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OT--Coming trade war with China
China June trade surplus swells five-fold
Monday July 11, 8:43 AM EDT BEIJING (Reuters) - China's trade surplus for June swelled five-fold from a year earlier as exports grew much faster than imports, offering more ammunition for foreign critics who argue that Beijing should let the yuan rise in value. The June surplus grew to $9.68 billion, exceeding forecasts of $8.0 billion and towering above the $1.8 billion surplus recorded for June 2004. "The very large trade surplus will give the U.S. and Europe more excuse to put pressure on China to revalue the yuan," said Toshikatsu Kimura, greater China economist with Daiwa Securities in Shanghai. "China needs to import more goods and services to avoid a trade war, but it will be very difficult to import more if it doesn't want to change its macroeconomic policy," he said. -------------------------------------------------------- When the trade war begins (and it will), will China attack Taiwan as a message/warning to the US that it can't be pushed around? Or will they cave on the yuan, and finally let it float? |
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: China June trade surplus swells five-fold Monday July 11, 8:43 AM EDT BEIJING (Reuters) - China's trade surplus for June swelled five-fold from a year earlier as exports grew much faster than imports, offering more ammunition for foreign critics who argue that Beijing should let the yuan rise in value. The June surplus grew to $9.68 billion, exceeding forecasts of $8.0 billion and towering above the $1.8 billion surplus recorded for June 2004. "The very large trade surplus will give the U.S. and Europe more excuse to put pressure on China to revalue the yuan," said Toshikatsu Kimura, greater China economist with Daiwa Securities in Shanghai. "China needs to import more goods and services to avoid a trade war, but it will be very difficult to import more if it doesn't want to change its macroeconomic policy," he said. -------------------------------------------------------- When the trade war begins (and it will), will China attack Taiwan as a message/warning to the US that it can't be pushed around? Or will they cave on the yuan, and finally let it float? The PRC doesn't have to do anything. It's already won. This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol and on the news. Just watch. |
HarryKrause wrote: NOYB wrote: China June trade surplus swells five-fold Monday July 11, 8:43 AM EDT BEIJING (Reuters) - China's trade surplus for June swelled five-fold from a year earlier as exports grew much faster than imports, offering more ammunition for foreign critics who argue that Beijing should let the yuan rise in value. The June surplus grew to $9.68 billion, exceeding forecasts of $8.0 billion and towering above the $1.8 billion surplus recorded for June 2004. "The very large trade surplus will give the U.S. and Europe more excuse to put pressure on China to revalue the yuan," said Toshikatsu Kimura, greater China economist with Daiwa Securities in Shanghai. "China needs to import more goods and services to avoid a trade war, but it will be very difficult to import more if it doesn't want to change its macroeconomic policy," he said. -------------------------------------------------------- When the trade war begins (and it will), will China attack Taiwan as a message/warning to the US that it can't be pushed around? Or will they cave on the yuan, and finally let it float? The PRC doesn't have to do anything. It's already won. And there's certainly militarily the US can do about it; we're not about to make war against a nation fully capable of fighting back. I don't know, we still have the chimp as our president. When we get him out, then we'll know that there's someone in there smart enough to not start crap with China, and talk diplomatically. |
NOYB wrote: China June trade surplus swells five-fold Monday July 11, 8:43 AM EDT BEIJING (Reuters) - China's trade surplus for June swelled five-fold from a year earlier as exports grew much faster than imports, offering more ammunition for foreign critics who argue that Beijing should let the yuan rise in value. The June surplus grew to $9.68 billion, exceeding forecasts of $8.0 billion and towering above the $1.8 billion surplus recorded for June 2004. "The very large trade surplus will give the U.S. and Europe more excuse to put pressure on China to revalue the yuan," said Toshikatsu Kimura, greater China economist with Daiwa Securities in Shanghai. "China needs to import more goods and services to avoid a trade war, but it will be very difficult to import more if it doesn't want to change its macroeconomic policy," he said. -------------------------------------------------------- When the trade war begins (and it will), will China attack Taiwan as a message/warning to the US that it can't be pushed around? Or will they cave on the yuan, and finally let it float? I'm shocked that you are even concerned, NOYB. That mega-billions per month trade surplus pililng up for the Chinese is the only thing that is keeping your party's administration in power in Washington DC. As fast as they can hand money out to Haliburton and other special interests, (blowing past any previous record for government spending by miles, and miles, and miles and piling up a debt that our great grandkids will still be paying off), that's just how fast the Chinese are buying the "paper" that makes it possible. Pray they keep stepping up to the plate, and don't decide to cash in all those US GOVT T bills all at once 'cause if they do we'll all be speaking Mandarin. That's why its so important for conservatives to shop at WalMart- that's China's main retail outlet in the US, and corporate profits are plowed directly back into conservative political campaigns and causes by the Walton Foundation. Would you be willing to see the Bush regime/Republican congress topple to "win" the trade war with China? You won't have one without the other. You of all people should be rooting *for* China, not against it. |
"NOYB" wrote in message k.net... This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol and on the news. Just watch. Please leave Canada out of your rant. Canada enjoys it's trading status with China. Please read the statement from one of Canada's experts on Foreign Trade. Jim Understanding Canada-China Trade - May 19, 2004 By Stephen S. Poloz, Senior Vice-President and Chief Economist , Export Development Canada There is a view making the rounds that Canada is getting the short end of the stick when it comes to trading with China. We buy more from them than they buy from us, and mostly they buy our raw materials and sell us high-value goods, like DVD players, or so the argument goes. It is true that China is adjusting only gradually to the rules of international trade, and is not all the way there yet. But this is not unlike the phasing-in that other countries typically go through after negotiating a free trade agreement - Canada included. More importantly, China is on track to become the largest economy in the world. Its consumer class will expand, its service sector will dominate economic growth, and it will require sophisticated infrastructure. Chinese consumers will want to fly on airplanes, talk on cell phones, work on computers, watch North American movies, visit Canada, and will buy cabinets, doors, windows and hardwood floors for their houses - many of which are Canadian strengths. Canada's exports to China are not all rocks and trees, even today. True, about 45% of our $5 billion in sales to China are resources, including agri-food, forestry, metals and minerals. Another 18% is in chemicals and plastics. But over 25% of our exports are manufactures, of which a third are automotive parts and tooling. Another 11% of our exports to China are services, including tourism (Chinese visits to Canada) and engineering, consulting and other professional services. Critics respond that our imports from China have grown much more than our exports, so we are losing by that trading relationship. This is, quite simply, the wrong way to look at trade. Every international transaction benefits two parties - the exporter and the importer - regardless of which direction the sale is going. Canada benefits from being able to purchase inexpensive DVD players, footwear or clothing; this gives us more purchasing power than we would without trade with China, and the leftover money gets spent as well - and about 70% of every dollar we spend goes on Canadian goods and especially services, which helps our service sector grow. Furthermore, our exporters benefit by importing components from China to build into their products. This boosts productivity and lowers costs, which means more export sales to the U.S. and elsewhere. Trade should more often be seen as triangular, rather than bilateral - it is quite reasonable to have large trade deficits with some countries (which may be mainly suppliers) and surpluses with others (mainly customers) to maintain an overall balance. Where are the big opportunities in China? There will be massive investments in power generation, transportation, mining, waste treatment and water purification, where Canada can supply services and goods. Farm and medical equipment, automotive tooling and robotics, pharmaceuticals, engineered wood products and education services also have high potential. The bottom line? Trade with China is already delivering big benefits to Canada, and we expect two-way trade to grow rapidly in coming years. But it is important to remember that trade is not just about exporting - the benefits from trade come from both exports and imports. The views expressed here are those of the author, and not necessarily of Export Development Canada. Home - Top of Page - Search - Site Map - Contact Us - EDC Direct © 2005 EDC. Terms of Use - Site Optimization - Privacy Policy |
NOYB wrote: This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol and on the news. Just watch. That's odd, I thought that Republicans praise the mantra of government not getting involved in private business practices. |
wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol and on the news. Just watch. That's odd, I thought that Republicans praise the mantra of government not getting involved in private business practices. It must be tough living in the black and white world of yours Kevin. Time for you to see the Wizard. |
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:54:40 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol and on the news. Just watch. http://www.washtimes.com/business/20...5332-2183r.htm |
"*JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol and on the news. Just watch. That's odd, I thought that Republicans praise the mantra of government not getting involved in private business practices. It must be tough living in the black and white world of yours Kevin. Time for you to see the Wizard. Actually, Kevin lives in a brown fog world......because he constantly has his head up his (or harry's) ass. |
*JimH* wrote: wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol and on the news. Just watch. That's odd, I thought that Republicans praise the mantra of government not getting involved in private business practices. It must be tough living in the black and white world of yours Kevin. Time for you to see the Wizard. Idiot. I'm not Kevin. Are you ****ing retarded or what? I've told you that over, and over, you petty, spineless piece of ****. Now, do you disagree that Republicans are in favor of the government NOT getting involved in private business? Are you saying that it's okay for them to now flip-flop because they don't like practicing what they preach, ****stain? |
wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol and on the news. Just watch. That's odd, I thought that Republicans praise the mantra of government not getting involved in private business practices. It must be tough living in the black and white world of yours Kevin. Time for you to see the Wizard. Idiot. I'm not Kevin. Are you ****ing retarded or what? I've told you that over, and over, you petty, spineless piece of ****. Whatever you say Kevin. |
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I have a 42' Lobster Boat.
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Real Name wrote: Ahhh, Smitherscrap, another member of the pile-on pack of brainless buttbumpers --Fritz, Hertvik and Smithers. Boatless, too. |
Harry,
Are you suggesting Kevin does not try to pile on with everyone. The problem is he is too dumb to know he is jumping on by himself. He is an embarrassment to liberals. His story about his college education and name reminds me of you and your boat stories, your education and your wife's career choice. "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Real Name wrote: Ahhh, Smitherscrap, another member of the pile-on pack of brainless buttbumpers --Fritz, Hertvik and Smithers. Boatless, too. |
wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: China June trade surplus swells five-fold Monday July 11, 8:43 AM EDT BEIJING (Reuters) - China's trade surplus for June swelled five-fold from a year earlier as exports grew much faster than imports, offering more ammunition for foreign critics who argue that Beijing should let the yuan rise in value. The June surplus grew to $9.68 billion, exceeding forecasts of $8.0 billion and towering above the $1.8 billion surplus recorded for June 2004. "The very large trade surplus will give the U.S. and Europe more excuse to put pressure on China to revalue the yuan," said Toshikatsu Kimura, greater China economist with Daiwa Securities in Shanghai. "China needs to import more goods and services to avoid a trade war, but it will be very difficult to import more if it doesn't want to change its macroeconomic policy," he said. -------------------------------------------------------- When the trade war begins (and it will), will China attack Taiwan as a message/warning to the US that it can't be pushed around? Or will they cave on the yuan, and finally let it float? I'm shocked that you are even concerned, NOYB. That mega-billions per month trade surplus pililng up for the Chinese is the only thing that is keeping your party's administration in power in Washington DC. As fast as they can hand money out to Haliburton and other special interests, (blowing past any previous record for government spending by miles, and miles, and miles and piling up a debt that our great grandkids will still be paying off), that's just how fast the Chinese are buying the "paper" that makes it possible. Pray they keep stepping up to the plate, and don't decide to cash in all those US GOVT T bills all at once 'cause if they do we'll all be speaking Mandarin. What will they cash them in for? US dollars? The yuan is already grossly undervalued compared to the dollar. If China dumped T-bills, the dollar would plummet even further relative to the yuan. China would the world's largest holder of worthless (at least to the Chinese) money. At that point, a US dollar wouldn't buy a piece of fake plastic dog **** from China. What do you suppose that would do to China's economy? |
"Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message k.net... This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol and on the news. Just watch. Please leave Canada out of your rant. Canada enjoys it's trading status with China. Hehehe. Trade status? Wal-Mart buys more from China than Canada buys from China. *That's* "trade status". Perhaps the G8 ought to be expanded to the G9...with the Walton's as the ninth trade power. Or we could just make it the G6...and drop Australia, Canada, and Russia off the list and add Wal-Mart...since Wal-Mart does more in trade with China than any of them. The only reason Canadians claim that they "enjoy their trade status" with China is because they're afraid of losing their best trade partner (US!) if the dollar plummets due to a U.S./China trade war. "Furthermore, our exporters benefit by importing components from China to build into their products. This boosts productivity and lowers costs, which means more export sales to the U.S. and elsewhere." Don't count on it. We're not going to import a whole lot of Canadian goods if the Chinese do anything (ie-dump T-bills) to further devalue the dollar. The Canadians are getting ahead of themselves. They're banking on China becoming the World's largest economy. The best estimate as to when this will happen is 35+ years from now. They're looking at the long-term...and forgetting that in the short-term their economy almost completely relies upon the U.S. Don't stand with us now on this trade issue with the Chinese, and you'll be hurtin' for certain in the short term. |
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Ahhh, Smitherscrap, another member of the pile-on pack of brainless buttbumpers --Fritz, Hert and Smithers. Boatless, too. My, my. Krause, you are certainly obsessed with the fact that I am boatless for the moment. Why does that bother you so? You see, I would rather be boatless and happy than be the grumpy old man you are. Unlike you I do not have to make up stories about owning a phantom custom made 36 foot lobster boat. I do not have to make up stories about fishing trips and being on the water. I don't have to make up stories about my wife's education. I don't have to make up stories about my life.....all things you do right here....stories folks have proved were outright lies time and time again. Yet you continue with them because you need some sort of validation from the folks here.....a validation that you are more than that grumpy old man eating cheese doodles at his computer that you really are. It must really suck to be you and to have to wake up knowing you have to live another day as Harry Krause. Try to be happy. Enjoy life. Get out of the house Harry Go out and actually do some 25 foot fishing boat. Heck, it is probably worth more than that 800 square foot 2 bedroom house you live in. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:54:40 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol and on the news. Just watch. http://www.washtimes.com/business/20...5332-2183r.htm We should have voted for Pat Buchanan when we had a chance...and while he was still sane. Ol' Pat has recently dropped off the deep end from 10 years of yelling (and being right) while nobody was listening. As I said before, I'm a quasi-isolationalist. The cats out of the bag and it's going to get bloody trying to push him back in. |
"*JimH*" wrote in message ... "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Ahhh, Smitherscrap, another member of the pile-on pack of brainless buttbumpers --Fritz, Hert and Smithers. Boatless, too. My, my. Krause, you are certainly obsessed with the fact that I am boatless for the moment. Why does that bother you so? Harry is projecting his own shortcomings once again. You see, I would rather be boatless and happy than be the grumpy old man you are. Unlike you I do not have to make up stories about owning a phantom custom made 36 foot lobster boat. I do not have to make up stories about fishing trips and being on the water. I don't have to make up stories about my wife's education. I don't have to make up stories about my life.....all things you do right here....stories folks have proved were outright lies time and time again. Yet you continue with them because you need some sort of validation from the folks here.....a validation that you are more than that grumpy old man eating cheese doodles at his computer that you really are. It must really suck to be you and to have to wake up knowing you have to live another day as Harry Krause. Try to be happy. Enjoy life. Get out of the house Harry Go out and actually do some 25 foot fishing boat. Heck, it is probably worth more than that 800 square foot 2 bedroom house you live in. |
Yes I do. Period
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Real Name wrote: I have a 42' Lobster Boat. You don't have a boat. Period. |
As do I, and it is too big to keep on a trailer in the driveway.
"Real Name" wrote in message ... Yes I do. Period "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Real Name wrote: I have a 42' Lobster Boat. You don't have a boat. Period. |
You are mistaken on both matters. I have a boat and a name.
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Real Name wrote: Yes I do. Period Bull****. You don't even have a name. |
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:55:14 +0000, NOYB wrote:
What will they cash them in for? US dollars? The yuan is already grossly undervalued compared to the dollar. If China dumped T-bills, the dollar would plummet even further relative to the yuan. China would the world's largest holder of worthless (at least to the Chinese) money. At that point, a US dollar wouldn't buy a piece of fake plastic dog **** from China. What do you suppose that would do to China's economy? And just what do you suppose would happen to our economy? Our massive trade deficit is being financed by the Chinese to the tune of $1 billion per day. Add to that the massive Republican budget deficits, and our side doesn't look healthy enough for any trade war. The fact is, our economy is now too intertwined with China's for any talk of a trade war. A trade war would hurt both sides far too much to be a viable option. |
Harry we are talking about my boat and name, we are not talking about your
Lobster Boat, driveway, yours or your wife's education. If we were talking about them, I would have to agree with you. Bull****. "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Real Name wrote: You are mistaken on both matters. I have a boat and a name. Bull****. |
Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the road. Did
you driveway get it's master degree at Yale? "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... P. Fritz wrote: As do I, and it is too big to keep on a trailer in the driveway. Really? Guy down the road a piece has a 42' Cigarette style boat he keeps on a trailer on his driveway. My driveway is approximately 200' long, including the portion that attaches to our traffic circle, and is 30' wide in spots. I suspect your boat on a trailer and your entire family in a Winnebago would fit on it. -- If it is Bad for Bush, It is Good for the United States. |
HarryKrause wrote:
P. Fritz wrote: As do I, and it is too big to keep on a trailer in the driveway. Really? Guy down the road a piece has a 42' Cigarette style boat he keeps on a trailer on his driveway. My driveway is approximately 200' long, including the portion that attaches to our traffic circle, and is 30' wide in spots. I suspect your boat on a trailer and your entire family in a Winnebago would fit on it. Careful..he'll consider that an invitation and arrive for a cheap vacation. ( re Chevy Chase's brother-in-law Christmas vacation) |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:55:14 +0000, NOYB wrote: What will they cash them in for? US dollars? The yuan is already grossly undervalued compared to the dollar. If China dumped T-bills, the dollar would plummet even further relative to the yuan. China would the world's largest holder of worthless (at least to the Chinese) money. At that point, a US dollar wouldn't buy a piece of fake plastic dog **** from China. What do you suppose that would do to China's economy? And just what do you suppose would happen to our economy? Our massive trade deficit is being financed by the Chinese to the tune of $1 billion per day. Add to that the massive Republican budget deficits, and our side doesn't look healthy enough for any trade war. The fact is, our economy is now too intertwined with China's for any talk of a trade war. A trade war would hurt both sides far too much to be a viable option. Mutually Assured Destruction with economics instead of nukes? Sounds like we're in the second Cold War already. |
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Real Name wrote: Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the road. Did you driveway get it's master degree at Yale? The photo was not shot with a 50 or 55 mm lens or equivalent. It is 60' from the outside edge of my garage floor to the end of the part of the drive where the boat is sitting, and 110' feet from the driveway under the stern of the boat to my private road and another 30' feet of my private road, which I also paved to a little traffic circle where the county road ends. That's a bit over 200'. They paved paradise and put up a parking lot. |
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:23:47 -0400, NOYB wrote:
Mutually Assured Destruction with economics instead of nukes? Sounds like we're in the second Cold War already. LOL Pretty close to it. Although the whole theory of a "Global Market" is that trading partners would have less antagonisms, not more. Still, it seems to be working. Who knows what our relations would be like with China these past thirty years? Since Nixon went to Bejing they have seemed relatively peaceful. |
