WARNING:

Don't buy anything from American Marine and Motorsports in Shawano ,
Wisconsin.

I bought a boat that they promised to deliver in 5 days. When in fact they
knew they could not deliver it on time because the motor was backordered for
1 to 2 months. The day it was to be delivered, I called and asked what
time, they told me they would find out and call me back. They never called
back. I called a number of times, and was put on hold everytime and no one
ever answered. I finally talked to a manager and they told me they had no
idea when the motor would be available and it could be months. They cashed
my check immediately after I called about the delivery, so I could not put a
stop payment on the check. I'm still waiting for either my money back, or
to talk to someone about a different motor. But, no one will talk to me.

So, buyer beware.

One thing I learned is to get serial numbers from all the items involved in
a purchase of this type, that way you can verify the items are in stock.

CB

Sounds like a good time to consult a lawyer. At least you'll know your
options.

"Don White" wrote in message
...

Sounds like a good time to consult a lawyer. At least you'll know your
options.



Tomorrow is Saturday. Should be a busy day for a boat dealer. Stop a cop on
the street and tell him you're going to the dealership to spend the day
there YELLING REALLY LOUD ABOUT WHAT ASSHOLES THEY ARE. Tell him he might
want to follow you there to make sure nobody physically injures you. If the
dealer takes you to his bank for a cashier's check, maybe you will stop
YELLING REALLY LOUD IN FRONT OF ALL HIS CUSTOMERS.

Ya know this (or a minor variation) works. Several years
ago I was in a local car dealer (Patrick) haggling over a
car. It became obvious that we were not about to come to
agreement, so I politely told the salesman such, and asked
for my car keys back (the trade in evaluation), He changed
the subject, and we went back and forth for a minute or 2.
I became insistent, finally asking if he wanted a scene, and
yet again he avoided my question. I jumped up, overturned
the table, and shouted at the top of my voice that he ahd
the dealer were G.D. Thieves and that unless I had my keys
in 10 seconds, I was calling the police and reporting it
stolen/ I followed the salesman to the managers office
swearing all the way, and got my keys without incident.
This was also on a Saturday with a full showroom.

Sometimes it helps to make a little noise.
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

Sounds like a good time to consult a lawyer. At least you'll know your
options.




Tomorrow is Saturday. Should be a busy day for a boat dealer. Stop a cop on
the street and tell him you're going to the dealership to spend the day
there YELLING REALLY LOUD ABOUT WHAT ASSHOLES THEY ARE. Tell him he might
want to follow you there to make sure nobody physically injures you. If the
dealer takes you to his bank for a cashier's check, maybe you will stop
YELLING REALLY LOUD IN FRONT OF ALL HIS CUSTOMERS.

It had to be FUN also!

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Ya know this (or a minor variation) works. Several years
ago I was in a local car dealer (Patrick) haggling over a
car. It became obvious that we were not about to come to
agreement, so I politely told the salesman such, and asked
for my car keys back (the trade in evaluation), He changed
the subject, and we went back and forth for a minute or 2.
I became insistent, finally asking if he wanted a scene, and
yet again he avoided my question. I jumped up, overturned
the table, and shouted at the top of my voice that he ahd
the dealer were G.D. Thieves and that unless I had my keys
in 10 seconds, I was calling the police and reporting it
stolen/ I followed the salesman to the managers office
swearing all the way, and got my keys without incident.
This was also on a Saturday with a full showroom.

Sometimes it helps to make a little noise.
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

Sounds like a good time to consult a lawyer. At least you'll know your
options.




Tomorrow is Saturday. Should be a busy day for a boat dealer. Stop a cop
on
the street and tell him you're going to the dealership to spend the day
there YELLING REALLY LOUD ABOUT WHAT ASSHOLES THEY ARE. Tell him he
might
want to follow you there to make sure nobody physically injures you. If
the
dealer takes you to his bank for a cashier's check, maybe you will stop
YELLING REALLY LOUD IN FRONT OF ALL HIS CUSTOMERS.

"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 04:26:53 GMT, Jim wrote:

Ya know this (or a minor variation) works. Several years
ago I was in a local car dealer (Patrick) haggling over a
car. It became obvious that we were not about to come to
agreement, so I politely told the salesman such, and asked
for my car keys back (the trade in evaluation), He changed
the subject, and we went back and forth for a minute or 2.
I became insistent, finally asking if he wanted a scene, and
yet again he avoided my question. I jumped up, overturned
the table, and shouted at the top of my voice that he ahd
the dealer were G.D. Thieves and that unless I had my keys
in 10 seconds, I was calling the police and reporting it
stolen/ I followed the salesman to the managers office
swearing all the way, and got my keys without incident.
This was also on a Saturday with a full showroom.

Sometimes it helps to make a little noise.

or act like an immature idiot.

The OP is out thousands of dollars while the dealer tries to fix his broken
credit with the engine supplier. What would YOU do in the customer's
situation, you putz?

WaIIy wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:36:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"WaIIy" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 04:26:53 GMT, Jim wrote:

Ya know this (or a minor variation) works. Several years
ago I was in a local car dealer (Patrick) haggling over a
car. It became obvious that we were not about to come to
agreement, so I politely told the salesman such, and asked
for my car keys back (the trade in evaluation), He changed
the subject, and we went back and forth for a minute or 2.
I became insistent, finally asking if he wanted a scene, and
yet again he avoided my question. I jumped up, overturned
the table, and shouted at the top of my voice that he ahd
the dealer were G.D. Thieves and that unless I had my keys
in 10 seconds, I was calling the police and reporting it
stolen/ I followed the salesman to the managers office
swearing all the way, and got my keys without incident.
This was also on a Saturday with a full showroom.

