On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:59:26 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


In your wet dreams, perhaps. Bush no longer has the standing to wage a war
on trumped-up evidence. For him to do *anything* Iran, that country
would have to be taking blatant, overt actions that directly threaten the
United States, and for Bush to even suggest anything like that, he'd need
hard evidence.

I'm not so sure, Harry. Who's to stop him? Surely, not our gutless
Congress. Still, I don't see it happening. Iraq is keeping our military
rather occupied, and I don't see that situation changing anytime soon.

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
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"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
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And whomever buys that car will be bitching about the cost of gas, and
how
they can't afford to drive it. ; )

Dougie his showing his liebral roots......if soemone (or many) are willing
to buy "luxury pickup trucks" then that is between the individual and
the
company that makes it.

I have a lull in the phone action here, moron, so I'm going to clue you in
to something you haven't figured out yet. Hopefully, it'll come as such a
shock that it'll keep you busy for a week or three and we won't have to
listen to your drivel. Here goes:

Bigger motors make more fumes. When people buy stupid inappropriate vehicles
like a "luxury pickup truck", it affects EVERYONE. Even you and your kids or
grandkids.

"PocoLoco" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:52:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

Speaking of status symbols, I was just at the barber shop, browsing a car
magazine. Lincoln's selling what they call a "luxury pickup truck".
Someone
ought to be shot for that. You *know* they're not going to bought by
bricklayers & carpenters who are gonna beat the crap out of them. That
leaves.....well...you know who.

You've never taken your Cadillac Escalade offroading into the woods and
swamps?
Why pay 22,000 for an F150 when you can pay 40,000 for the Lincoln pickup?

In this case, we are in total agreement. But look at all the dumb ****s
that
bought Hummers. I wonder how many have ever left the pavement.

Around here, the Hummers are absolutely spotless and perfectly waxed. I have
*never* seen one that was dirty.

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
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"PocoLoco" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:52:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

Speaking of status symbols, I was just at the barber shop, browsing a
car
magazine. Lincoln's selling what they call a "luxury pickup truck".
Someone
ought to be shot for that. You *know* they're not going to bought by
bricklayers & carpenters who are gonna beat the crap out of them. That
leaves.....well...you know who.

You've never taken your Cadillac Escalade offroading into the woods and
swamps?
Why pay 22,000 for an F150 when you can pay 40,000 for the Lincoln
pickup?

In this case, we are in total agreement. But look at all the dumb ****s
that
bought Hummers. I wonder how many have ever left the pavement.

But it is THEIR choice.......I hope you don't prefer the guvmint dictate
what they buy.

Nobody said that, moron. Try reading more than one message so you can get
the hang of what people are talking about.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
.................snip............
He described recent US government actions as "aggressive" in a speech
at
a youth festival in Caracas.

As a result, Venezuelan oil "instead of going to the United States,
could go elsewhere," he said.
produces 80% of the world's supply.
...............snip..............
If Chavez turns off the spigot, you'll start to see violence at the gas
pump.
Harry.......You heard it first here! Venezuela will soon be attacked
by
the USA..........There will be some feeble excuse invented by the CIA
and
American troops will invade.

Nope. Iran is in the crosshairs right now.


In your wet dreams, perhaps. Bush no longer has the standing to wage a war
on trumped-up evidence. For him to do *anything* Iran, that country
would have to be taking blatant, overt actions that directly threaten the
United States, and for Bush to even suggest anything like that, he'd need
hard evidence.


....or an Iraqi/Iranian border dispute that escalates just a wee bit too
much.

First will come sharper sanctions, then a marine embargo, and then Iran
lashing out at us. We'll simply be reacting in self-defense.




Perhaps you, "Smithers," Robbins, Fritz, Calif Ill, Herring, and a few
other righties can volunteer yourselves into a platoon and head over to
the Middle East to stop some bullets for Dumb Boy Bush. Send me a postcard
from the front.

I don't believe we should occupy Iran. I think we should just completely
destroy their infrastructure, and make it impossible for them to arm
terrorists flooding into Iraq and Israel.

Dan J.S. wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Dan J.S. wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Regular grade gasoline was $3.05 a gallon yesterday at several docks in
Annapolis. Diesel was $2.61 to $2.65.