"NOYB" wrote in message ... "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Real Name wrote: Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the road. Did you driveway get it's master degree at Yale? The photo was not shot with a 50 or 55 mm lens or equivalent. It is 60' from the outside edge of my garage floor to the end of the part of the drive where the boat is sitting, and 110' feet from the driveway under the stern of the boat to my private road and another 30' feet of my private road, which I also paved to a little traffic circle where the county road ends. That's a bit over 200'. They paved paradise and put up a parking lot. It is indeed pretty pathetic when one has to brag about the length of his asphalt driveway in a boating NG. I would guess Krause is making up for some more personal *short comings* he was stuck with in life.....if you catch my drift. ;-) |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:23:47 -0400, NOYB wrote: Mutually Assured Destruction with economics instead of nukes? Sounds like we're in the second Cold War already. LOL Pretty close to it. Although the whole theory of a "Global Market" is that trading partners would have less antagonisms, not more. Still, it seems to be working. Who knows what our relations would be like with China these past thirty years? Since Nixon went to Bejing they have seemed relatively peaceful. I see China benefitting from our trade relationship, but I don't see the U.S. benefitting...particularly in the long run. Sure, in the short term we have cheap toasters and microwaves available at Wal-Mart...but we've lost tens of thousand of manufacturing jobs in the process. The advocates of free trade with China claim that it will open up a huge market (1.6 billion Chinese) for U.S. products...but does anybody really believe that the Chinese will completely open their markets to foreign products...particularly once they start building commercial airplanes, etc.? I don't. The Chinese have waged economic warfare on the U.S. for the past decade, and we haven't even started to fight back. |
"Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message k.net... This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol and on the news. Just watch. Please leave Canada out of your rant. Canada enjoys it's trading status with China. Please read the statement from one of Canada's experts on Foreign Trade. Like it or not Canada is a pawn in the world of trade. |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:23:47 -0400, NOYB wrote: Mutually Assured Destruction with economics instead of nukes? Sounds like we're in the second Cold War already. LOL Pretty close to it. Although the whole theory of a "Global Market" is that trading partners would have less antagonisms, not more. Still, it seems to be working. Who knows what our relations would be like with China these past thirty years? Since Nixon went to Bejing they have seemed relatively peaceful. Trading partners? China is trying to take over the world and they have chosen to do it economically. China's businesses are not independent from government oversight and control. We are in a hot economic war with China. |
Harry does your driveway have a PHD from Yale?
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Real Name wrote: Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the road. Did you driveway get it's master degree at Yale? The photo was not shot with a 50 or 55 mm lens or equivalent. It is 60' from the outside edge of my garage floor to the end of the part of the drive where the boat is sitting, and 110' feet from the driveway under the stern of the boat to my private road and another 30' feet of my private road, which I also paved to a little traffic circle where the county road ends. That's a bit over 200'. A bit larger than the square of concrete in front of your rental townhouse, I suspect. You need a new nickname here. Maybe Fritz can help. I suggest: King of the Newsgroup Dumbfochs. |
"Real Name" wrote in message ... Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the road. Did you driveway get it's master degree at Yale? Obviouly harry knows has much about trailing laws as every other topic he has tried to bluff his way through. "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... P. Fritz wrote: As do I, and it is too big to keep on a trailer in the driveway. Really? Guy down the road a piece has a 42' Cigarette style boat he keeps on a trailer on his driveway. My driveway is approximately 200' long, including the portion that attaches to our traffic circle, and is 30' wide in spots. I suspect your boat on a trailer and your entire family in a Winnebago would fit on it. -- If it is Bad for Bush, It is Good for the United States. |
Yes, Yes, Yes and Yes.
