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John H. wrote: On 4 Aug 2005 13:43:50 -0700, wrote: John H. wrote: On 4 Aug 2005 11:34:08 -0700, wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:16:11 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: John H. wrote: I don't think I said Guzzi *didn't* make a 'Desmo' model. I've just never heard of it, so I asked for some facts to back up a claim. I'm still waiting for the facts. If you put "moto guzzi" and krause into Google, you'll get over 4000 hits, so I guess they made a 'krause' model also (using Harry's logic!). One might think an ex-Army Corps of Engineers ossifer who now teaches math would know how to set up a boolean search in a search engine, especially if a math-disadvantaged English major can do it. How about a belt-driven desmo valve train on a Guzzi? Here's one of 289 hits I got by putting together a proper search. http://members.chello.nl/~wgj.jansen/text/HPL.html Enough of this nonsense. I mentioned it earlier. Hans does nice work. But, it's not a Desmo model Guzzi. It's a one-of that most likely was *not* owned by Kevin. The Nederlands Moto Guzzi Club is the largest Guzzi club in the world. The American 'club' is not really a club, but a way for the 'president' to make money selling a magazine subscription. Of course, you know all this because you're able to put together a boolean search in a search engine. Try-- "moto guzzi" desmo--in your search. You'll find Hans' pictures easily. No engineering experience needed! What's your point, John? Are you STILL trying to say that Moto Guzzi didn't make a Desmo model? Are you really saying that? Well, I was kinda hoping you'd realize you may have made a mistake. I'm really trying to help you out here. Harry and I have found some pictures which showed a 'desmo' like modification to the valves of a Guzzi engine, but that wasn't produced as a Guzzi model. -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD Again, answer the question, are you REALLY trying to say that Guzzi didn't make a Desmo? One year, and one year only, 1971, same as the Milli GT. You are correct, partly. I did not say that Guzzi didn't make a Desmo. I said that I've never heard of it, nor has anyone I've talked to except you and Harry, nor have I been able to find out anything about it. This tells me that you may have had a very secretly made Moto Guzzi. Or, you're making up stuff. The Mille GT was actually first produced in 1987 as a scaled down version of the 1000 SP. They were produced into 1989, which is the year of my Mille GT. Notice that I'm not laughing at anything you've said. Hmm, just googled up this partial list: Moto Guzzi 850 Le Mans MKI 1978 1979 S 3 HBF5814 1 HBR5814 Moto Guzzi 850 T3 MK I - MK II 1976 1977 S 4 HBF5801 1 HBR5801 Moto Guzzi 850 T4 1980 1983 S 3 HBF5803 1 HBR5803 Moto Guzzi Desmo 1971 S 3 HBF5807 1 HBR5807 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1971 S 2 HBF5818 Moto Guzzi Mistral SP 1000 1982 S 3 HBF5819 1 HBR5819 Moto Guzzi V35 MK II - MK III 1984 1988 S 2 HBF5825 1 HBR5825 Moto Guzzi V50 MK II 1979 1983 S 2 HBF5833 1 HBR5833 Moto Guzzi V50 MK III 1984 1986 S 3 HBF5838 1 HBR5838 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza MK I - MK II 1981 1983 S 2 HBF5841 1 HBR5841 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza MK III 1984 1986 S 2 HBF5842 1 HBR5842 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario 1985 1988 S 3 HBF5844 1 HBR5844 Moto Guzzi V65 TT 1985 1988 S 2 HBF5848 1 HBR5848 Sorry the formatting didn't come out correctly, but notice....a Desmo, 1971 ONLY, along with....a Mille GT...1971 Granted, this list left a lot to be desired, no Amassadors, no California Specials, no Converts, etc. |
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wrote in message ups.com... John H. wrote: On 4 Aug 2005 13:43:50 -0700, wrote: John H. wrote: On 4 Aug 2005 11:34:08 -0700, wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:16:11 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: John H. wrote: I don't think I said Guzzi *didn't* make a 'Desmo' model. I've just never heard of it, so I asked for some facts to back up a claim. I'm still waiting for the facts. If you put "moto guzzi" and krause into Google, you'll get over 4000 hits, so I guess they made a 'krause' model also (using Harry's logic!). One might think an ex-Army Corps of Engineers ossifer who now teaches math would know how to set up a boolean search in a search engine, especially if a math-disadvantaged English major can do it. How about a belt-driven desmo valve train on a Guzzi? Here's one of 289 hits I got by putting together a proper search. http://members.chello.nl/~wgj.jansen/text/HPL.html Enough of this nonsense. I mentioned it earlier. Hans does nice work. But, it's not a Desmo model Guzzi. It's a one-of that most likely was *not* owned by Kevin. The Nederlands Moto Guzzi