Thanks, Dubya.

If you really believe it's Bush's fault, you lost all credibility you
had.

Bad Policy Fuels High Prices

As millions of Americans hop in their cars for vacation, the average
price for a gallon of gas has spiked to $2.60 -- and many people are
paying more than $3.00 per gallon to fill their tank. While most
everyone is feeling the pinch, "for many lower-income people -- often
those who work in service jobs or are looking for work -- each new bump
up in price means altering daily routines, spending less on clothes and
food, and keeping the kids at home instead of driving them to the pool
or friends' houses." A big part of the problem is that, despite huge
advances in technology, "America's cars and trucks are significantly
less efficient, on average, than they were in the late 1980's," driving
up demand, and the price, for fuel. Meanwhile, the Bush administration
has staunchly resisted efforts to help solve the problem by improving
fuel efficiency standards. Now, all Americans are paying the price.

BUSH ADMINISTRATION CONCEALS FUEL ECONOMY REPORT: In late July, "the
Environmental Protection Agency made an 11th-hour decision...to delay
the planned release of an annual report on fuel economy." The decision
to block the release of the report was made "because it would have come
on the eve of a final vote in Congress on energy legislation." The
study showed that "the average 2004 model car or truck got 20.8 miles
per gallon, about 6 percent less than the 22.1 m.p.g. of the average
new vehicle sold in the late 1980's." Specifically, "the average 2004
model sold by Nissan, Hyundai and Volkswagen was at least a half-mile a
gallon less fuel-efficient than in the previous model year, a sharp
drop." (A report by Environmental Defense provides details for all
major manufacturers.) That wasn't news the Bush administration wanted
public to hear because the bill "largely ignore[d] auto mileage
regulations." Several Senators offered amendments "to strengthen fuel
economy standards for S.U.V.'s, minivans and pickups" but they were all
rejected. Bush signed the energy bill, which gave away billions to the
energy industry, on August 8. Even the administration acknowledges the
bill will do nothing to reduce gas prices.

FAST, FURIOUS AND GAS-GUZZLING: The failure to mandate the production
of more fuel efficient vehicles is a giant missed opportunity. There
have been "leaps in engine technology over the last couple of decades"
that could make cars much more efficient. But in the absence of
stricter efficiency standards, these gains "have been mostly used to
make cars faster." Also, since the early 1980s, "average new vehicle
weight has risen to about 4,000 pounds today, from about 3,200." During
that time "the horsepower of an average engine has roughly doubled over
two decades, trimming four seconds from the time it takes for the
average vehicle to accelerate from zero to 60."

KEEP ON TRUCKING: The key to avoiding fuel efficiency standards is to
classify every new and trendy "crossover" vehicle as a truck. Light
trucks "are held to a lower [average fuel efficiency] standard-20.7
mpg as of model year 2003, compared to 27.5 mpg for cars."
Manufacturers are also moving vehicles that were once classified as
cars to the truck class "to sell more of the large trucks on which
profit margins have been so high." Today "S.U.V.'s and other light-duty
vehicles account for 40 percent of the nation's oil use." With only the
smallest cars remaining in the "car class" there is no pressure to
improve the efficiency of those vehicles either. President Bush and the
Congress had the opportunity to close these loopholes and improve
overall efficiency in the energy bill, but didn't do it. New
regulations set to be released later this month will create up to five
classes of vehicles based on height and width. Dan Becker of the Sierra
Club says the upcoming proposal is "an invitation to game the system."

BUSH PROTECTS MASSIVE LOOPHOLE FOR HUMMERS: In 2003, President Bush
proposed extending "fuel economy regulations to include Hummer H2's and
other huge sport utility vehicles," which are now completely exempt. As
gas prices soar to record levels, the administration has abandoned the
proposal. The exemption applies to vehicles weighing over 8,500 pounds.
When it was created, "vehicles of that weight were generally used for
commercial purposes, but now hundreds of thousands sold each year are
intended for family use." The exemption, along with potential tax
breaks for consumers who purchase them, create "powerful incentives to
produce such vehicles."


