Do they itemize the remaining portion of the $2880 that isn't sales
tax? (Sales tax should be about $900, right?)


As far as "how flexible are dealers with the $9,999 MSRP?" Obviously
very. They flexed *up* almost $2k.

There probably isn't much profit in that boat at $9,999.
Often isn't on leaders, and the $9999 price has been the advertised
MSRP on the entry level boat for a long time. Costs have been climbing
while the price has not, so the only thing that can give way is profit.
The dealer may be required to purchase a certain number of the loss
leaders, but cannot be compelled to sell them at a price the factory
"suggests".

The dealer might actually need to ask for the additional dough over and
above MSRP to make the deal pencil; in which case the builder is to
blame for publishing an unrealistic MSRP just as much as the dealer is
to blame for failing to follow the "manufacturer's suggeston".

8.?% sales tax, yea, and like $997 for destination/prep (stated on the
Bayliner site),
but don't know where the balance of the "$12,875 out the door price is".
I'll ask.

Thanks for this info - it gives me a much better insight. Don't know if
dickering
with this MSRP is even worth it since I see how much more the 185's and
195's
are. For example, the 185 jumps up to $16,???, and the 195 like 18K+.




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Do they itemize the remaining portion of the $2880 that isn't sales
tax? (Sales tax should be about $900, right?)


As far as "how flexible are dealers with the $9,999 MSRP?" Obviously
very. They flexed *up* almost $2k.

There probably isn't much profit in that boat at $9,999.
Often isn't on leaders, and the $9999 price has been the advertised
MSRP on the entry level boat for a long time. Costs have been climbing
while the price has not, so the only thing that can give way is profit.
The dealer may be required to purchase a certain number of the loss
leaders, but cannot be compelled to sell them at a price the factory
"suggests".

The dealer might actually need to ask for the additional dough over and
above MSRP to make the deal pencil; in which case the builder is to
blame for publishing an unrealistic MSRP just as much as the dealer is
to blame for failing to follow the "manufacturer's suggeston".

Well it's pulling a bit closer into reality.

If the Bayliner site discloses a $997 destination charge, then the
actual MSRP is
really about $11k rather than $9995.

Add 8.8% to $11k, and you're up to within a short spit of $12k.

They should be able to account for that last $875 somewhere, maybe its
a charge for bottom paint, custom pinstripes, a fancy wax job, etc.
Odds are almost 100% that whatever is being charged out at $875 cost
only a small portion of that number...BUT, that said, the dealer needs
to make a profit to stay in business.

There are two perspectives available in a situation like this. The
first is to get all hung up on the horrible reality that the boat
dealer sells boats for more than he pays for them and go into some funk
because somebody will make a very small profit along the line. Not a
suggested approach. The second is to simply compare all the new boats
you can buy for $128XX out the door, (or whatever you budget dictates)
and pick and choose between them to get the one you like the most and
will serve you best.

As you have noticed- there is almost *no* competition in the Under-$13k
out the door for new boat, motor and trailer category. Almost reduces
the question to do you like it or not and do you choose to afford it or
not, as the list of competing offers won't be especially long.
One reason you won't run into a lot of wheeling and dealing on that
model is the margins are so darn skinny that the dealer's bottom line
won't change much regardless whether you buy the boat or not.

Note about the "missing" $875........it occurs to me that the math thus
far hasn't included anything for license and registration of the boat
and the trailer. You may find a lot of the $875 in those two numbers.