On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:58:36 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"PocoLoco" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:18:00 GMT, Don White
wrote:

Bryan wrote:
http://www.redcross.org/

I know that the rec.boats folks are good people.
Remember to do something to help. Whether it's $5, $10 or $10,000,
anything
will help.



It would have to be some organization other than the Red Cross.
In Canada, they were turfed from the blood collection service after the
'Tainted Blood Scandal'.
Wouldn't be so bad if someone was actually punished for their deeds in
that mess.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/taintedblood/

Try this one, Don. It's a religion based organization, but don't let that
stop
you. They do a lot of good.

http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/USNSAHome.htm
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

The Red Cross burned us during 9-11 but have cleaned up their act since
then.

BTW: It looks like our friends up north are really pitching in with
supplies and money....thanks Canada. ;-)


Amen to that! Another "Thank You" for Canada.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"PocoLoco" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:58:36 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"PocoLoco" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:18:00 GMT, Don White
wrote:

Bryan wrote:
http://www.redcross.org/

I know that the rec.boats folks are good people.
Remember to do something to help. Whether it's $5, $10 or $10,000,
anything
will help.



It would have to be some organization other than the Red Cross.
In Canada, they were turfed from the blood collection service after the
'Tainted Blood Scandal'.
Wouldn't be so bad if someone was actually punished for their deeds in
that mess.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/taintedblood/

Try this one, Don. It's a religion based organization, but don't let
that
stop
you. They do a lot of good.

http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/USNSAHome.htm
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

The Red Cross burned us during 9-11 but have cleaned up their act since
then.

BTW: It looks like our friends up north are really pitching in with
supplies and money....thanks Canada. ;-)


Amen to that! Another "Thank You" for Canada.
--
John H


I don't know who, or who isn't, helping us out, but I'm sure everyone that
can is doing what they can. So thanks to Canada and everyone else for the
help!
"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Bryan wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:58:36 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:18:00 GMT, Don White
wrote:


Bryan wrote:

http://www.redcross.org/

I know that the rec.boats folks are good people.
Remember to do something to help. Whether it's $5, $10 or $10,000,
anything
will help.



It would have to be some organization other than the Red Cross.
In Canada, they were turfed from the blood collection service after the
'Tainted Blood Scandal'.
Wouldn't be so bad if someone was actually punished for their deeds in
that mess.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/taintedblood/

Try this one, Don. It's a religion based organization, but don't let
that
stop
you. They do a lot of good.

http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/USNSAHome.htm
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

The Red Cross burned us during 9-11 but have cleaned up their act since
then.

BTW: It looks like our friends up north are really pitching in with
supplies and money....thanks Canada. ;-)


Amen to that! Another "Thank You" for Canada.
--
John H



I don't know who, or who isn't, helping us out, but I'm sure everyone that
can is doing what they can. So thanks to Canada and everyone else for the
help!


Here's one example of an organization with close ties to Louisiana who
will be raising money.
A large percentage of the Cajun population originated from the Acadian
Expulsion here in Nova Scotia.
http://www.groutyme.com/en/PRLouisianaHelp.cfm

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:50:44 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


Amen to that! Another "Thank You" for Canada.

And at least 24 other countries:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...from_abroa d/

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 07:00:36 -0400, thunder wrote:

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:50:44 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


Amen to that! Another "Thank You" for Canada.

And at least 24 other countries:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...from_abroa d/

Thanks, Thunder. I was looking for this yesterday, but couldn't find a list of
countries and offers.

I especially like the last line, which seems to be the general liberal viewpoint
on this group:

"Later, Chavez told Venezuelan television that Bush was a ''cowboy" and the
''king of vacations" who had failed to evacuate the population of New Orleans
before the hurricane hit."

....as though Bush could force evacuations!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 13:15:25 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


...as though Bush could force evacuations!

Uh, actually he could. I'm not saying he should have, but he definitely
could have.

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:41:46 -0400, thunder wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 13:15:25 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


...as though Bush could force evacuations!

Uh, actually he could. I'm not saying he should have, but he definitely
could have.

By declaring the Gulf Coast under a state of martial law? What about
enforcement? Could he, on his own, send in the US Army to enforce the law? Am I
totally wrong about the Posse Comitatus Act?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:09:53 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:41:46 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 13:15:25 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


...as though Bush could force evacuations!

Uh, actually he could. I'm not saying he should have, but he definitely
could have.

By declaring the Gulf Coast under a state of martial law? What about
enforcement? Could he, on his own, send in the US Army to enforce the law?
Am I totally wrong about the Posse Comitatus Act?

No, but you are limiting a President's options. He could have declared a
State of Emergency, federalized some National Guard units, and evacuated
New Orleans. Look, I'm not putting the blame for New Orleans on President
Bush. Everyone would like to see the suffering ended, but there is no
magic wand. The devastation is incredible, and of a huge magnitude. New
Orleans seems to be getting the major focus, but it is not the only
location devastated. This bureaucracy may be a little slow, but when it
comes to natural disasters I believe it does a pretty damn good job.

If I were to find fault, after the fact, it would be with New Orleans
evacuation planning, knowing full well that this was a probability.
Unfortunately, it wasn't a question of if, but when New Orleans was going
to take the hit.

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 20:21:37 -0400, thunder wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:09:53 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:41:46 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 13:15:25 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


...as though Bush could force evacuations!

Uh, actually he could. I'm not saying he should have, but he definitely
could have.

By declaring the Gulf Coast under a state of martial law? What about
enforcement? Could he, on his own, send in the US Army to enforce the law?
Am I totally wrong about the Posse Comitatus Act?

No, but you are limiting a President's options. He could have declared a
State of Emergency, federalized some National Guard units, and evacuated
New Orleans.

How? Is he suppose to use federalized National Guard units, which are now part
of the US Armed Forces, as law enforcement officers? Why didn't the governor of
Louisiana do that? Do you really think Bush, at the very onset, should have
overridden the authority of the governor?

Look, I'm not putting the blame for New Orleans on President
Bush. Everyone would like to see the suffering ended, but there is no
magic wand. The devastation is incredible, and of a huge magnitude. New
Orleans seems to be getting the major focus, but it is not the only
location devastated. This bureaucracy may be a little slow, but when it
comes to natural disasters I believe it does a pretty damn good job.

I agree. But in this case there are some pretty damn good reasons for the
slowness. Just look at the map of available roads in and out of NO.

If I were to find fault, after the fact, it would be with New Orleans
evacuation planning, knowing full well that this was a probability.
Unfortunately, it wasn't a question of if, but when New Orleans was going
to take the hit.

First responders are supposed to do just that, respond first. They're not
supposed to run, but I guess it's OK if the mayor has already run.

One does not start relief efforts without coordinating with the folks on the
scene. In this case, the folks on the scene had left!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."