"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:57:28 -0700, Mr Wizzard wrote:


Not really a fair comparison, is it? For most of this century, the Arab
world was being pillaged by those industrialized countries.

Woe, woe, woe..... See? its *THIS* very (*VERY*) misguided
emotion-ridden mindsets that is at the *heart* of the entire issue.
Ain't nobody "pillaged" **** here buster! - No one came in by
force to "pillage" no oil from the Arabs. That an insult. What,
the South America countries were "pillaged" too? Man....
The Arab lands received a very lucrative profits from that oil.



For most of
this century, the Arab world were colonies of England and France or
part of the Ottoman Empire. Perhaps, a fairer question would be, what did
those industrial powers bring to the Arab world?

Wealth!!!! and LOTS of it too!. Take off them
rose-colored glasses - there is no shortage of flow
of money. And SEE? - this speaks DIRECTLY to
my point - they got SO much oil wealth for SO
little effort for SO long, that the incentives to do
anything else were vitually non existant.


I mean, besides death,
destruction, and absurd lines on a map.

"Absurd" lines on a map? Why are they
so "absurd"? What - should have just
been a free-for-all land grab ? So why is
it the fault of England, France, or Ottoman
empire for thease lines? - these Arab areas
could have done the same, they were not
handicaped in any way.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:57:26 -0700, Mr Wizzard wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:57:28 -0700, Mr Wizzard wrote:


Not really a fair comparison, is it? For most of this century, the Arab
world was being pillaged by those industrialized countries.

Woe, woe, woe..... See? its *THIS* very (*VERY*) misguided emotion-ridden
mindsets that is at the *heart* of the entire issue. Ain't nobody
"pillaged" **** here buster! - No one came in by force to "pillage" no oil
from the Arabs. That an insult. What, the South America countries were
"pillaged" too? Man.... The Arab lands received a very lucrative profits
from that oil.


No one came in by force? You have to be kidding, right? Read a little
history of the area. It's been one of conquest since the Crusades. Does
the Sykes-Picot Agreement ring any bells?



For most of
this century, the Arab world were colonies of England and France or part
of the Ottoman Empire. Perhaps, a fairer question would be, what did
those industrial powers bring to the Arab world?

Wealth!!!! and LOTS of it too!. Take off them rose-colored glasses -
there is no shortage of flow of money. And SEE? - this speaks DIRECTLY to
my point - they got SO much oil wealth for SO little effort for SO long,
that the incentives to do anything else were vitually non existant.


I mean, besides death,
destruction, and absurd lines on a map.

"Absurd" lines on a map? Why are they so "absurd"? What - should have
just been a free-for-all land grab ? So why is it the fault of England,
France, or Ottoman empire for thease lines? - these Arab areas could have
done the same, they were not handicaped in any way.

They are absurd, because they are arbitrary and do not represent the facts
on the ground. They were imposed on the area by foreign powers. Ever
wonder why most of the world's "hotspots" were one time colonies? Nope, I
didn't think so.

And, yes, these Arab states were handicapped. Democracy in the area?
There was, until . . . do a search on "Mossadegh CIA". Saddam Hussein . .
.. search on "Iraq Kassim CIA". We are reaping what we have sowed.