( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
And
when,
oh
dumb one, wase the list of accomplishments of the Arab
people "accomplished," as it were. More than 100 years ago.
As
I
stated.


You did not state any of the accomplishments over 100 yrs ago,
you
just
stated : "The reality is that for at least the last 100
years,
the
so-called Arab states have contributed absolutely nothing to
the
furthering
of society"

It is so easy to see Harry flip flop on issues, just type in
any
subject
in
Google and you can see Harry arguing the extreme on both sides
of
any
debate.

As badly as I wanted to include the caveat "in the last 100
years"
in
my
criticism of Arabs, I was afraid I'd tip him off to my troll. I
have
to
say...I couldn't have asked for a better reply to my post
however.
He
sometimes diverts course a bit, and I expected a mild rebuke in
this
case.
But "who woulda thunk it" that he'd do a complete 180!?!?



If you *had* included that time limitation in your troll, you
would've
snared YOURSELF. You understand why, right?

No.

If yes, explain why.

Since the answer is "no", *you* must explain why.

Here's my original post, with the 100-year caveat added:

"The Arab nations hated us before Bush, and hate us even more now.
****
'em. What have they contributed to society (in the last 100 years)
except
for oil...which we helped them discover?"

Time for you to hit the books, then. Do you know how to find your
public
library? What you need will not be found on the web.

Negative contributions to society don't count. I obviously needed to
add
an
additional caveat for the anal retentives: "what positive contributions
have
they made in the last 100 years?".

Nevertheless, the whole point of the post was to express my agreement
with
Harry's statement from 2 years ago...and see if he changed his stance
again.



You're stuck on the subject of what Arabs have done to the rest of the
world

Not "done to", but "done for" the rest of the World. What positive
contributions have they made?

during the past 100 years. Reverse that, and get your silly ass to the
library.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in

Reverse that, and get your silly ass to the
library.

I don't go to the library ever since the Patriot Act was passed. Too many
gov't people looking over your shoulder. ;-)

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

Here's the "recipe":
Remove the heads and peel the shrimp. Place them in a tupperware container,
and fill with kosher salt or pickling salt. Shake the container and let it
sit about a week.
Doesn't even need to be refrigerated. Works best with fresh shrimp or those
that recently died.

If you're like me, you end up "renting" a lot of shrimp. I always toss a
bunch back at the end of the day. Next time I have some left over, I'm
salt-curing them.






"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
I'll try to dig it up. It was in either Florida Sportsman or Sal****er
Sportsman in the last 12 months...I think. I keep all of the old
issues,
and when I'm looking for info about fishing in June, I have 4 years
worth of
June issues to read through...so I may have picked up the article in a
back
issue.

It was pretty simple, though. Lay down a heavy layer of salt. Place a
single layer of shrimp on top, and then cover with another heavy layer
of
salt.



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John H wrote:



BTW, we were using both blood worms and shrimp. The blood worms were

untouched


Were they fresh shrimp? Or previously frozen? For unfrozen but dead
dhrimp, I found a one hour dunking in Diet Pepsi made them
irresistable
to whiting, a variety, sadly, not found in the Bay. At least I've not
found any.

I don't much like using frozen shrimp as bait. It disintegrates and
falls off the hook too fast.


I read where you can "salt-cure" the shrimp after they die and it

toughens

them up. You can then store them unrefrigerated. I haven't tried it,

but

the article I read says the salt-cured shrimp stay on the hook much

better

than the frozen stuff, stores easier, and works just as well for
tipping
jigs.




Ever tried a D.O.A. shrimp?


DOA shrimp in "glow" color catches just about anything in SW
Florida...except when the bait fish are plentiful in the late spring,
summer, and early fall , and the fish have a better selection of food
sources. I've tried the other colors without any luck. You can buy a
48-pack direct from DOA on their website. However, it's a variety pack

of

different colors. They'll do all one color, but you have to call them

on

the phone and request it.




Love to see that article on the salt cure for shrimp....






Thanks. I still subscribe to FS, which I consider the best fishing mag
in the known universe. I even have a vague memory of the article you are
mentioning.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in

Reverse that, and get your silly ass to the
library.

I don't go to the library ever since the Patriot Act was passed. Too many
gov't people looking over your shoulder. ;-)



That explains the intensity of your ignorance.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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You're stuck on the subject of what Arabs have done to the rest of the
world

Not "done to", but "done for" the rest of the World. What positive
contributions have they made?

If *this* country had been sliced up and rearranged into meaningless
arrangements by foreign powers and a number of wars, you'd find that OUR
contributions would be hindered somewhat. Survival would become more
important.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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You're stuck on the subject of what Arabs have done to the rest of the
world

Not "done to", but "done for" the rest of the World. What positive
contributions have they made?

If *this* country had been sliced up and rearranged into meaningless
arrangements by foreign powers and a number of wars, you'd find that OUR
contributions would be hindered somewhat. Survival would become more
important.


So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive contributions to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years. Isn't that what I said
last week? And what Harry said 2 1/2 years ago...before he changed his mind?

Your liberalism is showing here. If someone's on welfare, it must be the
fault of the wealthy. Right? If a a guy's head is severed from his body in
front of a video camera, it's the victim's fault. If the Arabs haven't made
one positive contribution to society in the last 100 years, it's the fault
of the West.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in

Reverse that, and get your silly ass to the
library.

I don't go to the library ever since the Patriot Act was passed. Too
many
gov't people looking over your shoulder. ;-)



That explains the intensity of your ignorance.

If you really believed what I just said in jest, then it's not *my*
ignorance (or lack of it) that we should be analyzing.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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You're stuck on the subject of what Arabs have done to the rest of
the
world

Not "done to", but "done for" the rest of the World. What positive
contributions have they made?

If *this* country had been sliced up and rearranged into meaningless
arrangements by foreign powers and a number of wars, you'd find that OUR
contributions would be hindered somewhat. Survival would become more
important.


So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive contributions to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years. Isn't that what I said
last week? And what Harry said 2 1/2 years ago...before he changed his
mind?

Your liberalism is showing here. If someone's on welfare, it must be the
fault of the wealthy. Right? If a a guy's head is severed from his body
in
front of a video camera, it's the victim's fault. If the Arabs haven't
made
one positive contribution to society in the last 100 years, it's the fault
of the West.

It's the new dem's campaign strategy......"Blame it on America"

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

NOYB wrote:
The article I was referencing was one I had mentioned back in January. I
haven't been able to find the specific article, but it talked about how
women have a tendency to vote for a Democrat when they achieve higher levels
of education...and men's voting habits go in the exact opposite direction
(they tend to vote for Republicans).

I'd bet that net income tracks voting more accurately than education.
And while there is a Young Republican "movement" on the campuses around
here (and I'd guess around elsewhere in the country too), college
populations are overwhelmingly liberal & Democrat (the two aren't the
same thing, no matter what you & Rush say).

DSK

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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You're stuck on the subject of what Arabs have done to the rest of
the
world

Not "done to", but "done for" the rest of the World. What positive
contributions have they made?

If *this* country had been sliced up and rearranged into meaningless
arrangements by foreign powers and a number of wars, you'd find that OUR
contributions would be hindered somewhat. Survival would become more
important.


So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive contributions to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years. Isn't that what I said
last week? And what Harry said 2 1/2 years ago...before he changed his
mind?

I said nothing of the kind. What I said is true. If a country or region is
ravaged by war, or politically manipulated in ways which were not designed
to benefit the region, it has SOME EFFECT on the ability to function in what
you or I would consider "normal". But, you deny that the Middle East has
been touched by us, Europe or Russia over the past 100 years, so this is
probably difficult for you to comprehend.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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You're stuck on the subject of what Arabs have done to the rest of
the
world

Not "done to", but "done for" the rest of the World. What positive
contributions have they made?

If *this* country had been sliced up and rearranged into meaningless
arrangements by foreign powers and a number of wars, you'd find that
OUR
contributions would be hindered somewhat. Survival would become more
important.


So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive contributions
to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years. Isn't that what I
said
last week? And what Harry said 2 1/2 years ago...before he changed his
mind?

Your liberalism is showing here. If someone's on welfare, it must be
the
fault of the wealthy. Right? If a a guy's head is severed from his body
in
front of a video camera, it's the victim's fault. If the Arabs haven't
made
one positive contribution to society in the last 100 years, it's the
fault
of the West.

