"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:

http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10359

Extract

For the past year and a half, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington
Post,
USA Today, Newsday, The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, The
Christian
Science Monitor and other leading newspapers have repeatedly quoted
unnamed
U.S. intelligence officials boasting about the use of torture and other
ill
treatment of prisoners. Numerous detainees have been killed or attempted
suicide in custody in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo Bay, prompting
unprecedented expressions of concern by the International Committee of
the
Red Cross; suspects have been turned over to the foreign intelligence
services of countries, such as Syria, with records of brutal torture;
the
ICRC has also specifically expressed concern about conditions at Abu
Ghraib
prison in Iraq; and now, the U.S. military's own inquiry has found
"systemic
and illegal abuse of detainees" at Abu Ghraib.

................

This pattern of conduct has caused extraordinary damage to the cause of
human rights around the world, as well as to the United States and to
its
ability to conduct foreign policy successfully, from Iraq to the global
campaign against terrorism.



Repugs don't care about that...just ask Happy Toof

Hey, dat's me! Yeah, Harry's right...I don't care what the World thinks.
If torturing those guys saved one American life, then it was worth it.

"NOYB" ...

Hey, dat's me! Yeah, Harry's right...I don't care what the World thinks.
If torturing those guys saved one American life, then it was worth it.

If your son or daughter were captured would you accept reciprocity.

-rick-

"-rick-" wrote in message
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"NOYB" ...

Hey, dat's me! Yeah, Harry's right...I don't care what the World
thinks.
If torturing those guys saved one American life, then it was worth it.

If your son or daughter were captured would you accept reciprocity.

The enemy has already demonstrated how they treat (mistreat) hostages. Do I
need to link you to the pictures? They're still pretty vivid in my mind.

In article , says...

"-rick-" wrote in message
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"NOYB" ...

Hey, dat's me! Yeah, Harry's right...I don't care what the World
thinks.
If torturing those guys saved one American life, then it was worth it.

If your son or daughter were captured would you accept reciprocity.

The enemy has already demonstrated how they treat (mistreat) hostages. Do I
need to link you to the pictures? They're still pretty vivid in my mind.

What a crock. If the Iraqis invaded Naples, you'd put their heads on
pike poles to scare off their comrades.

Don't **** me, don't **** yourself. You know the truth.

jps

"NOYB" wrote in message ...
"-rick-" wrote in message
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"NOYB" ...

Hey, dat's me! Yeah, Harry's right...I don't care what the World
thinks.
If torturing those guys saved one American life, then it was worth it.

If your son or daughter were captured would you accept reciprocity.

The enemy has already demonstrated how they treat (mistreat) hostages. Do I
need to link you to the pictures? They're still pretty vivid in my mind.

They are only the enemy because we invaded their country. How would
YOU treat, let's say, the Chinese "coalition", if they decided that
they needed to invade our country, with enough troops to totally
occupy it, because they claimed that we had weapons of mass
destruction, no wait, that we harbored and helped Al Quida, not wait,
that we were planning on invading them with cardboard aircraft, no
wait, that Saddam is bad, no wait, because they are evil-doers??

Instead it killed an American Civilian... A man in Iraq for no other reason
than to help rebuild, to make life better for Iraqi people...

No, the Iraqi didn't kill him, he was killed by the real enemy, the ones we
are supposed to be at war with... He was killed by al-Qaida...

An American killed, his head cut off. His body left alongside a bridge in
Baghdad.

Saved 1 American life... No, it caused an innocent to die.

You flipping right wing jack asses seem to think we should go to any means
to complete the fantasy your leader has, yet it is costing innocent lives.
American Innocent, Iraqi Innocent, it doesn't matter, it has to stop.


Nick Berg from Pennsylvania.... Remember that name as you praise the people
that torture.
His mother - Suzanne
His Father - Michael
His Sister - Sarah
His Brother - David

Remember these 5 names as you praise the work of the current administration,
remember them as you open your eyes to see the failed policy, the needless
deaths.

