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NOYB wrote:
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NOYB wrote:
China June trade surplus swells five-fold
Monday July 11, 8:43 AM EDT



The multinational corporations who control
our government ain't gonna give up their best source for cheap/slave
labor and the incredible profits they make on manufactured goods
produced by people who make dick for a living.

And this is a "bad" thing ?? Cheap goods and profits
for said corporations means cheap goods/profits for
the average person. With rising taxes, and cost of oil,
its refreshing to know that some things are getting
cheaper which helps offset rising costs of oil, etc.
When the *flow* of dollars goes up, so does our
economy, and everyone wins (including the big-bad
corporations). Remember, the 'big-bad' corporations
are made up of regular ordinary people like you & me.








--
If it is Bad for Bush,
It is Good for the United States.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining
the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed
by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it
won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the
Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.


Please leave Canada out of your rant. Canada enjoys it's trading
status
with China.
Please read the statement from one of Canada's experts on Foreign Trade.


Like it or not Canada is a pawn in the world of trade.

But that's their choice, right ?

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NOYB wrote:

This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining
the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed
by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it
won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the
Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.

That's odd, I thought that Republicans praise the mantra of government
not getting involved in private business practices.


It must be tough living in the black and white world of yours Kevin.

Time for you to see the Wizard.

You rang ?

wrote:
NOYB wrote:

This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.

That's odd, I thought that Republicans praise the mantra of government
not getting involved in private business practices.

Very reliably- if and when the private business is owned by a
Republican. :-)

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:09:54 -0400, NOYB wrote:


I see China benefitting from our trade relationship, but I don't see the
U.S. benefitting...particularly in the long run. Sure, in the short term
we have cheap toasters and microwaves available at Wal-Mart...but we've
lost tens of thousand of manufacturing jobs in the process. The advocates
of free trade with China claim that it will open up a huge market (1.6
billion Chinese) for U.S. products...but does anybody really believe that
the Chinese will completely open their markets to foreign
products...particularly once they start building commercial airplanes,
etc.? I don't.

Hey, I didn't say I agreed with the Global Market theories. It seems to
me we are giving it away, but closing the door now is a little late and it
isn't just China. This has been going on for several decades. Look, I'm
an American and I believe in the Red, White and Blue. Multinationals with
free flowing capital only fly the $green$ flag.

The Chinese have waged economic warfare on the U.S. for the past decade,
and we haven't even started to fight back.

Fight back? Hell, we are the reason China is an economic powerhouse.
Before Nixon's visit, China was a Third World country. We opened the
door. We encouraged capital to go to China. Perhaps, we were a little
too successful.

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Real Name wrote:

Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the road.
Did you driveway get it's master degree at Yale?


The photo was not shot with a 50 or 55 mm lens or equivalent.
It is 60' from the outside edge of my garage floor to the end of the part
of the drive where the boat is sitting, and 110' feet from the driveway
under the stern of the boat to my private road and another 30' feet of my
private road, which I also paved to a little traffic circle where the
county road ends. That's a bit over 200'.


They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.


Careful...those are Canadian lyrics by a Canadian singer...

Don, you have a real inferiority complex. You should seek professional help.

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:23:47 -0400, NOYB wrote:



Mutually Assured Destruction with economics instead of nukes? Sounds
like
we're in the second Cold War already.


LOL Pretty close to it. Although the whole theory of a "Global Market"
is that trading partners would have less antagonisms, not more. Still,
it
seems to be working. Who knows what our relations would be like with
China these past thirty years? Since Nixon went to Bejing they have
seemed relatively peaceful.


Trading partners? China is trying to take over the world and they have
chosen to do it economically. China's businesses are not independent from
government oversight and control.

We are in a hot economic war with China.
If that's the case, you're getting your ass whupped daily.

What would you do, Don, get your ass whipped trying or just stand around
with you thumb up your ass.

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:23:47 -0400, NOYB wrote:



Mutually Assured Destruction with economics instead of nukes? Sounds
like
we're in the second Cold War already.


