Newsgroup reader:

You have neatly dodged my invitation to explain to the group how Sea
Ray hulls are laid up.
You agree that Pascoe's site is bogus, and yet you seem to discount the
independent web site as equally inaccurate. You offer some vague
observation that the truth is somehwere "in between".

Layup is a technical issue that can be precisely described. If Pascoe
is not accurate and you insist the technical website is not acuurate,
would you please enlighten us about the actual layup process and
schedule? Failure to do so would leave us all with the impression that
you are talking through that hat you bought at West Marine- the one
with all the scrambled eggs on the visor and "Captain" stitched into
the crown.

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Newsgroup reader:

You have neatly dodged my invitation to explain to the group how Sea
Ray hulls are laid up.
You agree that Pascoe's site is bogus, and yet you seem to discount the
independent web site as equally inaccurate. You offer some vague
observation that the truth is somehwere "in between".

Layup is a technical issue that can be precisely described. If Pascoe
is not accurate and you insist the technical website is not acuurate,
would you please enlighten us about the actual layup process and
schedule? Failure to do so would leave us all with the impression that
you are talking through that hat you bought at West Marine- the one
with all the scrambled eggs on the visor and "Captain" stitched into
the crown.


Why the need for a personal attack on him Chuck? And you blame others for
doing exactly what *you* do. Amazing.

*JimH* wrote:
Why the need for a personal attack on him Chuck?

Why is asking for further explanation considered a "personal attack"?

DSK

Gould,
In the two web sites your provided I learned that Sea Ray use robots to
spray chopped strand fiberglass into the molds. I could not find on either
of the web sites you provided anything that came close to resembling a
technical layout schedule. I did not see anything that discussed the
thickness of the gel coat or the thickness of chopped fiberglass strand,
including minimum and maximum thickness between the high stress areas and
the low stress areas. I did not see anything that discuss how much time
they allow for the gel coat to cure or the fiberglass to cure between each
step. I did not see anything that discussed the ratio of fiberglass to
epoxy nor the relative strength characteristics of this cost saving
technique versus the traditional methods of laying fiberglass hulls. I did
see two web sites selling the benefits of their products, without providing
the technical layout schedule.

I did think it was very humorous that you thought the advertisement
published by the company who sold SeaRay the robots to "an independent web
site".



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Newsgroup reader:

You have neatly dodged my invitation to explain to the group how Sea
Ray hulls are laid up.
You agree that Pascoe's site is bogus, and yet you seem to discount the
independent web site as equally inaccurate. You offer some vague
observation that the truth is somehwere "in between".

Layup is a technical issue that can be precisely described. If Pascoe
is not accurate and you insist the technical website is not acuurate,
would you please enlighten us about the actual layup process and
schedule? Failure to do so would leave us all with the impression that
you are talking through that hat you bought at West Marine- the one
with all the scrambled eggs on the visor and "Captain" stitched into
the crown.

Smithers wrote:

Gould,
In the two web sites your provided I learned that Sea Ray use robots to

spray chopped strand fiberglass into the molds. I could not find on
either
of the web sites you provided anything that came close to resembling a
technical layout schedule. I did not see anything that discussed the
thickness of the gel coat or the thickness of chopped fiberglass
strand,
including minimum and maximum thickness between the high stress areas
and
the low stress areas. I did not see anything that discuss how much
time
they allow for the gel coat to cure or the fiberglass to cure between
each
step. I did not see anything that discussed the ratio of fiberglass to

epoxy nor the relative strength characteristics of this cost saving
technique versus the traditional methods of laying fiberglass hulls. I
did
see two web sites selling the benefits of their products, without
providing
the technical layout schedule.

*************

Yet you claim sufficient knowledge to be able to dismiss both Larry's
malicious slam and the general description of the layup process on the
non- Sea Ray site as equally misleading. Once you got past the false
notion that I was using one of my own articles to support my argument,
you then claimed the truth is "somewhere in between."

Once again, why not allow the group the benefit of your detailed and
precise knowledge about Sea Ray layup? Just exactly *where*, in
between, does the "truth" fall? Surely you must know, or you wouldn't
presume to make such a statement.

It's amazing that you choose to believe that a company responsible for
supplying robotics to Sea Ray wouldn't be able to accurately describe
how those robots function and what they do.
Oh well. You're entitled to your opinion and conjecture.

Chuck,
You have absolutely no idea what the technical layout schedule for SeaRay
is. You have provided absolutely no information except advertisements from
SeaRay and the robot supplier, yet you think you have provided valuable
info. Larry's info was based upon personal info, yours is based upon public
relations bull****.

I do believe the company who built the robots can describe what they are
capable of doing, and they did a good job of doing that. They did not nor
did SeaRay discuss any details concerning their technical fiberglass lay-up.
The fact that you think either of those web sites did either, places any of
your observations in questions..

The one thing everyone who has ever read your boat "reviews" or observations
agrees upon is they are well written fluff pieces designed to sell ad space
in your magazine. I don't think anyone has ever thought they were anything
else. You have become delusional in your thought process.