By your logic then, all of Europe must have two or three times the bad
leadership that we have. And countries like Venezuela, where gas is 13 cents
a gallon must have the best leadership ever!

How about sticking to the facts of the article?

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:38:23 -0400, "P. Fritz"
wrote:


"PocoLoco" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:52:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

Speaking of status symbols, I was just at the barber shop, browsing a car
magazine. Lincoln's selling what they call a "luxury pickup truck".
Someone
ought to be shot for that. You *know* they're not going to bought by
bricklayers & carpenters who are gonna beat the crap out of them. That
leaves.....well...you know who.

You've never taken your Cadillac Escalade offroading into the woods and
swamps?
Why pay 22,000 for an F150 when you can pay 40,000 for the Lincoln pickup?

In this case, we are in total agreement. But look at all the dumb ****s
that
bought Hummers. I wonder how many have ever left the pavement.

But it is THEIR choice.......I hope you don't prefer the guvmint dictate
what they buy.


--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD


Absolutely not. As I tell my students, "All Americans have a constitutional
right to ignorance and stupidity!"

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:59:26 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


In your wet dreams, perhaps. Bush no longer has the standing to wage a
war
on trumped-up evidence. For him to do *anything* Iran, that country
would have to be taking blatant, overt actions that directly threaten the
United States, and for Bush to even suggest anything like that, he'd need
hard evidence.

I'm not so sure, Harry. Who's to stop him? Surely, not our gutless
Congress. Still, I don't see it happening. Iraq is keeping our military
rather occupied, and I don't see that situation changing anytime soon.

Hogwash. Iran is keeping our military occupied. It just so happens that
they're doing it in Iraq.

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
.................snip............
He described recent US government actions as "aggressive" in a speech
at
a youth festival in Caracas.

As a result, Venezuelan oil "instead of going to the United States,
could go elsewhere," he said.
produces 80% of the world's supply.
...............snip..............
If Chavez turns off the spigot, you'll start to see violence at the
gas
pump.
Harry.......You heard it first here! Venezuela will soon be
attacked
by
the USA..........There will be some feeble excuse invented by the CIA
and
American troops will invade.

Nope. Iran is in the crosshairs right now.


In your wet dreams, perhaps. Bush no longer has the standing to wage a
war
on trumped-up evidence. For him to do *anything* Iran, that country
would have to be taking blatant, overt actions that directly threaten
the
United States, and for Bush to even suggest anything like that, he'd
need
hard evidence.


...or an Iraqi/Iranian border dispute that escalates just a wee bit too
much.

First will come sharper sanctions, then a marine embargo, and then Iran
lashing out at us. We'll simply be reacting in self-defense.




Perhaps you, "Smithers," Robbins, Fritz, Calif Ill, Herring, and a few
other righties can volunteer yourselves into a platoon and head over to
the Middle East to stop some bullets for Dumb Boy Bush. Send me a
postcard
from the front.

I don't believe we should occupy Iran. I think we should just completely
destroy their infrastructure, and make it impossible for them to arm
terrorists flooding into Iraq and Israel.

harry must have missed this.............

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/op...ists/52321.htm

"PocoLoco" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:38:23 -0400, "P. Fritz"

wrote:


"PocoLoco" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:52:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

Speaking of status symbols, I was just at the barber shop, browsing a
car
magazine. Lincoln's selling what they call a "luxury pickup truck".
Someone
ought to be shot for that. You *know* they're not going to bought by
bricklayers & carpenters who are gonna beat the crap out of them. That
leaves.....well...you know who.

You've never taken your Cadillac Escalade offroading into the woods and
swamps?
Why pay 22,000 for an F150 when you can pay 40,000 for the Lincoln
pickup?

In this case, we are in total agreement. But look at all the dumb ****s
that
bought Hummers. I wonder how many have ever left the pavement.

But it is THEIR choice.......I hope you don't prefer the guvmint dictate
what they buy.


--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD


Absolutely not. As I tell my students, "All Americans have a
constitutional
right to ignorance and stupidity!"

BTW.....I agree the purchasing of a Hummer (or Escalade for that
matter....is not a smart decision by the majority of buyers......but then,
neither is most plastic surgery)


--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD