"thunder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:50:26 +0000, NOYB wrote:

U.S. Army Says It Finds Shell with Sarin Agent in Iraq

"However, a senior coalition source

*My* story quotes an actual named source (Gen. Kimmitt). *Your* story
quotes an anonymous "senior coalition source". Consequently, I'd be more
inclined to believe my story than yours.

Liberals seem to quote a lot of anonymous sources. Is that because most
people don't want to admit to talking to liberals? Or is it because liberals
lie about their sources?

"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...

You mean, paying attention to the facts is "screwed up?"


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Sure, NOBBY, sure.

Meanwhile, please explain to me what ties Al Zaqarwi had with Saddam
Hussein... when he was living & operating in an area where the US
exerted more control than Iraq...

According to Colin Powell's speech to the UN on Feb. 5th, 2003:


a.. Abu Musaq Zaqarwi: poison terror training center, including ricin.
Photo of factory at Kurmal. One pinch kills in 72 hours, no antidote.
a.. Developed with al Qaeda safe haven in Kurdish NE Iraq, where Saddam
has agent.
a.. Terrorists have gathered in Baghdad for 8 months. In contact with al-
Zaqarwi.

Colon Powel last Sunday on Meet The Press... We have found that our
multisourced information from before the war was incorrect.

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...

You mean, paying attention to the facts is "screwed up?"


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Sure, NOBBY, sure.

Meanwhile, please explain to me what ties Al Zaqarwi had with Saddam
Hussein... when he was living & operating in an area where the US
exerted more control than Iraq...

According to Colin Powell's speech to the UN on Feb. 5th, 2003:


a.. Abu Musaq Zaqarwi: poison terror training center, including ricin.
Photo of factory at Kurmal. One pinch kills in 72 hours, no antidote.
a.. Developed with al Qaeda safe haven in Kurdish NE Iraq, where Saddam
has agent.
a.. Terrorists have gathered in Baghdad for 8 months. In contact with
al-
Zaqarwi.

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link.net...
Colon Powel last Sunday on Meet The Press... We have found that our
multisourced information from before the war was incorrect.


Great. And what specifically was he referring to? Certainly not al Qaeda's
link to Saddam.

Sorry Noyb... You appear to be wrong again

http://www.wtkr.com/global/story.asp?s=1873574
Rumsfeld says it wasn't necessarily sarin

Washington-AP -- Don't jump to any conclusions just yet. That warning comes
from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, after the U-S military in Iraq
announced that a roadside bomb containing sarin nerve gas had exploded near
a U-S military convoy.

Rumsfeld told a Washington, D-C audience that the "field test" showing the
presence of sarin may not be accurate. He says more analysis needs to be
done -- and that it may take some time to find out just what the chemical
was.

In Baghdad, officials said the bomb was apparently left over from the Saddam
era. They said two members of a military bomb squad were treated for "minor
exposure" -- but that there were no serious injuries.

One official says the shell apparently contained two chemicals that are
designed to combine and create sarin -- but that they didn't mix properly.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
In February, 2003, Powell said that al Zaqarwi was an al Qaeda
agent
operating in northeastern Iraq.

You mean, in the Kurd controlled area? How long are you going to
keep
shooting yourself in the foot with this one?

Actually, since most of the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis, and
the
Bush family as well as the Bush/Cheney administration are great pals
with the Saudis; + the fact that this guy al Zaqarwi was in Kurd
territory and not only did Bush buddy up to the Kurds but he angered
our
long standing & staunch allies the Turks by doing so... that looks
to
me
like there is a better case to be made that Bush has ties to Al
Queda
than that Saddam did.


Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...


... We now know that is true, as he's the one
currently organizing the attacks against US and Iraqi troops.
Powell
also
mentioned something about WMD's, didn't he? Seems he was right
about
that
one as well.

Yes, I distinctly remember him saying to the U.N. that the Iraqis
had
an
shell full of sarin...


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Please provide the following information:

1) Wednesday's winning Lotto numbers for NY.
2) The number of fish I will catch this evening, and what species.
3) Which of your patients will be in a car accident within the next 6
months.