Club is the largest Guzzi club in the world. The American 'club' is not really a club, but a way for the 'president' to make money selling a magazine subscription. Of course, you know all this because you're able to put together a boolean search in a search engine. Try-- "moto guzzi" desmo--in your search. You'll find Hans' pictures easily. No engineering experience needed! What's your point, John? Are you STILL trying to say that Moto Guzzi didn't make a Desmo model? Are you really saying that? Well, I was kinda hoping you'd realize you may have made a mistake. I'm really trying to help you out here. Harry and I have found some pictures which showed a 'desmo' like modification to the valves of a Guzzi engine, but that wasn't produced as a Guzzi model. -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD Again, answer the question, are you REALLY trying to say that Guzzi didn't make a Desmo? One year, and one year only, 1971, same as the Milli GT. You are correct, partly. I did not say that Guzzi didn't make a Desmo. I said that I've never heard of it, nor has anyone I've talked to except you and Harry, nor have I been able to find out anything about it. This tells me that you may have had a very secretly made Moto Guzzi. Or, you're making up stuff. The Mille GT was actually first produced in 1987 as a scaled down version of the 1000 SP. They were produced into 1989, which is the year of my Mille GT. Notice that I'm not laughing at anything you've said. Hmm, just googled up this partial list: Moto Guzzi 850 Le Mans MKI 1978 1979 S 3 HBF5814 1 HBR5814 Moto Guzzi 850 T3 MK I - MK II 1976 1977 S 4 HBF5801 1 HBR5801 Moto Guzzi 850 T4 1980 1983 S 3 HBF5803 1 HBR5803 Moto Guzzi Desmo 1971 S 3 HBF5807 1 HBR5807 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1971 S 2 HBF5818 Moto Guzzi Mistral SP 1000 1982 S 3 HBF5819 1 HBR5819 Moto Guzzi V35 MK II - MK III 1984 1988 S 2 HBF5825 1 HBR5825 Moto Guzzi V50 MK II 1979 1983 S 2 HBF5833 1 HBR5833 Moto Guzzi V50 MK III 1984 1986 S 3 HBF5838 1 HBR5838 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza MK I - MK II 1981 1983 S 2 HBF5841 1 HBR5841 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza MK III 1984 1986 S 2 HBF5842 1 HBR5842 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario 1985 1988 S 3 HBF5844 1 HBR5844 Moto Guzzi V65 TT 1985 1988 S 2 HBF5848 1 HBR5848 Sorry the formatting didn't come out correctly, but notice....a Desmo, 1971 ONLY, along with....a Mille GT...1971 Granted, this list left a lot to be desired, no Amassadors, no California Specials, no Converts, etc. I thought you said before that it was only built in 1971 Curtis. |
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:59:27 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... John H. wrote: On 4 Aug 2005 13:43:50 -0700, wrote: John H. wrote: On 4 Aug 2005 11:34:08 -0700, wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:16:11 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: John H. wrote: I don't think I said Guzzi *didn't* make a 'Desmo' model. I've just never heard of it, so I asked for some facts to back up a claim. I'm still waiting for the facts. If you put "moto guzzi" and krause into Google, you'll get over 4000 hits, so I guess they made a 'krause' model also (using Harry's logic!). One might think an ex-Army Corps of Engineers ossifer who now teaches math would know how to set up a boolean search in a search engine, especially if a math-disadvantaged English major can do it. How about a belt-driven desmo valve train on a Guzzi? Here's one of 289 hits I got by putting together a proper search. http://members.chello.nl/~wgj.jansen/text/HPL.html Enough of this nonsense. I mentioned it earlier. Hans does nice work. But, it's not a Desmo model Guzzi. It's a one-of that most likely was *not* owned by Kevin. The Nederlands Moto Guzzi Club is the largest Guzzi club in the world. The American 'club' is not really a club, but a way for the 'president' to make money selling a magazine subscription. Of course, you know all this because you're able to put together a boolean search in a search engine. Try-- "moto guzzi" desmo--in your search. You'll find Hans' pictures easily. No engineering experience needed! What's your point, John? Are you STILL trying to say that Moto Guzzi didn't make a Desmo model? Are you really saying that? Well, I was kinda hoping you'd realize you may have made a mistake. I'm really trying to help you out here. Harry and I have found some pictures which showed a 'desmo' like modification to the valves of a Guzzi engine, but that wasn't produced as a Guzzi model. -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD Again, answer the question, are you REALLY trying to say that Guzzi didn't make a Desmo? One year, and one year only, 1971, same as the Milli GT. You are correct, partly. I did not say that Guzzi didn't make a Desmo. I said that