LOL Pretty close to it. Although the whole theory of a "Global Market"
is that trading partners would have less antagonisms, not more. Still,
it
seems to be working. Who knows what our relations would be like with
China these past thirty years? Since Nixon went to Bejing they have
seemed relatively peaceful.


Trading partners? China is trying to take over the world and they have
chosen to do it economically. China's businesses are not independent
from government oversight and control.

We are in a hot economic war with China.
If that's the case, you're getting your ass whupped daily.

What would you do, Don, get your ass whipped trying or just stand around
with you thumb up your ass.


Bert, Don has nothing to offer here but to follow Harry and validate
everything he says or to try and defend Canada as he is doing here. I
cannot ever recall him posting on topic about boating. Best to ignore him.

*JimH* wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:23:47 -0400, NOYB wrote:



Mutually Assured Destruction with economics instead of nukes? Sounds
like
we're in the second Cold War already.


LOL Pretty close to it. Although the whole theory of a "Global Market"
is that trading partners would have less antagonisms, not more. Still,
it
seems to be working. Who knows what our relations would be like with
China these past thirty years? Since Nixon went to Bejing they have
seemed relatively peaceful.


Trading partners? China is trying to take over the world and they have
chosen to do it economically. China's businesses are not independent
from government oversight and control.

We are in a hot economic war with China.
If that's the case, you're getting your ass whupped daily.

What would you do, Don, get your ass whipped trying or just stand around
with you thumb up your ass.


Bert, Don has nothing to offer here but to follow Harry and validate
everything he says or to try and defend Canada as he is doing here. I
cannot ever recall him posting on topic about boating. Best to ignore him.

Bert, JimH has nothing to offer here but following JohnH and validate
everything he says or to try and defend Fritz. I cannot recall him
posting on topic about boating. Best to ignore him.

*JimH* wrote:
Bert, Don has nothing to offer here but to follow Harry and validate
everything he says or to try and defend Canada as he is doing here. I
cannot ever recall him posting on topic about boating. Best to ignore him.


You mean that Bert never posts about boats? Don certainly does, but you
didn't notice because you don't pay attention.

DSK

NOYB wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Real Name wrote:
Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the road.
Did you driveway get it's master degree at Yale?


The photo was not shot with a 50 or 55 mm lens or equivalent.
It is 60' from the outside edge of my garage floor to the end of the part
of the drive where the boat is sitting, and 110' feet from the driveway
under the stern of the boat to my private road and another 30' feet of my
private road, which I also paved to a little traffic circle where the
county road ends. That's a bit over 200'.

They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.

NOYB's jealous because he lives in a cookie cutter subdivision.

"Don White" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:23:47 -0400, NOYB wrote:



Mutually Assured Destruction with economics instead of nukes? Sounds
like
we're in the second Cold War already.


LOL Pretty close to it. Although the whole theory of a "Global Market"
is that trading partners would have less antagonisms, not more. Still,
it
seems to be working. Who knows what our relations would be like with
China these past thirty years? Since Nixon went to Bejing they have
seemed relatively peaceful.


Trading partners? China is trying to take over the world and they have
chosen to do it economically. China's businesses are not independent from
government oversight and control.

We are in a hot economic war with China.
If that's the case, you're getting your ass whupped daily.

Whupped? Canada exports only $6 billion in goods to China. You guys export
$256 billion to the United States.

Your imports from the U.S. and China are $190 billion and $24 billion
respectively.

So your total trade with the US is almost 15 times higher than it is with
China. That's getting "whupped", eh?

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NOYB wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Real Name wrote:
Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the
road.
Did you driveway get it's master degree at Yale?


The photo was not shot with a 50 or 55 mm lens or equivalent.
It is 60' from the outside edge of my garage floor to the end of the
part
of the drive where the boat is sitting, and 110' feet from the driveway
under the stern of the boat to my private road and another 30' feet of
my
private road, which I also paved to a little traffic circle where the
county road ends. That's a bit over 200'.

They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.

NOYB's jealous because he lives in a cookie cutter subdivision.


I don't live in a subdivision any more. I moved out of one about a year
ago, and now live in a house with boating access from the dock in my
backyard.