Number 3 would be easy. When they're deaf and near-blind, and their cars
look like they're fresh off the set of Mad Max, it's a sure bet that
they'll
be in an accident withing the next 6 months. Number 2 would be easy as
well: you'll catch no fish tonight. Number 1 is purely random, so
there's
no way to accurately predict it.

Number 4, "Finding the WMD", is a sure thing however.

Is this the same Colin Powell who has said that the Bush administration
has deliberately kept him misinformed, and who said that he in turn
mislead the UN?

NOYB wrote:
According to Colin Powell's speech to the UN on Feb. 5th, 2003:


a.. Abu Musaq Zaqarwi: poison terror training center, including ricin.
Photo of factory at Kurmal.

And this is proof of Saddam's involvement... how?

... One pinch kills in 72 hours, no antidote.

Other than to invoke panic, is there any reason that the effectiveness
of the poison is evidence against Saddam?

a.. Developed with al Qaeda safe haven in Kurdish NE Iraq, where Saddam
has agent.

Trying to help or hurt? Considering that Al Queda had several times
publicly declared Saddam Hussein to be one of their biggest enemies, it
seems unlikely to me that an "Al queda safe haven" in territory
controlled by enemies of Saddam is very good proof he was involved in
the Sept 11th attack.

a.. Terrorists have gathered in Baghdad for 8 months. In contact with al-
Zaqarwi.

Which terrorists? Gathering for what purpose?

It seems very murky and incomplete to me. OTOH the simple facts are that
the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis and Egyptian. Have we seen any
anti-terrorist operations in Egypt on Saudi Arabia?

But wait, there's more. The Turks were among our best allies in the
Middle East, now they are coming to hate us. The Syrians were very
cooperative in anti-terrorist operations, now Bush & Cheney have slapped
them with sanctions and they are likely to begin aiding & abetting them.
North Korea is closer than ever to having an atom bomb, and Bush &
Cheney have done nothing about that. Furthermore, Wolfowitz and
Rumsfeld's policy of deliberately flouting the Geneva Convention seems
to be skating closer and closer to a war crimes issue. Their
politicization of the U.S. intelligence community is making it less and
less effective.

This is just a short list, and makes it readily apparent that Bush &
Cheney's strategy seems curiously ineffective in fighting terrorism.
OTOH it is tremendously effective in generating profits for military
contractors starting with Halliburton of course.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Is this the same Colin Powell who has said that the Bush administration
has deliberately kept him misinformed, and who said that he in turn
mislead the UN?


Powell never claimed such a thing.

"NOYB" wrote in message news:Ud6qc.14427
Depends upon if you're upwind or downwind after a sarin-filled munition is
detonated, eh?

You need to at least learn to read, and comprehend what you have read.
"Sarin filled"????? It was found to have TRACES of Sarin!!!!!!

"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message news:Ud6qc.14427
Depends upon if you're upwind or downwind after a sarin-filled munition
is
detonated, eh?

You need to at least learn to read, and comprehend what you have read.
"Sarin filled"????? It was found to have TRACES of Sarin!!!!!!

And, last nights news quoted Army sources as saying that since field tests
weren't as accurate as lab tests, no conclusions should be drawn about
ANYTHING regarding the issue yet.

And, last nights news quoted Army sources as saying that since field tests
weren't as accurate as lab tests, no conclusions should be drawn about
ANYTHING regarding the issue yet.

Point of reference:

In the early days of the war, we will all recall fresh reports of chemical and
biological weapons on almost a daily basis. Every single case, except for some
10-year old munitions forgotten in the desert after Gulf War I (that had
literally rusted through and were not usable in any form), was ultimately
revealed to be a false alarm based on an inaccurate field test.

If the bad actors in Iraq had chemical or bio weapons, they would be using
them.
If you're willing to behead a guy on video tape, there isn't much that you
would avoid doing.

Is it somehow weird to be sorry there wasn't really a mountain of chemical and
biological weapons in Iraq? Other than vindicating Bush's initial justification
for the invasion, what good would they do?

Let's be glad there weren't any weapons to find, glad Hussein is out of power,
and hopeful that our national adventure in Iraq will come to an honorable end.
Sooner, rather than later.