It must end, America must withdraw, the killing must come to an end.


"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jim wrote:

http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10359

Hey, dat's me! Yeah, Harry's right...I don't care what the World thinks.
If torturing those guys saved one American life, then it was worth it.

On Tue, 11 May 2004 22:31:55 GMT, wrote:

Instead it killed an American Civilian... A man in Iraq for no other reason
than to help rebuild, to make life better for Iraqi people...

No, the Iraqi didn't kill him, he was killed by the real enemy, the ones we
are supposed to be at war with... He was killed by al-Qaida...

An American killed, his head cut off. His body left alongside a bridge in
Baghdad.

Saved 1 American life... No, it caused an innocent to die.

You flipping right wing jack asses seem to think we should go to any means
to complete the fantasy your leader has, yet it is costing innocent lives.
American Innocent, Iraqi Innocent, it doesn't matter, it has to stop.


Nick Berg from Pennsylvania.... Remember that name as you praise the people
that torture.
His mother - Suzanne
His Father - Michael
His Sister - Sarah
His Brother - David

Remember these 5 names as you praise the work of the current administration,
remember them as you open your eyes to see the failed policy, the needless
deaths.

It must end, America must withdraw, the killing must come to an end.


"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jim wrote:

http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10359

Hey, dat's me! Yeah, Harry's right...I don't care what the World thinks.
If torturing those guys saved one American life, then it was worth it.




Don't forget the 3000 from 9/11. Or are they forgotten now? Or maybe that was
because of Bush too? Weren't we "withdrawn" then?

Yup, it's our fault. Bull****.


http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/h...0405120104.htm

"My name is Nick Burg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is Susan,"
the man said on the video. "I have a brother and sister, David and Sarah. I live
in ...Philaphedelia."

After reading a statement, the men were seen pulling the man to his side and
putting a large knife to his neck. A scream sounded as the men cut his head off,
shouting "Allahu Akbar!" "God is great." They then held the head out before the
camera.

"For the mothers and wives of American soldiers, we tell you that we offered the
U.S. administration to exchange this hostage with some of the detainees in Abu
Ghraib and they refused," one of the men read from a statement.

"So we tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and
others is not redeemed except by blood and souls. You will not receive anything
from us, but coffins after coffins ...slaughtered in this way."

Note the "rationale" for this beheading. The word "retribution" was added by the
American media.

Yet you show no anger, except towards the American government. Freedom is a
bitch, isn't it?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John
You right winged jack ass, September 11, 2001 was done by al-Qaida... What
does that have to do with an unjust war in Iraq?

Not a freaking thing.

Yes we lost almost 3000 that day... Go to war against those that caused that
day to happen, not against the people of Iraq.

It is clear, by the name of the suposed man involved with Saturday's
travesty that al-Qaida is the enemy.

al-Qaida is the one trying to kill Americans
al-Qaida is the one killing innocent Americans
al-Qaida is the one we are at war with

America wouldn't negotiate with these criminals, America wouldn't do
anything to help save this mans life, America thought him to be expendable.

Not my America, only yours. My America would have taken the time needed to
find where this man was, then mow down the full lot of them including the
prisoners they wanted released.

My America would have brought this man home safe.

I'm not sure what America you live in, but I want nothing to do with any
America that thinks any AMERICAN is expendable.

Remember these people, as they deserve to be remembered... They have paid
the ultimate price for you to sit on your right winged ass and say they
aren't worth it.


Nick Berg from Pennsylvania.... Remember that name as you praise the people
that torture.
His mother - Suzanne
His Father - Michael
His Sister - Sarah
His Brother - David

Remember these 5 names as you praise the work of the current administration,
remember them as you open your eyes to see the failed policy, the needless
deaths.

It must end, America must withdraw, the killing must come to an end.

