They are both right, it was the infamous Al Qaeda White Terrorist.

--

Starbuck

One nice thing about egotists: they don't talk about other people.
"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Starbuck" wrote in message
...
NYOB,
Hurricane Katrina was a terrorist sneak attack.

But Farrakhan said that the whiteys did it:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...4/201055.shtml

wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
wrote:
NOYB wrote:

I Will Rebuild With You, Mr. President

By Donna Brazile
Saturday, September 17, 2005; A21



New Orleans is my hometown. It is the place where I grew up, where my
family
still lives. For me, it is a place of comfort and memories. It is
home.

Now my home needs your help, and the help of every American. Much of
my
city
is still underwater. Its historical buildings have been wrecked, its
famous
streets turned to rivers and, worst of all, so many of its wonderful
people -- including members of my own family and my neighbors -- have
lost
everything.

On Thursday night President Bush spoke to the nation from my city. I
am
not
a Republican. I did not vote for George W. Bush -- in fact, I worked
pretty
hard against him in 2000 and 2004. But on Thursday night, after
watching
him
speak from the heart, I could not have been prouder of the president
and
the
plan he outlined to empower those who lost everything and to rebuild
the
Gulf Coast.

Bush called on every American to stand up and support the rebuilding
of
the
region. He told us that New Orleans and the entire Gulf Coast would
rise
from the ruins stronger than before. He enunciated something that we
all
need to remember: This is America. We are not immune to tragedy here,
but
we
are strong because of our industriousness, our ingenuity and, most
important, because of our compassion for one another. We are a nation
of
rebuilders and a nation of givers. We do not give up in the face of
tragedy,
we stand up, and we reach out to help those who cannot stand up on
their
own.

The president called on every American to reach out to my neighbors in
New
Orleans and throughout the Gulf Coast. The great people of this
country
have
already opened their hearts in the immediate aftermath of the storm,
and
their tremendous generosity has done more than just provide extra
comfort --
it has saved lives. Now the crisis of survival is over. But the task
of
rebuilding remains, and the president made it clear that every single
one
of
us has a role to play.

Each of us belongs to some group -- a church, a union or a fraternal
organization, or even a book club -- that can make a difference. It is
those
groups that can pool resources and then reach out to their
counterparts
in
the stricken states and ask, "What can we do?" Schools, Girl Scout
troops,
Rotary clubs -- this is the time for every community group to step
forward
to lend a helping hand. We need it.

The president also laid out the federal government's goal for
rebuilding.
It
is unprecedented in its scope and ambition, matching destruction that
is
unprecedented as well. He made the challenge clear: This will be one
of
the
biggest reconstruction projects in history. But he also made it clear
that
we can and will do this. New Orleans, Biloxi, all of the Gulf Coast
will
rise again. And the residents are ready to pitch in and do their part.

I know, maybe better than anyone, that there are times when it seems
that
our nation is too divided ever to heal. There are times when we feel
so
different from each other that we can hardly believe that we are all
part
of
the same family. But we are one nation. We are a family. And this is
what
we
do. When the president asked us to pitch in Thursday night, he wasn't
really
asking us to do anything spectacular. He was asking us to be
Americans,
and
to do what Americans always do.

The president has set a national goal and defined a national purpose.
This
is something I believe with all my heart: When we are united, nothing
can
stop us. We will not waver, we will not tire, and we will not stop
until
the
streets are clean, every last brick has been replaced and every last
family
has its home back.

Bush talked about how we bury our family and friends. We grieve and
mourn.
We march to a solemn song and then we rejoice and step out and form
the
second line. That line is now open to every American to join us in
rebuilding a great region of this country. New Orleans will rise
again.
My
hometown is down but not out, and with the help of every American, it
will
be back on its feet, bigger and brighter than ever.

Mr. President, I am ready for duty. I am ready to stir those old pots
again.
Let's roll up our sleeves and get to work.

The writer, a Democratic political consultant, managed Al Gore's 2000
presidential campaign.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



I've got a great idea:

Let's rebuild the Gulf Coast (estimated cost about $150 billion, and
growing) with the money we're sending to Iraq. We can continue funding
the Iraq war with "faith based contributions" (amount collected from
pirvate charities and churches so far is about 3/4 of one billion). At
the rate we're going, we'll never get enough faith-based contribuitons
to do the rebuild, but we're spending that much in Iraq every 90 days.

So, instead of gutting the treasury to build roads, schools,
hospitals,
etc in Iraq let's use that money to rebuild the Gulf Coast. Bush can
still have his war, he'll just have to rely on
the generous spirit of the American people and faith-based
contributions. :-)

Very good...those who really want the war can pay for it. I'd vote for
that.