Here's where I *used to* live:
http://www.oldecypress.com/

NOYB,
Do you have a 300' driveway? ; )


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NOYB wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Real Name wrote:
Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the
road.
Did you driveway get it's master degree at Yale?


The photo was not shot with a 50 or 55 mm lens or equivalent.
It is 60' from the outside edge of my garage floor to the end of the
part
of the drive where the boat is sitting, and 110' feet from the
driveway
under the stern of the boat to my private road and another 30' feet of
my
private road, which I also paved to a little traffic circle where the
county road ends. That's a bit over 200'.

They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.

NOYB's jealous because he lives in a cookie cutter subdivision.


I don't live in a subdivision any more. I moved out of one about a year
ago, and now live in a house with boating access from the dock in my
backyard.


Here's where I *used to* live:
http://www.oldecypress.com/

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Real Name wrote:
Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the
road.
Did you driveway get it's master degree at Yale?

The photo was not shot with a 50 or 55 mm lens or equivalent.
It is 60' from the outside edge of my garage floor to the end of the
part
of the drive where the boat is sitting, and 110' feet from the driveway
under the stern of the boat to my private road and another 30' feet of
my
private road, which I also paved to a little traffic circle where the
county road ends. That's a bit over 200'.
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.

NOYB's jealous because he lives in a cookie cutter subdivision.



Doubtful. Though I wouldn't live in that part of Florida. Too hot, too
many hurricanes.

If I didn't live on the water, I'd go inland about 8-10 miles and buy about
4-5 acres. The lots in Golden Gate estates are all 660' deep...with either
75, 150, or 250 of frontage. The layout of the area looks alot like what's
in Harry's pictures of his driveway and surrounding area, except for the
type of trees (we have cypress trees mostly). 5 years ago, you could have
bought a lot out there for about $15k. Now, the 75x660 lots are selling for
$200k and up. The 4-5 acre lots are selling for $600-800k.

Heck, I'm on a little less than a third of an acre now, and these lots are
going for a million and up.

I just had the house reappraised in order to draw some more equity out to
pay off my school loan, and to use the extra cash to buy some investment
properties... and the appraisal came back 43.5% higher than the one done in
April 2004.


The heat and hurricanes obviously aren't scaring away the folks looking to
move to Naples.

"Real Name" wrote in message
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NOYB,
Do you have a 300' driveway? ; )

Not even if you added 5 of my neighbors driveways to it.

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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wrote:
NOYB wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Real Name wrote:
Wow, the picture I saw of your driveway was only about 30' to the
road.
Did you driveway get it's master degree at Yale?
The photo was not shot with a 50 or 55 mm lens or equivalent.
It is 60' from the outside edge of my garage floor to the end of the
part
of the drive where the boat is sitting, and 110' feet from the
driveway
under the stern of the boat to my private road and another 30' feet
of my
private road, which I also paved to a little traffic circle where the
county road ends. That's a bit over 200'.
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
NOYB's jealous because he lives in a cookie cutter subdivision.


Doubtful. Though I wouldn't live in that part of Florida. Too hot, too
many hurricanes.

If I didn't live on the water, I'd go inland about 8-10 miles and buy
about 4-5 acres. The lots in Golden Gate estates are all 660'
deep...with either 75, 150, or 250 of frontage. The layout of the area
looks alot like what's in Harry's pictures of his driveway and
surrounding area, except for the type of trees (we have cypress trees
mostly). 5 years ago, you could have bought a lot out there for about
$15k. Now, the 75x660 lots are selling for $200k and up. The 4-5 acre
lots are selling for $600-800k.

Heck, I'm on a little less than a third of an acre now, and these lots
are going for a million and up.

I just had the house reappraised in order to draw some more equity out to
pay off my school loan, and to use the extra cash to buy some investment
properties... and the appraisal came back 43.5% higher than the one done
in April 2004.


The heat and hurricanes obviously aren't scaring away the folks looking
to move to Naples.


I hope for your family's sake your resl estate appraisal bubble doesn't
burst.