It's the new dem's campaign strategy......"Blame it on America"

Oh. Another genius who was chokin' his chicken in history class. Here's a
yes or no question for you. Do you believe that on the whole, the countries
of the Middle East have been left pretty much alone for the past 100 years,
and were able to pursue a natural course of development? Yes, or no.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in

Reverse that, and get your silly ass to the
library.

I don't go to the library ever since the Patriot Act was passed. Too
many
gov't people looking over your shoulder. ;-)



That explains the intensity of your ignorance.

If you really believed what I just said in jest, then it's not *my*
ignorance (or lack of it) that we should be analyzing.



I didn't consider it "jest". I considered it a lame excuse for not having
the slightest clue about how the last 100 years of world history have
affected the Middle East. Rather than replying correctly and saying "You're
right - I am pretty loose in that area of learning", you've chosen to BE the
jester.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive contributions to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years.

They're out the

For example,
Chemistry. (Nobel prize winner in 1999 was an Arab)


****************
www.whitehouse.org

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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You're stuck on the subject of what Arabs have done to the rest of
the
world

Not "done to", but "done for" the rest of the World. What positive
contributions have they made?

If *this* country had been sliced up and rearranged into meaningless
arrangements by foreign powers and a number of wars, you'd find that
OUR
contributions would be hindered somewhat. Survival would become more
important.


So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive contributions
to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years. Isn't that what I
said
last week? And what Harry said 2 1/2 years ago...before he changed his
mind?

I said nothing of the kind. What I said is true. If a country or region is
ravaged by war, or politically manipulated in ways which were not designed
to benefit the region, it has SOME EFFECT on the ability to function in
what
you or I would consider "normal". But, you deny that the Middle East has
been touched by us, Europe or Russia over the past 100 years

Oh, give it up. There have been many races, cultures, and nations which
have been tinkered with by outside influence over the years. Yet, most of
those have managed to make significant contributions to society despite the
"oppression". Quit making excuses for the Arabs. They've contributed zilch
over the last century.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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You're stuck on the subject of what Arabs have done to the rest
of
the
world

Not "done to", but "done for" the rest of the World. What
positive
contributions have they made?

If *this* country had been sliced up and rearranged into meaningless
arrangements by foreign powers and a number of wars, you'd find that
OUR
contributions would be hindered somewhat. Survival would become more
important.


So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive
contributions
to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years. Isn't that what I
said
last week? And what Harry said 2 1/2 years ago...before he changed his
mind?

Your liberalism is showing here. If someone's on welfare, it must be
the
fault of the wealthy. Right? If a a guy's head is severed from his
body
in
front of a video camera, it's the victim's fault. If the Arabs
haven't
made
one positive contribution to society in the last 100 years, it's the
fault
of the West.

It's the new dem's campaign strategy......"Blame it on America"

Oh. Another genius who was chokin' his chicken in history class. Here's a
yes or no question for you. Do you believe that on the whole, the
countries
of the Middle East have been left pretty much alone for the past 100
years,
and were able to pursue a natural course of development? Yes, or no.


No.

Now a question for you:
What positive contributions have the Arab nations made to society in the
last 100 years? (This isn't the time to lay blame...just list the
contributions).

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

NOYB wrote:
What positive contributions have the Arab nations made to society in the
last 100 years?

WTF??

Are you still on the "let's launch a holy crusade to exterminate the
Arabs" kick?

Let's assume, for a moment, that Arabs have not made any 'contributions
to society' in the past 100 years. Does that justify a war against any
or all Arab and/or Muslim nations?

What positive contributions have *you* made, NOBBY?

DSK

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in

Reverse that, and get your silly ass to the
library.

I don't go to the library ever since the Patriot Act was passed.
Too
many
gov't people looking over your shoulder. ;-)



That explains the intensity of your ignorance.

If you really believed what I just said in jest, then it's not *my*
ignorance (or lack of it) that we should be analyzing.



I didn't consider it "jest". I considered it a lame excuse for not having
the slightest clue about how the last 100 years of world history have
affected the Middle East. Rather than replying correctly and saying
"You're
right - I am pretty loose in that area of learning", you've chosen to BE
the
jester.

