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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:35:52 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Do me a favor, OK? If I tell you I heard an American military official on
the radio, accept the fact that I heard it. Usually, I'm either in the
car
or working in the kitchen when I listen to the news and although I love
you dearly, I am not going to take notes just for you. Incidentally,
these
people were THERE in Iraq, not desk jockies sitting in the Pentagon.

Kind of depends on your definition of terms. While *all* reports I have
read, state that foreign militants are less than 10% of the insurgents, it
seems there are reports that those same militants make up 90% of the
suicide bombers. One caveat, while that 90% number is all over the
internet, it can be generally traced to one article written by Patrick
Quinn and Katherine Shrader and attributed to "one defense official".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlates...109609,00.html

Good link. Thanks.

``The foreign fighters are the ones that most often are behind the wheel of
suicide car bombs, or most often behind any suicide situation,'' said U.S.
Air Force Brig. Gen. Don Alston, spokesman for the Multinational Force in
Iraq.
Officials have long believed that non-Iraqis infiltrating the country
through its porous borders with Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia were behind
most suicide missions, and the wave of bloody strikes in recent months has
confirmed that thinking.

Authorities have found little evidence that Iraqis have been behind the
near-daily stream of suicide attacks over the past six months, U.S. and
Iraqi intelligence officials said"



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Is that good enough for you, Doug?

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Is that good enough for you, Doug?


No, it's not.

By the way, why do you suppose this sort of violence was not going on before
we arrived? Keep in mind that your first response will probably be flung out
the window, and go for the second response, to save us all some time.

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Is that good enough for you, Doug?


No, it's not.

By the way, why do you suppose this sort of violence was not going on
before we arrived? Keep in mind that your first response will probably be
flung out the window, and go for the second response, to save us all some
time.

First response: because you're in idiot (I figured I had a freebie there
since you already told me you were throwing it out).

Second response: because bin Laden's goal (as described by his 1996 Fatwa)
was to toss the U.S. out of the Middle East, sieze control of Saudi Arabia,
and use its oil to finance an Islamic state. The problems with his plan
arose when we voluntarily surrendered Saudi Arabia and planted 170,000
troops in the 2nd most oil-rich country in the region...which just so
happens to be on the border of the #1 oil-rich country that bin Laden and
his fellow Salifis hoped to sieze.

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Is that good enough for you, Doug?


No, it's not.

By the way, why do you suppose this sort of violence was not going on
before we arrived? Keep in mind that your first response will probably be
flung out the window, and go for the second response, to save us all some
time.

First response: because you're in idiot (I figured I had a freebie there
since you already told me you were throwing it out).

Second response: because bin Laden's goal (as described by his 1996
Fatwa) was to toss the U.S. out of the Middle East, sieze control of Saudi
Arabia, and use its oil to finance an Islamic state. The problems with
his plan arose when we voluntarily surrendered Saudi Arabia and planted
170,000 troops in the 2nd most oil-rich country in the region...which just
so happens to be on the border of the #1 oil-rich country that bin Laden
and his fellow Salifis hoped to sieze.

Great! But, I thought we were supposed to give the Iraqi people a safer,
more civilized country. Your president said "Mission Accomplished". When do
you think this goal might be achieved?

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Is that good enough for you, Doug?


No, it's not.

By the way, why do you suppose this sort of violence was not going on
before we arrived? Keep in mind that your first response will probably
be flung out the window, and go for the second response, to save us all
some time.

First response: because you're in idiot (I figured I had a freebie there
since you already told me you were throwing it out).

Second response: because bin Laden's goal (as described by his 1996
Fatwa) was to toss the U.S. out of the Middle East, sieze control of
Saudi Arabia, and use its oil to finance an Islamic state. The problems
with his plan arose when we voluntarily surrendered Saudi Arabia and
planted 170,000 troops in the 2nd most oil-rich country in the
region...which just so happens to be on the border of the #1 oil-rich
country that bin Laden and his fellow Salifis hoped to sieze.

Great! But, I thought we were supposed to give the Iraqi people a safer,
more civilized country.

We got them started, but it's up to them to build that themselves.

Your president said "Mission Accomplished". When do you think this goal
might be achieved?

When US oil imports from Iraq equal or exceed imports from Saudi Arabia.

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Is that good enough for you, Doug?


No, it's not.

By the way, why do you suppose this sort of violence was not going on
before we arrived? Keep in mind that your first response will probably
be flung out the window, and go for the second response, to save us all
some time.

First response: because you're in idiot (I figured I had a freebie
there since you already told me you were throwing it out).