It really won't hurt me. I can afford the payment on my current home even
if the rates increase a lot 5 years from now when the loan "balloons".

The investment property that I'm looking to get into is actually a home my
brother is trying to buy. He just took a job down here, and cannot afford
to pay what they're getting for entry-level single family homes. I'm
planning on putting up 20%, and he'll add 10%. The remaining 70% will be a
mortgage in his name. When the house is sold, I'll get back 20% of the
sales price (less real estate commissions). I really don't need the money
until I retire, so as long as he sells it sometime in the next 26 years,
I'll be fine.

A house I built in 1982 in a really nice Virginia suburb of DC for around
$275,000 is now on the market for $1,400,000. I built the house well, but
it is only a 2x6 wood frame house, not masonry, and after 20+ years some
of its systems are wearing out.

I understand how the real estate game is played, but these "value"
increases are just plain insane.


I agree that they're nuts. In Punta Gorda, almost 25% of the properties
being bought are bought by speculators who have no plan to even occupy the
home. Those are the folks that will get burned by a bursting bubble. If
you're buying the house to live in, and have no need to sell it anytime
soon, then what's the difference if prices tumble?

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Real Name" wrote in message
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NOYB,
Do you have a 300' driveway? ; )

Not even if you added 5 of my neighbors driveways to it.



Yeah, well, you have a dock. I don't. I'd rather have the dock. But not
in hurricane alley.



I'm 11 1/2 feet above mean sea level. It'd take a slow moving Category 4 or
5 hitting on high incoming tide to flood my house.

We had 100 mph plus winds from Charley, and only lost a dozen and a half
roof tiles (no leaks though) and the screens in our lanai.

That's a small price to pay for immediate access to the water.

On 11 Jul 2005 21:05:29 -0700, " wrote:



wrote:
NOYB wrote:

This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.

That's odd, I thought that Republicans praise the mantra of government
not getting involved in private business practices.

Very reliably- if and when the private business is owned by a
Republican. :-)

Surely there are no Democrats owning private businesses?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

Bert Robbins wrote:

Don, you have a real inferiority complex. You should seek professional help.



That so Dr. Robbins? Is this your "SOBER' opinion?

HarryKrause wrote:
I

cannot ever recall him posting on topic about boating. Best to ignore
him.




99% of the few boating related posts you put up here read like they came
from the label of a marine paint can.


Got a boat?

That's a good one...a 'boatless wonder' complaining about non-boating
posts. The Rev. Jim Baker alias JimH with his usual "do as I say...not
as I do' mantra.

HarryKrause wrote:
Don White wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:


Don, you have a real inferiority complex. You should seek
professional help.


That so Dr. Robbins? Is this your "SOBER' opinion?



Imagine the shame of enlisting in the Marines and turning out to be such
a screw-up that the service was too embarrassed to ship you out of country.


It must be awkward when talking to other 'real marines' who have seen
action all over the world. When they ask Bert what was his most
dangerous assignment what does he say.....sharpening the CO's
pencils...or polishing the artillery piece?

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:14:48 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

Don White wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:

Don, you have a real inferiority complex. You should seek professional
help.


That so Dr. Robbins? Is this your "SOBER' opinion?


Imagine the shame of enlisting in the Marines and turning out to be such
a screw-up that the service was too embarrassed to ship you out of country.

Imagine the shame of being unable to hack *any* military service, and then being
so jealous of those who did that they must try to denigrate any and all service.

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:38:24 GMT, Don White wrote:

HarryKrause wrote:
Don White wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:


Don, you have a real inferiority complex. You should seek
professional help.


That so Dr. Robbins? Is this your "SOBER' opinion?



Imagine the shame of enlisting in the Marines and turning out to be such
a screw-up that the service was too embarrassed to ship you out of country.


It must be awkward when talking to other 'real marines' who have seen
action all over the world. When they ask Bert what was his most
dangerous assignment what does he say.....sharpening the CO's
pencils...or polishing the artillery piece?

Another in the same mold?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:39:23 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:14:48 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

Don White wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:

Don, you have a real inferiority complex. You should seek professional
help.