Fine, I'm the jester. But you haven't a clue as to what I do or don't know
about the history of the Middle East in the last 100 years. As for your
self-righteous assertion that you're more well-informed on the topic because
of *where* you obtain your info...well, it's almost laughable. NPR and your
local library don't teach you anything that isn't available elsewhere if you
look hard enough.

Now that you've changed the subject to: a) Arabs lack of achievment is
because of the West, and b) NOYB's knowledge of the Middle East in the last
100 years, do you care to answer the question?

What positive contributions have the Arab world made to society in the last
100 years?

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive contributions
to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years.

They're out the

For example,
Chemistry. (Nobel prize winner in 1999 was an Arab)


That's a bit of stretch, don't you think, Chuck? The guy had been an
instructer at Caltech for 23 years prior to the award. He was more
"American" than Arab. Excluding Arab-Americans, Arab-Europeans, etc., what
positive contributions have Arabs living in Arab nations made to society in
the last 100 years?

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

What contributions have the Arabs made in the last 100 years?
2003 Nobel Peace Prize winner SHIRIN EBADI for her efforts for democracy and
human rights
1994 Nobel Peace Prize winners YASSER ARAFAT , Chairman of the Executive
Committee of the PLO, President of the Palestinian National Authority.
SHIMON PERES , Foreign Minister of Israel and YITZHAK RABIN , Prime Minister
of Israel, for their efforts to create peace in the Middle East.
1978 Nobel Peace Prize winners MOHAMED ANWAR AL-SADAT , President of the
Arab Republic of Egypt and MENACHEM BEGIN , Prime Minister of Israel, for
jointly negotiating peace between Egypt and Israel.

Granted this is only a start... but 3 nobel peace prizes in the last 26
years is a darned good start.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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Now a question for you:
What positive contributions have the Arab nations made to society in the
last 100 years? (This isn't the time to lay blame...just list the
contributions).

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
What positive contributions have the Arab nations made to society in the
last 100 years?

WTF??

Are you still on the "let's launch a holy crusade to exterminate the
Arabs" kick?

Let's assume, for a moment, that Arabs have not made any 'contributions
to society' in the past 100 years. Does that justify a war against any
or all Arab and/or Muslim nations?


My comment was in reponse to the statement that all Arab nations hate us.
Essentially, I'm saying "who cares"...they're irrelevant in the whole scheme
of things...unless of course they attack us. Only *then* do they become
relevant...and then I *do* say that their lack of contributions to society
should be considered when we're deciding just how many kiloton nuke we
should drop on 'em.


What positive contributions have *you* made, NOBBY?

Many. Let me use an anology. Were I to be arrested, for instance, the judge
would look at my long list of positive contributions to my community...and
his punishment would be doled out accordingly. If I were a jobless vagrant
who had many run-ins with the law and never contributed anything useful to
society, I'd have a lot harsher punishment. It happens all the time in our
justice system. I'm saying "let's apply the same standard to nations".

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wrote in message
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1994 Nobel Peace Prize winners YASSER ARAFAT , Chairman of the Executive
Committee of the PLO, President of the Palestinian National Authority.

Hehehe. Says a lot about the validity of the Nobel selection committee.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

NOYB wrote:
... we're deciding just how many kiloton nuke we
should drop on 'em.

I am beginning to think that you are not really a socialist trying to
make BushCo look bad, but rather that you are indeed sick in the head.
I've always thought you were pretending, now I'm not sure.


What positive contributions have *you* made, NOBBY?


Many.

Like what? If you were Mother Theresa and Andrew Carnegie rolled into
one, it wouldn't compensate for your hateful & destructive attitude.
What you should do is move to a small country ruled by a brutal
dictator. Then you could be happy. Maybe they'd even let you torture a
few helpless people.

Instead you are trying to turn my country into a fascist state, and of
course I don't like it one bit.

DSK

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
What positive contributions have the Arab nations made to society in the
last 100 years?

WTF??

Are you still on the "let's launch a holy crusade to exterminate the
Arabs" kick?

Well, Islam has been on a crusade to convert the world to Islam and if the
infidels don't convert then they must be killed.

Let's assume, for a moment, that Arabs have not made any 'contributions
to society' in the past 100 years. Does that justify a war against any
or all Arab and/or Muslim nations?

Just the ones that support terrorism.

What positive contributions have *you* made, NOBBY?