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Real Name wrote: Harry does your driveway have a PHD from Yale? Got a name, boat, job or life, Dirtbag? No proof of it here. GPUAR. -- If it is Bad for Bush, It is Good for the United States. |
NOYB wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Real Name wrote: Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the road. Did you driveway get it's master degree at Yale? The photo was not shot with a 50 or 55 mm lens or equivalent. It is 60' from the outside edge of my garage floor to the end of the part of the drive where the boat is sitting, and 110' feet from the driveway under the stern of the boat to my private road and another 30' feet of my private road, which I also paved to a little traffic circle where the county road ends. That's a bit over 200'. They paved paradise and put up a parking lot. Careful...those are Canadian lyrics by a Canadian singer... |
"Real Name" wrote in message ... Harry we are talking about my boat and name, we are not talking about your Lobster Boat, driveway, yours or your wife's education. If we were talking about them, I would have to agree with you. Bull****. poor harry, life past him by and his only hope is to lie about his (lack of) accomplishments. "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Real Name wrote: You are mistaken on both matters. I have a boat and a name. Bull****. |
Bert Robbins wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:23:47 -0400, NOYB wrote: Mutually Assured Destruction with economics instead of nukes? Sounds like we're in the second Cold War already. LOL Pretty close to it. Although the whole theory of a "Global Market" is that trading partners would have less antagonisms, not more. Still, it seems to be working. Who knows what our relations would be like with China these past thirty years? Since Nixon went to Bejing they have seemed relatively peaceful. Trading partners? China is trying to take over the world and they have chosen to do it economically. China's businesses are not independent from government oversight and control. We are in a hot economic war with China. If that's the case, you're getting your ass whupped daily. |
We have had a deficit for a lot of past Presidents that our grandkids will
not be able to pay off. And the Iraq war, is not the biggest contributor. Is a contributor, but our elected representatives, on all sides of the aisle have not met a spending bill they did not like. Hell, the first Iraq spending bill, had something like 20% pork for districts in the USA. We have to reign in spending and the inflation in this country. 3% inflation doubles prices in about 24 years. wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: China June trade surplus swells five-fold Monday July 11, 8:43 AM EDT BEIJING (Reuters) - China's trade surplus for June swelled five-fold from a year earlier as exports grew much faster than imports, offering more ammunition for foreign critics who argue that Beijing should let the yuan rise in value. The June surplus grew to $9.68 billion, exceeding forecasts of $8.0 billion and towering above the $1.8 billion surplus recorded for June 2004. "The very large trade surplus will give the U.S. and Europe more excuse to put pressure on China to revalue the yuan," said Toshikatsu Kimura, greater China economist with Daiwa Securities in Shanghai. "China needs to import more goods and services to avoid a trade war, but it will be very difficult to import more if it doesn't want to change its macroeconomic policy," he said. -------------------------------------------------------- When the trade war begins (and it will), will China attack Taiwan as a message/warning to the US that it can't be pushed around? Or will they cave on the yuan, and finally let it float? I'm shocked that you are even concerned, NOYB. That mega-billions per month trade surplus pililng up for the Chinese is the only thing that is keeping your party's administration in power in Washington DC. As fast as they can hand money out to Haliburton and other special interests, (blowing past any previous record for government spending by miles, and miles, and miles and piling up a debt that our great grandkids will still be paying off), that's just how fast the Chinese are buying the "paper" that makes it possible. Pray they keep stepping up to the plate, and don't decide to cash in all those US GOVT T bills all at once 'cause if they do we'll all be speaking Mandarin. That's why its so important for conservatives to shop at WalMart- that's China's main retail outlet in the US, and corporate profits are plowed directly back into conservative political campaigns and causes by the Walton Foundation. Would you be willing to see the Bush regime/Republican congress topple to "win" the trade war with China? You won't have one without the other. You of all people should be rooting *for* China, not against it. |
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