That so Dr. Robbins? Is this your "SOBER' opinion?

Imagine the shame of enlisting in the Marines and turning out to be such
a screw-up that the service was too embarrassed to ship you out of country.

Imagine the shame of being unable to hack *any* military service, and then being
so jealous of those who did that they must try to denigrate any and all service.



There's a giggle...I'm "upset" at being unable to get into the military.





Let's pray the United States survives the rest of Bush's term.

Why else the blatant jealousy, Harry?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

John H. wrote:


Another in the same mold?


What other military person have you seen me denigrate? You'd better go
back a few years...I'll be here when you return.

HarryKrause wrote:
John H. wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:14:48 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Don White wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:


Don, you have a real inferiority complex. You should seek
professional help.

That so Dr. Robbins? Is this your "SOBER' opinion?


Imagine the shame of enlisting in the Marines and turning out to be
such a screw-up that the service was too embarrassed to ship you out
of country.


Imagine the shame of being unable to hack *any* military service, and
then being
so jealous of those who did that they must try to denigrate any and
all service.




There's a giggle...I'm "upset" at being unable to get into the military.





Let's pray the United States survives the rest of Bush's term.

When I was taking courses at DeVry Institute of Technology, one of our
teachers tried to recruit me into the army. I'm not sure what he had
against me.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:01:53 GMT, Don White wrote:

John H. wrote:


Another in the same mold?


What other military person have you seen me denigrate? You'd better go
back a few years...I'll be here when you return.

Why should one denigrate *anyone's* military service, unless they know there was
a dishonorable discharge involved?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:01:57 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:39:23 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:14:48 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

Don White wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:

Don, you have a real inferiority complex. You should seek professional
help.

That so Dr. Robbins? Is this your "SOBER' opinion?
Imagine the shame of enlisting in the Marines and turning out to be such
a screw-up that the service was too embarrassed to ship you out of country.
Imagine the shame of being unable to hack *any* military service, and then being
so jealous of those who did that they must try to denigrate any and all service.


There's a giggle...I'm "upset" at being unable to get into the military.





Let's pray the United States survives the rest of Bush's term.

Why else the blatant jealousy, Harry?



Jealousy? Of being in the military? Is that today's giggle?

The thought of you attempting Marine Corps Recruit Training is a giggle!

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:03:56 GMT, Don White wrote:

HarryKrause wrote:
John H. wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:14:48 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Don White wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:


Don, you have a real inferiority complex. You should seek
professional help.

That so Dr. Robbins? Is this your "SOBER' opinion?


Imagine the shame of enlisting in the Marines and turning out to be
such a screw-up that the service was too embarrassed to ship you out
of country.


Imagine the shame of being unable to hack *any* military service, and
then being
so jealous of those who did that they must try to denigrate any and
all service.




There's a giggle...I'm "upset" at being unable to get into the military.





Let's pray the United States survives the rest of Bush's term.

When I was taking courses at DeVry Institute of Technology, one of our
teachers tried to recruit me into the army. I'm not sure what he had
against me.

Maybe he held the military in the same high esteem as Harry?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:03:56 GMT, Don White wrote:

HarryKrause wrote:
John H. wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:14:48 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Don White wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:


Don, you have a real inferiority complex. You should seek
professional help.

That so Dr. Robbins? Is this your "SOBER' opinion?


Imagine the shame of enlisting in the Marines and turning out to be
such a screw-up that the service was too embarrassed to ship you out
of country.


Imagine the shame of being unable to hack *any* military service, and
then being
so jealous of those who did that they must try to denigrate any and
all service.




There's a giggle...I'm "upset" at being unable to get into the military.





Let's pray the United States survives the rest of Bush's term.

When I was taking courses at DeVry Institute of Technology, one of our
teachers tried to recruit me into the army. I'm not sure what he had
against me.


PS. :)

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Don White" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:

Don, you have a real inferiority complex. You should seek professional
help.

That so Dr. Robbins? Is this your "SOBER' opinion?

Yes, it is my sober opinion and my not sober opinion.