And those who don't want the war can reap the likely repercussions:
higher
gas prices and your friendly Islamic terrorist car-bombing in the
downtown
local schoolyard or police station.


NOYB, you are always so refreshingly honest and once again you do not
let us down.
Thank you for admitting that the war in Iraq is primarily about the
price of gas, and a fear that if we don't kill enough of our
unidentifiable enemies fast enough that they will come here and
do the same to us.

What did you think it was about Chuck. It has always been about insuring the
flow of oil from the region to the US of A.

As for the price of gas: we just had a fabulous demonstration of where
the culprits lie. What was that state back east that temporarily
removed a 16-cent gas tax, (to help bring down the cost of gas to the
public) only to have the refineries *raise* the price of gas 14-cents
in response? Don't see too many Arabs involved in that one, do we?

Gass in my area has droppd 35 cents in the last 6 days.

As far as the terrorists go; there are far more now than when we
invaded Iraq. We have created them faster than we have killed them.
While you might argue, "but they're all in Iraq......" don't forget
that it takes less than 2-dozen of these guys to bring down the WTC,
attack the Pentagon, and crash a jetliner. Thanks to Bush's policy and
the disinformation that rallied a fearful nation to war there are more
terrorists now than ever before. Even if 98% of them are in Iraq and 2%
of them are in the US, we're in deep krapperoo.

There are no more terrorists now than there were prior to 9/11.

I think we're all reaping the very real repercussions- and a darn shame
it is, too.

Believe what you want!

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
PocoLoco wrote:
On 18 Sep 2005 09:41:56 -0700, wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
wrote:
NOYB wrote:

I Will Rebuild With You, Mr. President

By Donna Brazile
Saturday, September 17, 2005; A21



New Orleans is my hometown. It is the place where I grew up, where
my
family
still lives. For me, it is a place of comfort and memories. It is
home.

Now my home needs your help, and the help of every American. Much
of my
city
is still underwater. Its historical buildings have been wrecked,
its
famous
streets turned to rivers and, worst of all, so many of its
wonderful
people -- including members of my own family and my neighbors --
have
lost
everything.

On Thursday night President Bush spoke to the nation from my city.
I am
not
a Republican. I did not vote for George W. Bush -- in fact, I
worked
pretty
hard against him in 2000 and 2004. But on Thursday night, after
watching
him
speak from the heart, I could not have been prouder of the
president and
the
plan he outlined to empower those who lost everything and to
rebuild the
Gulf Coast.

Bush called on every American to stand up and support the
rebuilding of
the
region. He told us that New Orleans and the entire Gulf Coast
would rise
from the ruins stronger than before. He enunciated something that
we all
need to remember: This is America. We are not immune to tragedy
here, but
we
are strong because of our industriousness, our ingenuity and, most
important, because of our compassion for one another. We are a
nation of
rebuilders and a nation of givers. We do not give up in the face
of
tragedy,
we stand up, and we reach out to help those who cannot stand up on
their
own.

The president called on every American to reach out to my
neighbors in
New
Orleans and throughout the Gulf Coast. The great people of this
country
have
already opened their hearts in the immediate aftermath of the
storm, and
their tremendous generosity has done more than just provide extra
comfort --
it has saved lives. Now the crisis of survival is over. But the
task of
rebuilding remains, and the president made it clear that every
single one
of
us has a role to play.

Each of us belongs to some group -- a church, a union or a
fraternal
organization, or even a book club -- that can make a difference.
It is
those
groups that can pool resources and then reach out to their
counterparts
in
the stricken states and ask, "What can we do?" Schools, Girl Scout
troops,
Rotary clubs -- this is the time for every community group to step
forward
to lend a helping hand. We need it.

The president also laid out the federal government's goal for
rebuilding.
It
is unprecedented in its scope and ambition, matching destruction
that is
unprecedented as well. He made the challenge clear: This will be
one of
the
biggest reconstruction projects in history. But he also made it
clear
that
we can and will do this. New Orleans, Biloxi, all of the Gulf
Coast will
rise again. And the residents are ready to pitch in and do their
part.

I know, maybe better than anyone, that there are times when it
seems that
our nation is too divided ever to heal. There are times when we
feel so
different from each other that we can hardly believe that we are
all part
of
the same family. But we are one nation. We are a family. And this
is what
we
do. When the president asked us to pitch in Thursday night, he
wasn't
really
asking us to do anything spectacular. He was asking us to be
Americans,
and
to do what Americans always do.

The president has set a national goal and defined a national
purpose.
This
is something I believe with all my heart: When we are united,
nothing can
stop us. We will not waver, we will not tire, and we will not stop
until
the
streets are clean, every last brick has been replaced and every
last
family
has its home back.