He is ****ing off you and the rest of whacko left around this group.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
... we're deciding just how many kiloton nuke we
should drop on 'em.

I am beginning to think that you are not really a socialist trying to
make BushCo look bad, but rather that you are indeed sick in the head.
I've always thought you were pretending, now I'm not sure.


What positive contributions have *you* made, NOBBY?


Many.

Like what? If you were Mother Theresa and Andrew Carnegie rolled into
one, it wouldn't compensate for your hateful & destructive attitude.
What you should do is move to a small country ruled by a brutal
dictator. Then you could be happy.

I'm already happy with the way things are going.

Maybe they'd even let you torture a
few helpless people.

I do that for a living.





Instead you are trying to turn my country into a fascist state, and of
course I don't like it one bit.

I care about what you like less than I care about the Arabs.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

NOYB wrote:
I care about what you like less than I care about the Arabs.

So, next you'll advocate that Bush/Cheney invade North Carolina?

DSK

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net...
"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
What positive contributions have the Arab nations made to society in the
last 100 years?

WTF??

Are you still on the "let's launch a holy crusade to exterminate the
Arabs" kick?

Let's assume, for a moment, that Arabs have not made any 'contributions
to society' in the past 100 years. Does that justify a war against any
or all Arab and/or Muslim nations?


My comment was in reponse to the statement that all Arab nations hate us.
Essentially, I'm saying "who cares"...they're irrelevant in the whole scheme
of things...unless of course they attack us. Only *then* do they become
relevant...and then I *do* say that their lack of contributions to society
should be considered when we're deciding just how many kiloton nuke we
should drop on 'em.

Then where would the oil that you republicans want us dependent on
going to come from? Where will Halliburton/Cheney/Bush/Rummy's profits
come from?


What positive contributions have *you* made, NOBBY?

Many. Let me use an anology. Were I to be arrested, for instance, the judge
would look at my long list of positive contributions to my community...and
his punishment would be doled out accordingly. If I were a jobless vagrant
who had many run-ins with the law and never contributed anything useful to
society, I'd have a lot harsher punishment. It happens all the time in our
justice system. I'm saying "let's apply the same standard to nations".

Wow, you think you are quite special, huh? What a little twit you must
be.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net...
"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
What positive contributions have the Arab nations made to society in the
last 100 years?

WTF??

Are you still on the "let's launch a holy crusade to exterminate the
Arabs" kick?

Let's assume, for a moment, that Arabs have not made any 'contributions
to society' in the past 100 years. Does that justify a war against any
or all Arab and/or Muslim nations?


My comment was in reponse to the statement that all Arab nations hate us.
Essentially, I'm saying "who cares"...they're irrelevant in the whole scheme
of things...unless of course they attack us. Only *then* do they become
relevant...and then I *do* say that their lack of contributions to society
should be considered when we're deciding just how many kiloton nuke we
should drop on 'em.


What positive contributions have *you* made, NOBBY?

Many. Let me use an anology. Were I to be arrested, for instance, the judge
would look at my long list of positive contributions to my community...and
his punishment would be doled out accordingly. If I were a jobless vagrant
who had many run-ins with the law and never contributed anything useful to
society, I'd have a lot harsher punishment. It happens all the time in our
justice system. I'm saying "let's apply the same standard to nations".

Hmm, let's see. NOYB thinks he's quite special in the community
because he pulls teeth from old retired ladies, but then, in the same
breath, ****s on the Nobel Peace Prize given to someone who has done
good, honest, humanitarian deeds.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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You're stuck on the subject of what Arabs have done to the
rest
of
the
world

Not "done to", but "done for" the rest of the World. What
positive
contributions have they made?

If *this* country had been sliced up and rearranged into
meaningless
arrangements by foreign powers and a number of wars, you'd find
that
OUR
contributions would be hindered somewhat. Survival would become
more
important.


So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive
contributions
to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years. Isn't that what
I
said
last week? And what Harry said 2 1/2 years ago...before he changed
his
mind?

Your liberalism is showing here. If someone's on welfare, it must
be
the
fault of the wealthy. Right? If a a guy's head is severed from his
body
in
front of a video camera, it's the victim's fault. If the Arabs
haven't
made
one positive contribution to society in the last 100 years, it's the
fault
of the West.