I've never heard of it, nor has anyone I've talked to except you and Harry, nor have I been able to find out anything about it. This tells me that you may have had a very secretly made Moto Guzzi. Or, you're making up stuff. The Mille GT was actually first produced in 1987 as a scaled down version of the 1000 SP. They were produced into 1989, which is the year of my Mille GT. Notice that I'm not laughing at anything you've said. Hmm, just googled up this partial list: Moto Guzzi 850 Le Mans MKI 1978 1979 S 3 HBF5814 1 HBR5814 Moto Guzzi 850 T3 MK I - MK II 1976 1977 S 4 HBF5801 1 HBR5801 Moto Guzzi 850 T4 1980 1983 S 3 HBF5803 1 HBR5803 Moto Guzzi Desmo 1971 S 3 HBF5807 1 HBR5807 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1971 S 2 HBF5818 Moto Guzzi Mistral SP 1000 1982 S 3 HBF5819 1 HBR5819 Moto Guzzi V35 MK II - MK III 1984 1988 S 2 HBF5825 1 HBR5825 Moto Guzzi V50 MK II 1979 1983 S 2 HBF5833 1 HBR5833 Moto Guzzi V50 MK III 1984 1986 S 3 HBF5838 1 HBR5838 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza MK I - MK II 1981 1983 S 2 HBF5841 1 HBR5841 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza MK III 1984 1986 S 2 HBF5842 1 HBR5842 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario 1985 1988 S 3 HBF5844 1 HBR5844 Moto Guzzi V65 TT 1985 1988 S 2 HBF5848 1 HBR5848 Sorry the formatting didn't come out correctly, but notice....a Desmo, 1971 ONLY, along with....a Mille GT...1971 Granted, this list left a lot to be desired, no Amassadors, no California Specials, no Converts, etc. I thought you said before that it was only built in 1971 Curtis. He's making up stuff as fast as he can, don't expect him to keep it straight. I'll guarantee you he won't post a web site with the above information on it. -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:59:27 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... John H. wrote: On 4 Aug 2005 13:43:50 -0700, wrote: John H. wrote: On 4 Aug 2005 11:34:08 -0700, wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:16:11 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: John H. wrote: I don't think I said Guzzi *didn't* make a 'Desmo' model. I've just never heard of it, so I asked for some facts to back up a claim. I'm still waiting for the facts. If you put "moto guzzi" and krause into Google, you'll get over 4000 hits, so I guess they made a 'krause' model also (using Harry's logic!). One might think an ex-Army Corps of Engineers ossifer who now teaches math would know how to set up a boolean search in a search engine, especially if a math-disadvantaged English major can do it. How about a belt-driven desmo valve train on a Guzzi? Here's one of 289 hits I got by putting together a proper search. http://members.chello.nl/~wgj.jansen/text/HPL.html Enough of this nonsense. I mentioned it earlier. Hans does nice work. But, it's not a Desmo model Guzzi. It's a one-of that most likely was *not* owned by Kevin. The Nederlands Moto Guzzi Club is the largest Guzzi club in the world. The American 'club' is not really a club, but a way for the 'president' to make money selling a magazine subscription. Of course, you know all this because you're able to put together a boolean search in a search engine. Try-- "moto guzzi" desmo--in your search. You'll find Hans' pictures easily. No engineering experience needed! What's your point, John? Are you STILL trying to say that Moto Guzzi didn't make a Desmo model? Are you really saying that? Well, I was kinda hoping you'd realize you may have made a mistake. I'm really trying to help you out here. Harry and I have found some pictures which showed a 'desmo' like modification to the valves of a Guzzi engine, but that wasn't produced as a Guzzi model. -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD Again, answer the question, are you REALLY trying to say that Guzzi didn't make a Desmo? One year, and one year only, 1971, same as the Milli GT. You are correct, partly. I did not say that Guzzi didn't make a Desmo. I said that I've never heard of it, nor has anyone I've talked to except you and Harry, nor have I been able to find out anything about it. This tells me that you may have had a very secretly made Moto Guzzi. Or, you're making up stuff. The Mille GT was actually first produced in 1987 as a scaled down version of the 1000 SP. They were produced into 1989, which is the year of my Mille GT. Notice that I'm not laughing at anything you've said. Hmm, just googled up this partial list: Moto Guzzi 850 Le Mans MKI 1978 1979 S 3 HBF5814 1 HBR5814 Moto Guzzi 850 T3 MK I - MK II 1976 1977 S 4 HBF5801 1 HBR5801 Moto Guzzi 850 T4 1980 1983 S 3 HBF5803 1 HBR5803 Moto Guzzi Desmo 1971 S 3 HBF5807 1 HBR5807 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1971 S 2 HBF5818 Moto Guzzi Mistral SP 1000 1982 S 3 HBF5819 1 HBR5819 Moto Guzzi V35 MK II - MK III 1984 1988 S 2 HBF5825 1 HBR5825 Moto Guzzi V50 