Bush talked about how we bury our family and friends. We grieve
and
mourn.
We march to a solemn song and then we rejoice and step out and
form the
second line. That line is now open to every American to join us in
rebuilding a great region of this country. New Orleans will rise
again.
My
hometown is down but not out, and with the help of every American,
it
will
be back on its feet, bigger and brighter than ever.

Mr. President, I am ready for duty. I am ready to stir those old
pots
again.
Let's roll up our sleeves and get to work.

The writer, a Democratic political consultant, managed Al Gore's
2000
presidential campaign.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've got a great idea:

Let's rebuild the Gulf Coast (estimated cost about $150 billion,
and
growing) with the money we're sending to Iraq. We can continue
funding
the Iraq war with "faith based contributions" (amount collected
from
pirvate charities and churches so far is about 3/4 of one billion).
At
the rate we're going, we'll never get enough faith-based
contribuitons
to do the rebuild, but we're spending that much in Iraq every 90
days.

So, instead of gutting the treasury to build roads, schools,
hospitals,
etc in Iraq let's use that money to rebuild the Gulf Coast. Bush
can
still have his war, he'll just have to rely on
the generous spirit of the American people and faith-based
contributions. :-)

Very good...those who really want the war can pay for it. I'd vote
for
that.
And those who don't want the war can reap the likely repercussions:
higher
gas prices and your friendly Islamic terrorist car-bombing in the
downtown
local schoolyard or police station.
NOYB, you are always so refreshingly honest and once again you do not
let us down.
Thank you for admitting that the war in Iraq is primarily about the
price of gas, and a fear that if we don't kill enough of our
unidentifiable enemies fast enough that they will come here and
do the same to us.

As for the price of gas: we just had a fabulous demonstration of where
the culprits lie. What was that state back east that temporarily
removed a 16-cent gas tax, (to help bring down the cost of gas to the
public) only to have the refineries *raise* the price of gas 14-cents
in response? Don't see too many Arabs involved in that one, do we?

As far as the terrorists go; there are far more now than when we
invaded Iraq. We have created them faster than we have killed them.
While you might argue, "but they're all in Iraq......" don't forget
that it takes less than 2-dozen of these guys to bring down the WTC,
attack the Pentagon, and crash a jetliner. Thanks to Bush's policy and
the disinformation that rallied a fearful nation to war there are more
terrorists now than ever before. Even if 98% of them are in Iraq and
2%
of them are in the US, we're in deep krapperoo.

I think we're all reaping the very real repercussions- and a darn
shame
it is, too.
Chuck, would you say there would be no more terrorism if not for Bush?

There likely would be less.

Less than zero? As in zero attacks on the US since 9/11?


We haven't been attacked again on US soil because Osama hasn't wanted
to...yet. We have been attacked abroad, and nearly 2000 Americans have
died in those attacks, plus tens of thousands of Iraqis and Afghanis have
also died.

Your comment stands as a perfect example of your naivete and the reason
why I don't really bother to engage you in these discussions. It may be a
tenet of right-wing litany that our war against Iraq has somehow
"prevented" additional attacks here, but no one with responsibility for
this nation's security, not even President Idiot himself, believes that.

From Bush's speech to the Air Force Academy in June, 2004:

" If America were not fighting terrorists in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and
elsewhere, what would these thousands of killers do, suddenly begin leading
productive lives of service and charity? Would the terrorists who beheaded
an American on camera just be quiet, peaceful citizens if America had not
liberated Iraq? We are dealing here with killers who have made the death of
Americans the calling of their lives. And America has made a decision about
these terrorists: Instead of waiting for them to strike again in our midst,
we will take this fight to the enemy. "
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In other words, Bush believes (as I do) that you're either going to engage
the terrorists over there or over here. But either way, a confrontation is
certain. I'd rather fight them over there.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:11:36 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


There are no more terrorists now than there were prior to 9/11.


Really? And just how would you know that? It seems the State Department
has stopped publishing "Patterns of Global Terrorism" when it found there
were more terrorist attacks in 2004, than in any year since 1985. Of
course, that doesn't mean there are more terrorists, it could mean, the
individual terrorists are just more successful. Either way, the world
*isn't* safer from terrorist attacks.

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/11407689.htm

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:11:36 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


There are no more terrorists now than there were prior to 9/11.


Really? And just how would you know that? It seems the State Department
has stopped publishing "Patterns of Global Terrorism" when it found there
were more terrorist attacks in 2004, than in any year since 1985. Of
course, that doesn't mean there are more terrorists, it could mean, the
individual terrorists are just more successful. Either way, the world
*isn't* safer from terrorist attacks.

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/11407689.htm

Statistics, eh? In Florida, we're in a fight with the Feds (NOAA
specifically) regarding the accuracy of the statistics used to determine the
2004 recreational red grouper catch. The Feds somehow managed to conclude
that twice as many red grouper were caught in 2004 than in 2003...despite 4
hurricanes virtually shutting down the two best months for grouper fishing
last year. Ergo, they've used the flawed data to tighten the recreational
catch limits and season.

Statistics can be easily manipulated in such a way that they don't actually
reflect reality.

Despite being smack dab in the middle of a global war on terrorism, we
haven't had a terrorist attack on US soil in over 4 years. To most
Americans, that's success.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:33:58 +0000, NOYB wrote:


In other words, Bush believes (as I do) that you're either going to engage
the terrorists over there or over here. But either way, a confrontation
is certain. I'd rather fight them over there.

In other words, it is just another mutated reason for the War in Iraq.
Seems, I remember it starting as the threat WMD posed to us. No WMD?
We're fighting to plant the seed of democracy. No democracy blooming?
Ah, it's better to fight terrorism over there, than over here. True
believer that you are, you've bit on all three, but, NOYB, all three
reasons are still bull****.

So, NOYB, do you think there is any chance the Iraqi Constitution will
pass the Oct. 15 referendum? I've been very impressed by the Iraqi
resiliency, but, unfortunately, if the referendum fails, and I think it
will, that resiliency may not be enough. IMO Civil War is lurking
ominously.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:34:19 +0000, NOYB wrote:


http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/11407689.htm

Statistics, eh? In Florida, we're in a fight with the Feds (NOAA
specifically) regarding the accuracy of the statistics used to determine
the 2004 recreational red grouper catch. The Feds somehow managed to
conclude that twice as many red grouper were caught in 2004 than in
2003...despite 4 hurricanes virtually shutting down the two best months
for grouper fishing last year. Ergo, they've used the flawed data to
tighten the recreational catch limits and season.

There's a big difference in counting thousands of fish, caught by
thousands of fishermen, and well documented "significant" terrorist
attacks. Oh, and attacks on American soldiers were not counted.

Statistics can be easily manipulated in such a way that they don't
actually reflect reality.

Sure, they can be. I clearly remember Bush using the 2003 numbers to
promote his election campaign. It was quite embarrassing for him, when
the numbers had to be upgraded, quite embarrassing.

Wade through the statistics, if you like:

http://www.mipt.org/Patterns-of-Global-Terrorism.asp

Despite being smack dab in the middle of a global war on terrorism, we
haven't had a terrorist attack on US soil in over 4 years. To most
Americans, that's success.

"You can fool . . ."

NOYB wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
PocoLoco wrote:
Of course, this is Bush's fault, because this lady, and those with
her, cannot
read a map.


What we have to do is get some of the old retired know-it-alls from
the Army to come in and setup facilities.

Yes! Get the useless o.f.'s like John Herring involved

US veterans? You're referring to them as o.f.'s (old ****s)?

And you have the audacity to call me a piece of crap?




Whatever else he is, Herring is an o.f. And I wasn't using the f*ck word,
you are.


o.f.=old ****, or old fart, or old fuddy-duddy, or....

It really doesn't matter. Your disdain for veterans (particularly from
Vietnam) is obvious.

Idiot, he wasn't calling any and all vetereans o.f., nor was he showing
disdain for them. He was, however, calling Herring an o.f., and he is!

NOYB wrote:
"Starbuck" wrote in message
...
NYOB,
Hurricane Katrina was a terrorist sneak attack.

But Farrakhan said that the whiteys did it:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...4/201055.shtml

No he didn't! But then, I've known that you aren't very good at
comprehending what you've read. What he said, which is a direct quote
from the very article that you gave a link to is this:

"I heard from a very reliable source who saw a 25 foot deep crater
under the levee breach," Farrakhan explained. "It may have been blown
up to destroy the black part of town and keep the white part dry."

Key word *may*. Nowhere did he say that "the whiteys did it".

wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"Starbuck" wrote in message
...
NYOB,
Hurricane Katrina was a terrorist sneak attack.

But Farrakhan said that the whiteys did it:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...4/201055.shtml

No he didn't! But then, I've known that you aren't very good at
comprehending what you've read. What he said, which is a direct quote
from the very article that you gave a link to is this:

"I heard from a very reliable source who saw a 25 foot deep crater
under the levee breach," Farrakhan explained. "It may have been blown
up to destroy the black part of town and keep the white part dry."

Key word *may*. Nowhere did he say that "the whiteys did it".


For your homework assignment, bassie, look up the words "implied" and
"inferred".