It's the new dem's campaign strategy......"Blame it on America"

Oh. Another genius who was chokin' his chicken in history class. Here's
a
yes or no question for you. Do you believe that on the whole, the
countries
of the Middle East have been left pretty much alone for the past 100
years,
and were able to pursue a natural course of development? Yes, or no.


No.

Now a question for you:
What positive contributions have the Arab nations made to society in the
last 100 years? (This isn't the time to lay blame...just list the
contributions).

A series of great books by Naguib Mahfouz.

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NOYB wrote:
What positive contributions have the Arab nations made to society in
the
last 100 years?

WTF??

Are you still on the "let's launch a holy crusade to exterminate the
Arabs" kick?

Let's assume, for a moment, that Arabs have not made any 'contributions
to society' in the past 100 years. Does that justify a war against any
or all Arab and/or Muslim nations?


My comment was in reponse to the statement that all Arab nations hate us.
Essentially, I'm saying "who cares"...they're irrelevant in the whole
scheme
of things...unless of course they attack us. Only *then* do they become
relevant...and then I *do* say that their lack of contributions to society
should be considered when we're deciding just how many kiloton nuke we
should drop on 'em.


What positive contributions have *you* made, NOBBY?

Many. Let me use an anology. Were I to be arrested, for instance, the
judge
would look at my long list of positive contributions to my community...and
his punishment would be doled out accordingly. If I were a jobless
vagrant
who had many run-ins with the law and never contributed anything useful to
society, I'd have a lot harsher punishment. It happens all the time in
our
justice system. I'm saying "let's apply the same standard to nations".

Time to bomb Iceland, then.

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You're stuck on the subject of what Arabs have done to the rest
of
the
world

Not "done to", but "done for" the rest of the World. What
positive
contributions have they made?

If *this* country had been sliced up and rearranged into meaningless
arrangements by foreign powers and a number of wars, you'd find that
OUR
contributions would be hindered somewhat. Survival would become more
important.


So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive
contributions
to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years. Isn't that what I
said
last week? And what Harry said 2 1/2 years ago...before he changed his
mind?

I said nothing of the kind. What I said is true. If a country or region
is
ravaged by war, or politically manipulated in ways which were not
designed
to benefit the region, it has SOME EFFECT on the ability to function in
what
you or I would consider "normal". But, you deny that the Middle East has
been touched by us, Europe or Russia over the past 100 years

Oh, give it up. There have been many races, cultures, and nations which
have been tinkered with by outside influence over the years. Yet, most of
those have managed to make significant contributions to society despite
the
"oppression". Quit making excuses for the Arabs. They've contributed
zilch
over the last century.



Your attitude has one redeeming quality. You will raise your children to
think as you do. Therefore, companies like McDonald's and Wendy's will never
have problems staffing their front counters, and I will be able to get lunch
quickly.

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So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive contributions
to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years.

They're out the

For example,
Chemistry. (Nobel prize winner in 1999 was an Arab)


That's a bit of stretch, don't you think, Chuck? The guy had been an
instructer at Caltech for 23 years prior to the award. He was more
"American" than Arab. Excluding Arab-Americans, Arab-Europeans, etc.,
what
positive contributions have Arabs living in Arab nations made to society
in
the last 100 years?



What contributions would you consider valid ones?

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NOYB wrote:
What positive contributions have the Arab nations made to society in
the
last 100 years?

WTF??

Are you still on the "let's launch a holy crusade to exterminate the
Arabs" kick?

Let's assume, for a moment, that Arabs have not made any
'contributions
to society' in the past 100 years. Does that justify a war against any
or all Arab and/or Muslim nations?


My comment was in reponse to the statement that all Arab nations hate
us.
Essentially, I'm saying "who cares"...they're irrelevant in the whole
scheme
of things...unless of course they attack us. Only *then* do they become
relevant...and then I *do* say that their lack of contributions to
society
should be considered when we're deciding just how many kiloton nuke we
should drop on 'em.

Then where would the oil that you republicans want us dependent on
going to come from?

Oil is unaffected by nukes. It'll still be there...only with nothing in the
way between it and us.

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"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
What positive contributions have the Arab nations made to society in
the
last 100 years?

WTF??