MK II 1979 1983 S 2 HBF5833 1 HBR5833 Moto Guzzi V50 MK III 1984 1986 S 3 HBF5838 1 HBR5838 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza MK I - MK II 1981 1983 S 2 HBF5841 1 HBR5841 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza MK III 1984 1986 S 2 HBF5842 1 HBR5842 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario 1985 1988 S 3 HBF5844 1 HBR5844 Moto Guzzi V65 TT 1985 1988 S 2 HBF5848 1 HBR5848 Sorry the formatting didn't come out correctly, but notice....a Desmo, 1971 ONLY, along with....a Mille GT...1971 Granted, this list left a lot to be desired, no Amassadors, no California Specials, no Converts, etc. I thought you said before that it was only built in 1971 Curtis. Whoops. Should have said 'legitimate' web site, he may refer me back to his post! -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
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On 5 Aug 2005 05:55:26 -0700, wrote:
John H. wrote: On 4 Aug 2005 13:43:50 -0700, wrote: John H. wrote: On 4 Aug 2005 11:34:08 -0700, wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:16:11 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: John H. wrote: I don't think I said Guzzi *didn't* make a 'Desmo' model. I've just never heard of it, so I asked for some facts to back up a claim. I'm still waiting for the facts. If you put "moto guzzi" and krause into Google, you'll get over 4000 hits, so I guess they made a 'krause' model also (using Harry's logic!). One might think an ex-Army Corps of Engineers ossifer who now teaches math would know how to set up a boolean search in a search engine, especially if a math-disadvantaged English major can do it. How about a belt-driven desmo valve train on a Guzzi? Here's one of 289 hits I got by putting together a proper search. http://members.chello.nl/~wgj.jansen/text/HPL.html Enough of this nonsense. I mentioned it earlier. Hans does nice work. But, it's not a Desmo model Guzzi. It's a one-of that most likely was *not* owned by Kevin. The Nederlands Moto Guzzi Club is the largest Guzzi club in the world. The American 'club' is not really a club, but a way for the 'president' to make money selling a magazine subscription. Of course, you know all this because you're able to put together a boolean search in a search engine. Try-- "moto guzzi" desmo--in your search. You'll find Hans' pictures easily. No engineering experience needed! What's your point, John? Are you STILL trying to say that Moto Guzzi didn't make a Desmo model? Are you really saying that? Well, I was kinda hoping you'd realize you may have made a mistake. I'm really trying to help you out here. Harry and I have found some pictures which showed a 'desmo' like modification to the valves of a Guzzi engine, but that wasn't produced as a Guzzi model. -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD Again, answer the question, are you REALLY trying to say that Guzzi didn't make a Desmo? One year, and one year only, 1971, same as the Milli GT. You are correct, partly. I did not say that Guzzi didn't make a Desmo. I said that I've never heard of it, nor has anyone I've talked to except you and Harry, nor have I been able to find out anything about it. This tells me that you may have had a very secretly made Moto Guzzi. Or, you're making up stuff. The Mille GT was actually first produced in 1987 as a scaled down version of the 1000 SP. They were produced into 1989, which is the year of my Mille GT. Notice that I'm not laughing at anything you've said. Hmm, just googled up this partial list: Moto Guzzi 850 Le Mans MKI 1978 1979 S 3 HBF5814 1 HBR5814 Moto Guzzi 850 T3 MK I - MK II 1976 1977 S 4 HBF5801 1 HBR5801 Moto Guzzi 850 T4 1980 1983 S 3 HBF5803 1 HBR5803 Moto Guzzi Desmo 1971 S 3 HBF5807 1 HBR5807 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1971 S 2 HBF5818 Moto Guzzi Mistral SP 1000 1982 S 3 HBF5819 1 HBR5819 Moto Guzzi V35 MK II - MK III 1984 1988 S 2 HBF5825 1 HBR5825 Moto Guzzi V50 MK II 1979 1983 S 2 HBF5833 1 HBR5833 Moto Guzzi V50 MK III 1984 1986 S 3 HBF5838 1 HBR5838 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza MK I - MK II 1981 1983 S 2 HBF5841 1 HBR5841 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza MK III 1984 1986 S 2 HBF5842 1 HBR5842 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario 1985 1988 S 3 HBF5844 1 HBR5844 Moto Guzzi V65 TT 1985 1988 S 2 HBF5848 1 HBR5848 Sorry the formatting didn't come out correctly, but notice....a Desmo, 1971 ONLY, along with....a Mille GT...1971 Granted, this list left a lot to be desired, no Amassadors, no California Specials, no Converts, etc. Show the URL, cause your 'site' is quite erroneous. Again, the bikes you listed (Ambassadors, etc.) were *not* in existence in 1971 as you stated earlier (with all the BWAHHAAA stuff.) -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
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