Second response: because bin Laden's goal (as described by his 1996
Fatwa) was to toss the U.S. out of the Middle East, sieze control of
Saudi Arabia, and use its oil to finance an Islamic state. The problems
with his plan arose when we voluntarily surrendered Saudi Arabia and
planted 170,000 troops in the 2nd most oil-rich country in the
region...which just so happens to be on the border of the #1 oil-rich
country that bin Laden and his fellow Salifis hoped to sieze.

Great! But, I thought we were supposed to give the Iraqi people a safer,
more civilized country.

We got them started, but it's up to them to build that themselves.

Your president said "Mission Accomplished". When do you think this goal
might be achieved?

When US oil imports from Iraq equal or exceed imports from Saudi Arabia.



This is wonderful. You've finally admitted that everything on your
president's list of reasons was nonsense.

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Is that good enough for you, Doug?


No, it's not.

By the way, why do you suppose this sort of violence was not going on
before we arrived? Keep in mind that your first response will probably
be flung out the window, and go for the second response, to save us
all some time.

First response: because you're in idiot (I figured I had a freebie
there since you already told me you were throwing it out).

Second response: because bin Laden's goal (as described by his 1996
Fatwa) was to toss the U.S. out of the Middle East, sieze control of
Saudi Arabia, and use its oil to finance an Islamic state. The
problems with his plan arose when we voluntarily surrendered Saudi
Arabia and planted 170,000 troops in the 2nd most oil-rich country in
the region...which just so happens to be on the border of the #1
oil-rich country that bin Laden and his fellow Salifis hoped to sieze.

Great! But, I thought we were supposed to give the Iraqi people a safer,
more civilized country.

We got them started, but it's up to them to build that themselves.

Your president said "Mission Accomplished". When do you think this goal
might be achieved?

When US oil imports from Iraq equal or exceed imports from Saudi Arabia.



This is wonderful. You've finally admitted that everything on your
president's list of reasons was nonsense.

I didn't "finally" admit it. I said that it was about oil three years ago.

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Is that good enough for you, Doug?


No, it's not.

By the way, why do you suppose this sort of violence was not going on
before we arrived? Keep in mind that your first response will probably
be flung out the window, and go for the second response, to save us all
some time.

First response: because you're in idiot (I figured I had a freebie there
since you already told me you were throwing it out).

Second response: because bin Laden's goal (as described by his 1996
Fatwa) was to toss the U.S. out of the Middle East, sieze control of
Saudi Arabia, and use its oil to finance an Islamic state. The problems
with his plan arose when we voluntarily surrendered Saudi Arabia and
planted 170,000 troops in the 2nd most oil-rich country in the
region...which just so happens to be on the border of the #1 oil-rich
country that bin Laden and his fellow Salifis hoped to sieze.

Great! But, I thought we were supposed to give the Iraqi people a safer,
more civilized country.

We got them started, but it's up to them to build that themselves.

Your president said "Mission Accomplished". When do you think this goal
might be achieved?

When US oil imports from Iraq equal or exceed imports from Saudi Arabia.

Good, you're finally admitting that Bush lied when He said "Mission
Accomplished". Now you are saying what he MEANT was *some time, in
several years, it will be mission accomplished???

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Is that good enough for you, Doug?


No, it's not.

By the way, why do you suppose this sort of violence was not going on
before we arrived? Keep in mind that your first response will
probably
be flung out the window, and go for the second response, to save us
all
some time.

First response: because you're in idiot (I figured I had a freebie
there
since you already told me you were throwing it out).

Second response: because bin Laden's goal (as described by his 1996
Fatwa) was to toss the U.S. out of the Middle East, sieze control of
Saudi Arabia, and use its oil to finance an Islamic state. The
problems
with his plan arose when we voluntarily surrendered Saudi Arabia and
planted 170,000 troops in the 2nd most oil-rich country in the
region...which just so happens to be on the border of the #1 oil-rich
country that bin Laden and his fellow Salifis hoped to sieze.

Great! But, I thought we were supposed to give the Iraqi people a
safer,
more civilized country.

We got them started, but it's up to them to build that themselves.

Your president said "Mission Accomplished". When do you think this goal
might be achieved?

When US oil imports from Iraq equal or exceed imports from Saudi Arabia.

Good, you're finally admitting that Bush lied when He said "Mission
Accomplished". Now you are saying what he MEANT was *some time, in
several years, it will be mission accomplished???


No. The mission was to remove Saddam so we could station our troops in his
country. And we have done just that.