Are you still on the "let's launch a holy crusade to exterminate the
Arabs" kick?

Let's assume, for a moment, that Arabs have not made any
'contributions
to society' in the past 100 years. Does that justify a war against any
or all Arab and/or Muslim nations?


My comment was in reponse to the statement that all Arab nations hate
us.
Essentially, I'm saying "who cares"...they're irrelevant in the whole
scheme
of things...unless of course they attack us. Only *then* do they become
relevant...and then I *do* say that their lack of contributions to
society
should be considered when we're deciding just how many kiloton nuke we
should drop on 'em.


What positive contributions have *you* made, NOBBY?

Many. Let me use an anology. Were I to be arrested, for instance, the
judge
would look at my long list of positive contributions to my
community...and
his punishment would be doled out accordingly. If I were a jobless
vagrant
who had many run-ins with the law and never contributed anything useful
to
society, I'd have a lot harsher punishment. It happens all the time in
our
justice system. I'm saying "let's apply the same standard to nations".

Time to bomb Iceland, then.

Obviously the point zipped right over your head. If Iceland were turning
out terrorists as rapidly as the Middle East, you'd have to weigh its
positive contributions vs. its negative contributions to society when
deciding what level of punishment to inflict upon them.

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"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
What positive contributions have the Arab nations made to society
in
the
last 100 years?

WTF??

Are you still on the "let's launch a holy crusade to exterminate the
Arabs" kick?

Let's assume, for a moment, that Arabs have not made any
'contributions
to society' in the past 100 years. Does that justify a war against
any
or all Arab and/or Muslim nations?


My comment was in reponse to the statement that all Arab nations hate
us.
Essentially, I'm saying "who cares"...they're irrelevant in the whole
scheme
of things...unless of course they attack us. Only *then* do they
become
relevant...and then I *do* say that their lack of contributions to
society
should be considered when we're deciding just how many kiloton nuke we
should drop on 'em.

Then where would the oil that you republicans want us dependent on
going to come from?

Oil is unaffected by nukes. It'll still be there...only with nothing in
the
way between it and us.



You can't get rid of nuclear contamination with dental floss. Would you send
your kids into a hot zone as employees of Exxon?

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You're stuck on the subject of what Arabs have done to the
rest
of
the
world

Not "done to", but "done for" the rest of the World. What
positive
contributions have they made?

If *this* country had been sliced up and rearranged into
meaningless
arrangements by foreign powers and a number of wars, you'd find
that
OUR
contributions would be hindered somewhat. Survival would become
more
important.


So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive
contributions
to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years. Isn't that what
I
said
last week? And what Harry said 2 1/2 years ago...before he changed
his
mind?

I said nothing of the kind. What I said is true. If a country or
region
is
ravaged by war, or politically manipulated in ways which were not
designed
to benefit the region, it has SOME EFFECT on the ability to function
in
what
you or I would consider "normal". But, you deny that the Middle East
has
been touched by us, Europe or Russia over the past 100 years

Oh, give it up. There have been many races, cultures, and nations which
have been tinkered with by outside influence over the years. Yet, most
of
those have managed to make significant contributions to society despite
the
"oppression". Quit making excuses for the Arabs. They've contributed
zilch
over the last century.



Your attitude has one redeeming quality. You will raise your children to
think as you do. Therefore, companies like McDonald's and Wendy's will
never
have problems staffing their front counters, and I will be able to get
lunch
quickly.

That's pretty funny, Doug...especially coming from someone who's son was out
of a job for months on end due to his possessing no positive redeeming
qualities.

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So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive
contributions
to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years.

They're out the

For example,
Chemistry. (Nobel prize winner in 1999 was an Arab)


That's a bit of stretch, don't you think, Chuck? The guy had been an
instructer at Caltech for 23 years prior to the award. He was more
"American" than Arab. Excluding Arab-Americans, Arab-Europeans, etc.,
what
positive contributions have Arabs living in Arab nations made to society
in
the last 100 years?



What contributions would you consider valid ones?

The light bulb, penicillin, the first computer, the internal combustion
engine and the automobile, space travel, airplanes, pre-emptive strikes, and
supply side economics. ;-)

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"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
What positive contributions have the Arab nations made to
society
in
the
last 100 years?

WTF??