Sometimes it helps to make a little noise.

or act like an immature idiot.

The OP is out thousands of dollars while the dealer tries to fix his broken
credit with the engine supplier. What would YOU do in the customer's
situation, you putz?


What would a putz do?

Well, he would overturn a table in a car dealership because he couldn't
control his childish emotions.

People never cease to cause me to shake my head.


Too much head-shaking, Wally, and you end up brain-damaged, like Tuuk
and Dubya.

WaIIy wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:36:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"WaIIy" wrote in message
. ..

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 04:26:53 GMT, Jim wrote:


Ya know this (or a minor variation) works. Several years
ago I was in a local car dealer (Patrick) haggling over a
car. It became obvious that we were not about to come to
agreement, so I politely told the salesman such, and asked
for my car keys back (the trade in evaluation), He changed
the subject, and we went back and forth for a minute or 2.
I became insistent, finally asking if he wanted a scene, and
yet again he avoided my question. I jumped up, overturned
the table, and shouted at the top of my voice that he ahd
the dealer were G.D. Thieves and that unless I had my keys
in 10 seconds, I was calling the police and reporting it
stolen/ I followed the salesman to the managers office
swearing all the way, and got my keys without incident.
This was also on a Saturday with a full showroom.

Sometimes it helps to make a little noise.

or act like an immature idiot.

The OP is out thousands of dollars while the dealer tries to fix his broken
credit with the engine supplier. What would YOU do in the customer's
situation, you putz?



What would a putz do?

Well, he would overturn a table in a car dealership because he couldn't
control his childish emotions.

People never cease to cause me to shake my head.

Shake your head all you want -- but I got my keys back
within the 10 seconds I demanded. I hope I squelched a
couple of sales from those watching. I was in control at
all times, and in fact warned the salesman that I was about
to make a scene. What happened was his choice. Had he
accepted that we were not about to come to terms and
returned the keys like a gentleman, I would have thanked him
and walked away quietly.

I suppose you would have sat there and cried or something?

I can see you have never had this happen to you.

I was at a chrysler dealership years ago where the Sales Manager kept my
keys (which i dumbly gave up for the old "let us drive test your potential
tradein to determine its value") on his credenza behind his desk.

When the Sales Associate couldn't produce the keys when I told him I wasn't
purchasing any car from them, I demanded to know where the keys were.
Eventually he told me the Sales Manager had them.

I immediately went to the Sales Managers office to get my keys when he
expressed "tell us what it will take to get you to drive out of here tonight
with a new car". I told him "give my my keys now or I am coming over your
desk". He replied with "sir, I can see you are not serious about purchasing
a new car tonight, what can we do to change your mind". I made a move
towards his desk, and he immediately turned around and gave me my keys back.

BELIEVE ME.....THIS CAN REALLY HAPPEN. In the mean time, they had some
poor woman in the next office in tears using the same tactic. Sad...really
sad.

Being childish has nothing to do with these sales a**holes. They only
understand aggression. If you are passive, they will eat you alive.

"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:36:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"WaIIy" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 04:26:53 GMT, Jim wrote:

Ya know this (or a minor variation) works. Several years
ago I was in a local car dealer (Patrick) haggling over a
car. It became obvious that we were not about to come to
agreement, so I politely told the salesman such, and asked
for my car keys back (the trade in evaluation), He changed
the subject, and we went back and forth for a minute or 2.
I became insistent, finally asking if he wanted a scene, and
yet again he avoided my question. I jumped up, overturned
the table, and shouted at the top of my voice that he ahd
the dealer were G.D. Thieves and that unless I had my keys
in 10 seconds, I was calling the police and reporting it
stolen/ I followed the salesman to the managers office
swearing all the way, and got my keys without incident.
This was also on a Saturday with a full showroom.

Sometimes it helps to make a little noise.

or act like an immature idiot.

The OP is out thousands of dollars while the dealer tries to fix his
broken
credit with the engine supplier. What would YOU do in the customer's
situation, you putz?


What would a putz do?

Well, he would overturn a table in a car dealership because he couldn't
control his childish emotions.

People never cease to cause me to shake my head.

You sell cars for a living Wally?

WaIIy wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:36:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"WaIIy" wrote in message
. ..

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 04:26:53 GMT, Jim wrote:


Ya know this (or a minor variation) works. Several years
ago I was in a local car dealer (Patrick) haggling over a
car. It became obvious that we were not about to come to
agreement, so I politely told the salesman such, and asked
for my car keys back (the trade in evaluation), He changed
the subject, and we went back and forth for a minute or 2.
I became insistent, finally asking if he wanted a scene, and
yet again he avoided my question. I jumped up, overturned
the table, and shouted at the top of my voice that he ahd
the dealer were G.D. Thieves and that unless I had my keys
in 10 seconds, I was calling the police and reporting it
stolen/ I followed the salesman to the managers office
swearing all the way, and got my keys without incident.
This was also on a Saturday with a full showroom.

Sometimes it helps to make a little noise.

or act like an immature idiot.

The OP is out thousands of dollars while the dealer tries to fix his broken
credit with the engine supplier. What would YOU do in the customer's
situation, you putz?



What would a putz do?

Well, he would overturn a table in a car dealership because he couldn't
control his childish emotions.

People never cease to cause me to shake my head.