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Smithers wrote:

Gould,
In the two web sites your provided I learned that Sea Ray use robots to

spray chopped strand fiberglass into the molds. I could not find on
either
of the web sites you provided anything that came close to resembling a
technical layout schedule. I did not see anything that discussed the
thickness of the gel coat or the thickness of chopped fiberglass
strand,
including minimum and maximum thickness between the high stress areas
and
the low stress areas. I did not see anything that discuss how much
time
they allow for the gel coat to cure or the fiberglass to cure between
each
step. I did not see anything that discussed the ratio of fiberglass to

epoxy nor the relative strength characteristics of this cost saving
technique versus the traditional methods of laying fiberglass hulls. I
did
see two web sites selling the benefits of their products, without
providing
the technical layout schedule.

*************

Yet you claim sufficient knowledge to be able to dismiss both Larry's
malicious slam and the general description of the layup process on the
non- Sea Ray site as equally misleading. Once you got past the false
notion that I was using one of my own articles to support my argument,
you then claimed the truth is "somewhere in between."

Once again, why not allow the group the benefit of your detailed and
precise knowledge about Sea Ray layup? Just exactly *where*, in
between, does the "truth" fall? Surely you must know, or you wouldn't
presume to make such a statement.

It's amazing that you choose to believe that a company responsible for
supplying robotics to Sea Ray wouldn't be able to accurately describe
how those robots function and what they do.
Oh well. You're entitled to your opinion and conjecture.

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Yet you claim sufficient knowledge to be able to dismiss both Larry's
malicious slam and the general description of the layup process on the
non- Sea Ray site as equally misleading. Once you got past the false
notion that I was using one of my own articles to support my argument,
you then claimed the truth is "somewhere in between."

Once again, why not allow the group the benefit of your detailed and
precise knowledge about Sea Ray layup? Just exactly *where*, in
between, does the "truth" fall? Surely you must know, or you wouldn't
presume to make such a statement.

It's amazing that you choose to believe that a company responsible for
supplying robotics to Sea Ray wouldn't be able to accurately describe
how those robots function and what they do.
Oh well. You're entitled to your opinion and conjecture.


Here are the various lamination schedules of Four Winns, a middle of the
road production boat:
http://www.fourwinns.com/lamination.cfm

SeaRay does not offer this information on their website.

What is the layup schedule of the SeaRay boat you gave a fluff review on
Chuck? You should know after your *detailed* review of the boat and the
company.

JimH,

I have not looked at a SeaRay in the last few years, when I did their larger
boats were middle of the road boats, their smaller ones were price point
boats there were at the bottom of the barrel. I don't believe SeaRay has
changed their marketing strategy from trying to be a middle of the road boat
builder. The reason for the robots is to save money and hopefully provide
consistent middle of the road if quality. Using a fiberglass chop gun has
always been a preferred method of low end boat builders, so I would look
very closely before buying a SeaRay. The fact that Gould uses the robot
manufacturer as his source of technical info concerning the fiberglass
lamination schedule amazes me. Especially since the web site does not
discuss anything concerning a fiberglass lamination schedule.

Gould has become a victim of actually believing his PR pieces.


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Yet you claim sufficient knowledge to be able to dismiss both Larry's
malicious slam and the general description of the layup process on the
non- Sea Ray site as equally misleading. Once you got past the false
notion that I was using one of my own articles to support my argument,
you then claimed the truth is "somewhere in between."

Once again, why not allow the group the benefit of your detailed and
precise knowledge about Sea Ray layup? Just exactly *where*, in
between, does the "truth" fall? Surely you must know, or you wouldn't
presume to make such a statement.

It's amazing that you choose to believe that a company responsible for
supplying robotics to Sea Ray wouldn't be able to accurately describe
how those robots function and what they do.
Oh well. You're entitled to your opinion and conjecture.


Here are the various lamination schedules of Four Winns, a middle of the
road production boat:
http://www.fourwinns.com/lamination.cfm

SeaRay does not offer this information on their website.

What is the layup schedule of the SeaRay boat you gave a fluff review on
Chuck? You should know after your *detailed* review of the boat and the
company.

Newsgroup Reader wrote:
The fact that Gould uses the robot
manufacturer as his source of technical info concerning the fiberglass
lamination schedule amazes me. Especially since the web site does not
discuss anything concerning a fiberglass lamination schedule.


Wow. Are you ever confused. I *never* said I was providing a detailed
layup schedule, only a link to a site that detailed how (as in the
general technique) the boats are laid up.

Tell us, please, where "in the middle" between Pascoe's assertion that
Sea Ray boats aren't really fibergalss at all, but made of "putty"
instead and the photos of a Sea Ray hull being constructed from chopped
strand doed the "truth" reside? Why do you now concentrte on personal
attacks rather than come forward with this information you claim to
possess?

I guess the answer is obvious, isn't it?

Gould,
I have not made any person attacks, that seems to be your bailiwick
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Newsgroup Reader wrote:
The fact that Gould uses the robot
manufacturer as his source of technical info concerning the fiberglass
lamination schedule amazes me. Especially since the web site does not
discuss anything concerning a fiberglass lamination schedule.


Wow. Are you ever confused. I *never* said I was providing a detailed
layup schedule, only a link to a site that detailed how (as in the
general technique) the boats are laid up.

Tell us, please, where "in the middle" between Pascoe's assertion that
Sea Ray boats aren't really fibergalss at all, but made of "putty"
instead and the photos of a Sea Ray hull being constructed from chopped
strand doed the "truth" reside? Why do you now concentrte on personal
attacks rather than come forward with this information you claim to
possess?

I guess the answer is obvious, isn't it?