"thunder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:23:47 -0400, NOYB wrote:


Mutually Assured Destruction with economics instead of nukes? Sounds
like
we're in the second Cold War already.


LOL Pretty close to it. Although the whole theory of a "Global Market"
is that trading partners would have less antagonisms, not more. Still, it
seems to be working. Who knows what our relations would be like with
China these past thirty years? Since Nixon went to Bejing they have
seemed relatively peaceful.

I see China benefitting from our trade relationship, but I don't see the
U.S. benefitting...particularly in the long run. Sure, in the short term we
have cheap toasters and microwaves available at Wal-Mart...but we've lost
tens of thousand of manufacturing jobs in the process. The advocates of
free trade with China claim that it will open up a huge market (1.6 billion
Chinese) for U.S. products...but does anybody really believe that the
Chinese will completely open their markets to foreign
products...particularly once they start building commercial airplanes, etc.?
I don't.

The Chinese have waged economic warfare on the U.S. for the past decade, and
we haven't even started to fight back.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining
the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it
won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.


Please leave Canada out of your rant. Canada enjoys it's trading
status
with China.
Please read the statement from one of Canada's experts on Foreign Trade.

Like it or not Canada is a pawn in the world of trade.

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:23:47 -0400, NOYB wrote:


Mutually Assured Destruction with economics instead of nukes? Sounds
like
we're in the second Cold War already.


LOL Pretty close to it. Although the whole theory of a "Global Market"
is that trading partners would have less antagonisms, not more. Still, it
seems to be working. Who knows what our relations would be like with
China these past thirty years? Since Nixon went to Bejing they have
seemed relatively peaceful.

Trading partners? China is trying to take over the world and they have
chosen to do it economically. China's businesses are not independent from
government oversight and control.

We are in a hot economic war with China.

Harry does your driveway have a PHD from Yale?


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Real Name wrote:
Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the road.
Did you driveway get it's master degree at Yale?


The photo was not shot with a 50 or 55 mm lens or equivalent.
It is 60' from the outside edge of my garage floor to the end of the part
of the drive where the boat is sitting, and 110' feet from the driveway
under the stern of the boat to my private road and another 30' feet of my
private road, which I also paved to a little traffic circle where the
county road ends. That's a bit over 200'. A bit larger than the square of
concrete in front of your rental townhouse, I suspect.

You need a new nickname here. Maybe Fritz can help. I suggest: King of the
Newsgroup Dumbfochs.

"Real Name" wrote in message
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Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the road.
Did
you driveway get it's master degree at Yale?

Obviouly harry knows has much about trailing laws as every other topic he
has tried to bluff his way through.







"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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P. Fritz wrote:
As do I, and it is too big to keep on a trailer in the driveway.

Really? Guy down the road a piece has a 42' Cigarette style boat he
keeps
on a trailer on his driveway.

My driveway is approximately 200' long, including the portion that
attaches to our traffic circle, and is 30' wide in spots. I suspect
your
boat on a trailer and your entire family in a Winnebago would fit on
it.



--
If it is Bad for Bush,
It is Good for the United States.

Yes, Yes, Yes and Yes.


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Real Name wrote:
Harry does your driveway have a PHD from Yale?


Got a name, boat, job or life, Dirtbag?
No proof of it here.

GPUAR.


--
If it is Bad for Bush,
It is Good for the United States.

NOYB wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Real Name wrote:

Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the road.
Did you driveway get it's master degree at Yale?


The photo was not shot with a 50 or 55 mm lens or equivalent.
It is 60' from the outside edge of my garage floor to the end of the part
of the drive where the boat is sitting, and 110' feet from the driveway
under the stern of the boat to my private road and another 30' feet of my
private road, which I also paved to a little traffic circle where the
county road ends. That's a bit over 200'.


They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.


Careful...those are Canadian lyrics by a Canadian singer...

"Real Name" wrote in message
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Harry we are talking about my boat and name, we are not talking about
your
Lobster Boat, driveway, yours or your wife's education. If we were
talking
about them, I would have to agree with you. Bull****.

poor harry, life past him by and his only hope is to lie about his (lack
of) accomplishments.

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Real Name wrote:
You are mistaken on both matters. I have a boat and a name.


Bull****.

Bert Robbins wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:23:47 -0400, NOYB wrote:



Mutually Assured Destruction with economics instead of nukes? Sounds
like
we're in the second Cold War already.


LOL Pretty close to it. Although the whole theory of a "Global Market"
is that trading partners would have less antagonisms, not more. Still, it
seems to be working. Who knows what our relations would be like with
China these past thirty years? Since Nixon went to Bejing they have
seemed relatively peaceful.


Trading partners? China is trying to take over the world and they have
chosen to do it economically. China's businesses are not independent from
government oversight and control.

We are in a hot economic war with China.


If that's the case, you're getting your ass whupped daily.

We have had a deficit for a lot of past Presidents that our grandkids will
not be able to pay off. And the Iraq war, is not the biggest contributor.
Is a contributor, but our elected representatives, on all sides of the aisle
have not met a spending bill they did not like. Hell, the first Iraq
spending bill, had something like 20% pork for districts in the USA. We
have to reign in spending and the inflation in this country. 3% inflation
doubles prices in about 24 years.

wrote in message
oups.com...


NOYB wrote:
China June trade surplus swells five-fold
Monday July 11, 8:43 AM EDT


BEIJING (Reuters) - China's trade surplus for June swelled five-fold from
a
year earlier as exports grew much faster than imports, offering more
ammunition for foreign critics who argue that Beijing should let the yuan
rise in value.

The June surplus grew to $9.68 billion, exceeding forecasts of $8.0
billion
and towering above the $1.8 billion surplus recorded for June 2004.

"The very large trade surplus will give the U.S. and Europe more excuse
to
put pressure on China to revalue the yuan," said Toshikatsu Kimura,
greater
China economist with Daiwa Securities in Shanghai.

"China needs to import more goods and services to avoid a trade war, but
it
will be very difficult to import more if it doesn't want to change its
macroeconomic policy," he said.

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When the trade war begins (and it will), will China attack Taiwan as a
message/warning to the US that it can't be pushed around? Or will they
cave
on the yuan, and finally let it float?


I'm shocked that you are even concerned, NOYB.
That mega-billions per month trade surplus pililng up for the Chinese
is the only thing that is keeping your party's administration in power
in Washington DC. As fast as they can hand money out to Haliburton and
other special interests, (blowing past any previous record for
government spending by miles, and miles, and miles and piling up a debt
that our great grandkids will still be paying off), that's just how
fast the Chinese are buying the "paper" that
makes it possible. Pray they keep stepping up to the plate, and don't
decide to cash in all those US GOVT T bills all at once 'cause if they
do we'll all be speaking Mandarin. That's why its so important for
conservatives to shop at WalMart- that's China's main retail outlet in
the US, and corporate profits are plowed directly back into
conservative political campaigns and causes by the Walton Foundation.

Would you be willing to see the Bush regime/Republican congress topple
to "win" the trade war with China? You won't have one without the
other. You of all people should be rooting *for* China, not against it.