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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:49:35 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:
Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:14:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Yeah, I mumbled something about that. I was told such were not unusual on inboard gas engines. I have no experience with modern gas inboards. I thought your fantasy boat had a diesel inboard, Harry. Guess it's hard to keep up with all the fantasies, eh. The memory is the second thing to go, and I've forgotten the first... Lloyd I have several boats, Lloyd, and, unlike your collection, mine has no junkers. But.. but... a gas INBOARD, Harry? Not an outboard? Say it ain't so, Harry - say it ain't so! Had some fun on my "junker" last weekend: 20-25kn SE, 4-6ft seas, crossed Georgia St averaging over 7 knots (and burned ZERO dinosaurs!) Oh, and when I did start the engine, it ran. Fine. No charging problems, unlike yours... Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" 1982 Catalina 36 |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:49:35 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:14:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Yeah, I mumbled something about that. I was told such were not unusual on inboard gas engines. I have no experience with modern gas inboards. I thought your fantasy boat had a diesel inboard, Harry. Guess it's hard to keep up with all the fantasies, eh. The memory is the second thing to go, and I've forgotten the first... Lloyd I have several boats, Lloyd, and, unlike your collection, mine has no junkers. ROTFLMAO. |
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"*JimH*" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:49:35 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:14:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Yeah, I mumbled something about that. I was told such were not unusual on inboard gas engines. I have no experience with modern gas inboards. I thought your fantasy boat had a diesel inboard, Harry. Guess it's hard to keep up with all the fantasies, eh. The memory is the second thing to go, and I've forgotten the first... Lloyd I have several boats, Lloyd, and, unlike your collection, mine has no junkers. ROTFLMAO. BTW: The laughter was aimed at you Krause. *Several* boats? Perhaps your modest 24 foot Parker , a canoe and a rowboat.....eh? I think Lloyd owns more boats than that. Hee-hee. |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... I'm no outboard guru, but that is a pretty stupid application of engineering if that is the way the thing works. Since this thing is a *regulator* is should regulate the current in the stator and thus regulate the amount of current generated..... not drop the voltage of an unregulated power source. Bear in mind that this is a 200hp (+-) modern engine not a 1962 10 hp model that was never designed with electronics, etc. in mind.... IMHO, this is probably more about using undersized solid state components that must be cooled to (1) maintain predictable design ohms and/or (2) keep from bursting into flame.... Maybe, but since it's called a voltage regulator I suspect it regulates voltage, not current. True, it does regulate current to the battery by limiting the applied voltage, thus less current flow. The excess voltage developed by the alternator has to be dropped and the power or wattage resulting generates heat. If it didn't get hot it would not be water cooled. Eisboch |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:59:58 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Wouldn't it make more sense to cut the source out of the system and let it idle until it's needed? It would mean that you would have the battery in the system acting as a supply and a buffer, but it would allow for free wheeliing the alternator gearing with a solenoid like you do with a truck air compressor or a AC compressor. If I'm understanding all this correctly, some do: http://www.marineparts.com/partspage.../470%20Kit.htm |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... If it works the way I suspect, there is no excessive voltage...... but, then.... If it didn't get hot it would not be water cooled. Agreed. -- Gene, I suspect your understanding of how it works is far more accurate than mine. (my electrical knowledge is very dated). Eisboch |
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Here's a real nutshell explaination.
Well, on an outboard, the Stator (winding) is made under the flywheel instead of being configured into abelt driven package. Instead of a field rotor, (automotive) the Yamaha has magnets mounted inside the flywheel to draw a field. the automotive alternator, is actually a 3-phase DC generator (for lack of better terms) while the outboard is 2 phase. they both do the same thing, jsut way different ways of doing it. Tim |
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Yes, the telltale that tells you whether the engine is being cooled
properly by raw water was clogged. The voltage regulator in the engine is WATER COOLER and draws its cooling water through the telltale plumbing. So the voltage regulator was NOT BEING COOLED properly and it reacted by giving me those voltage variant readings. After I stopped laughing, the service manager said, "No, I'm not kidding." Well, I have no reason to think he's lying...but it is among the ================================================== ============== Cripes! what will they think of next??? I can believe it! |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:25:26 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 29 Aug 2005 18:51:01 -0700, "Tim" wrote: I really don't think it's the VR/rectifier. But then again I deal with automotive which is a different system then outboards. Funny you should mention that. I know a mechanic who had a problem with a Honda 225 - couldn't find it. The documentation was sparse and the "factory" rep was really a salesman. He finally went down the street to a Honda dealership and "borrowed" a Honda engine guy - had it fixed in no time. :) That's pretty cool. I have heard that story from two other marina mechanics - apparently Honda takes the approach that "our engines never break, so why should we spend money on factory schools or service reps?" I've also heard, second hand so it's suspect but the source is reliable, that parts are a problem with Hondas for the same reason. Well, the boat dealer's assistant service manager called, and... this is hard to believe, but... The reason the voltmeter was giving flakey readings was because the cooling telltale (aka "the ****er") exiting the motor was "clogged." Say what? Yes, the telltale that tells you whether the engine is being cooled properly by raw water was clogged. The voltage regulator in the engine is WATER COOLER and draws its cooling water through the telltale plumbing. So the voltage regulator was NOT BEING COOLED properly and it reacted by giving me those voltage variant readings. After I stopped laughing, the service manager said, "No, I'm not kidding." Well, I have no reason to think he's lying...but it is among the weirdest things I've heard this week. Maybe he was trying to save you a dollar. Nobody would have guessed that as the answer. I still say WNL. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... If it works the way I suspect, there is no excessive voltage...... but, then.... If it didn't get hot it would not be water cooled. Agreed. -- Gene, I suspect your understanding of how it works is far more accurate than mine. (my electrical knowledge is very dated). Eisboch However, that kind of heat suggests the surplus energy from the generator is being dumped rather than the generator itself being regulated. I don't know, but that does seem to be a bit dated. -Raf -- Misifus- Rafael Seibert http://www.ralphandsue.com |
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