Are you still on the "let's launch a holy crusade to exterminate
the
Arabs" kick?

Let's assume, for a moment, that Arabs have not made any
'contributions
to society' in the past 100 years. Does that justify a war against
any
or all Arab and/or Muslim nations?


My comment was in reponse to the statement that all Arab nations
hate
us.
Essentially, I'm saying "who cares"...they're irrelevant in the
whole
scheme
of things...unless of course they attack us. Only *then* do they
become
relevant...and then I *do* say that their lack of contributions to
society
should be considered when we're deciding just how many kiloton nuke
we
should drop on 'em.

Then where would the oil that you republicans want us dependent on
going to come from?

Oil is unaffected by nukes. It'll still be there...only with nothing in
the
way between it and us.



You can't get rid of nuclear contamination with dental floss. Would you
send
your kids into a hot zone as employees of Exxon?

Do you mean before or after we dropped nukes?

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
What positive contributions have the Arab nations made to
society
in
the
last 100 years?

WTF??

Are you still on the "let's launch a holy crusade to exterminate
the
Arabs" kick?

Let's assume, for a moment, that Arabs have not made any
'contributions
to society' in the past 100 years. Does that justify a war
against
any
or all Arab and/or Muslim nations?


My comment was in reponse to the statement that all Arab nations
hate
us.
Essentially, I'm saying "who cares"...they're irrelevant in the
whole
scheme
of things...unless of course they attack us. Only *then* do they
become
relevant...and then I *do* say that their lack of contributions to
society
should be considered when we're deciding just how many kiloton
nuke
we
should drop on 'em.

Then where would the oil that you republicans want us dependent on
going to come from?

Oil is unaffected by nukes. It'll still be there...only with nothing
in
the
way between it and us.



You can't get rid of nuclear contamination with dental floss. Would you
send
your kids into a hot zone as employees of Exxon?

Do you mean before or after we dropped nukes?



After, dummy. You said oil is unaffected, which implies we could still go
get it. If not your kids, who would you expect to do that job?

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...
"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
...


You're stuck on the subject of what Arabs have done to the
rest
of
the
world

Not "done to", but "done for" the rest of the World. What
positive
contributions have they made?

If *this* country had been sliced up and rearranged into
meaningless
arrangements by foreign powers and a number of wars, you'd find
that
OUR
contributions would be hindered somewhat. Survival would become
more
important.


So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive
contributions
to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years. Isn't that
what
I
said
last week? And what Harry said 2 1/2 years ago...before he changed
his
mind?

I said nothing of the kind. What I said is true. If a country or
region
is
ravaged by war, or politically manipulated in ways which were not
designed
to benefit the region, it has SOME EFFECT on the ability to function
in
what
you or I would consider "normal". But, you deny that the Middle East
has
been touched by us, Europe or Russia over the past 100 years

Oh, give it up. There have been many races, cultures, and nations
which
have been tinkered with by outside influence over the years. Yet,
most
of
those have managed to make significant contributions to society
despite
the
"oppression". Quit making excuses for the Arabs. They've contributed
zilch
over the last century.



Your attitude has one redeeming quality. You will raise your children to
think as you do. Therefore, companies like McDonald's and Wendy's will
never
have problems staffing their front counters, and I will be able to get
lunch
quickly.

That's pretty funny, Doug...especially coming from someone who's son was
out
of a job for months on end due to his possessing no positive redeeming
qualities.



What the **** are you talking about? My son's 15. :-) It's illegal in this
state for kids that age to do much of anything except mow lawns.

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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So what you're saying is that you can't list any positive
contributions
to
society from the Arab world in the last 100 years.

They're out the

For example,
Chemistry. (Nobel prize winner in 1999 was an Arab)


That's a bit of stretch, don't you think, Chuck? The guy had been an
instructer at Caltech for 23 years prior to the award. He was more
"American" than Arab. Excluding Arab-Americans, Arab-Europeans, etc.,
what
positive contributions have Arabs living in Arab nations made to
society
in
the last 100 years?



What contributions would you consider valid ones?

The light bulb, penicillin, the first computer, the internal combustion
engine and the automobile, space travel, airplanes, pre-emptive strikes,
and
supply side economics. ;-)



Hmm. No literature. Not surprising, coming from the court jester.