
 

PS - According to Carnegie Mellon's Software Engineering Institute, the
quality of some of India's telephone support in the software field, is the
best in the world. They state that quality of support personnel is one of
the key factors for the export of jobs to India.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

1) Your data does not change the basic idea behind what Gould said. Those
people are still paid a LOT less than comparable workers here.

2) Their comparable purchasing power is not relevant to this discussion.
We're not talking about how bad we feel (or not) about their wages. The
point is that we're stuck with lousy service because American companies
are
unwilling to pay what it takes to provide complete and proper support.


"John Smith" wrote in message
news:zVTGc.37658$MB3.18218@attbi_s04...
Doug,

I think you missed the point of my posts, so often rumors and incorrect
data
is transmitted as fact on the internet. According to the Times of
India,
they are on the verge of increasing the minimum wage from their current
rate
of Rs 64.72/hr (or approx. $1.50/hr). According to those in the
Telephone
Service Industry promoting outsourcing of jobs, the average wage for
telephone service center operators is $2 to $3/hr which equals $4160 -
$6240
annual income, well above the average income in the US, when comparing
the
purchasing power of their income ( $2900 in India is equal to the
average
income in the US.)

So if you want your argument to carry weight it is best to use accurate
info, instead of repeating rumors and incorrect data.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:fbTGc.6642$WX.211@attbi_s51...
Gould,

Thanks for the suggestion, but I was hoping you would have followed
up
on
some of the links yourself to see that they really do not pay call
center
employees $1 / hr.

Chuck has a job. You want a secretary? Hire one.

Liberal Racist?
 

Gould, the fact that a search engine shows 807 links, does not mean those
links are correct.

The random examples I checked confirmed the $1/ hour typical wage.

No. I did not follow all 807 links.

The facts are that the average telephone worker in India earns much more (in
purchasing power), than the average worker in the US.

Have we shifted to relative purchasing power? I misunderstood our discussion to
be centered upon the truth or fiction of the statement that wages in Indian
call centers
are about $1 an hour US.



The problem is in the
exchange rate, and an isolationist policy or implementing a restrictive
tariff on all goods and services imported into the US will not correct this
problem or be of any benefit the US economy or it's work force.

I agree. It would be unrealistic to expect most corporations to avoid the race
to the bottom, wage wise. Sometimes being competitive means seeking out the
lowest common denominator and hanging on for dear life.

Those Indians will soon discover what most of the offshore boat building
countries have experienced in the last 15 or 20 years. As soon as the wages
rise a little bit, the corporations will bail out of India
as if the place had a contagious disease.
If some county 1000 miles away will work for 50-cents and hour rather than a
buck,
he whole kit and kaboodle will upsticks and move.