I pity you

"John H" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 22:31:55 GMT, wrote:

Don't forget the 3000 from 9/11. Or are they forgotten now? Or maybe that
was
because of Bush too? Weren't we "withdrawn" then?

Yup, it's our fault. Bull****.



Note the "rationale" for this beheading. The word "retribution" was added
by the
American media.

Yet you show no anger, except towards the American government. Freedom is
a
bitch, isn't it?

John H

wrote in message
nk.net...
John
You right winged jack ass, September 11, 2001 was done by al-Qaida... What
does that have to do with an unjust war in Iraq?

In February 2003, Colin Powell made the case before the UN that al Zaqawi
was in control of an Iraqi al Qaeda group.

The nexus with Al Qaeda, Mr. Powell said, originates with a branch headed by
Abu Massab al-Zaqawi, a senior associate of Osama bin Laden. He said Mr.
Zaqawi has a camp in the northeastern corner of Kurdish Iraq teaching
terrorist operatives how to produce ricin and other extremely lethal
chemicals. He said Mr. Zaqawi has received medical treatment in Baghdad and
that there are also other Zaqawi brigades operating in Baghdad.
"From his terrorist network in Iraq, Zaqawi can direct his terrorist network
in the Middle East and beyond," Mr. Powell said. He also accused Mr. Zaqawi
of providing money and weapons used in the murder of Lawrence Foley, an
employee with the Agency for International Development, in Amman, Jordan
last October. He noted that "Al Qaeda continues to have deep interest in
acquiring weapons of mass destruction" and that Qaeda operatives trained
with chemical weapons in Iraq between 1997 and 2000."

Now, al Zaqawi is leading the terrorist attacks against coalition troops,
civilians, and oil pipelines and rigs in the region. It doesn't take a
genius to see the relation.





Not a freaking thing.

Must be nice living in denial. Everything's peachy-keen there, eh?


Yes we lost almost 3000 that day... Go to war against those that caused
that
day to happen, not against the people of Iraq.


The people who made 9/11 happen are the ones who are trying to kill our
troops in Iraq.


It is clear, by the name of the suposed man involved with Saturday's
travesty that al-Qaida is the enemy.

Well, no **** Sherlock.



al-Qaida is the one trying to kill Americans
al-Qaida is the one killing innocent Americans
al-Qaida is the one we are at war with

al Qaida has a heavy presence in Iraq...now...and before the war.


America wouldn't negotiate with these criminals, America wouldn't do
anything to help save this mans life, America thought him to be
expendable.

What would you have had America to do? Leave Iraq? As if that would have
worked...

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. First you said he was
killed because of what happened in Abu Ghraib. Then you said he was killed
because America wouldn't help him. If he was killed because of Abu Ghraid,
then there was nothing we could have done anyhow. Right?


Not my America, only yours. My America would have taken the time needed to
find where this man was, then mow down the full lot of them including the
prisoners they wanted released.

The tape lasted a little over 5 minutes. It would have been a helluva feat
to locate the terrorists and kill 'em before the last 30 seconds of it.


My America would have brought this man home safe.

I'm not sure what America you live in, but I want nothing to do with any
America that thinks any AMERICAN is expendable.

Remember these people, as they deserve to be remembered... They have paid
the ultimate price for you to sit on your right winged ass and say they
aren't worth it.


Nick Berg from Pennsylvania.... Remember that name as you praise the
people
that torture.
His mother - Suzanne
His Father - Michael
His Sister - Sarah
His Brother - David

Remember these 5 names as you praise the work of the current
administration,
remember them as you open your eyes to see the failed policy, the needless
deaths.

It must end, America must withdraw, the killing must come to an end.

I pity you


The killing will only continue. However, it will be in NY, and LA, and
Chicago, and Washington...instead of Baghdad, Fallujah, Basra, and Najaf.
No thanks.

On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:23:36 -0400, NOYB wrote:


In February 2003, Colin Powell made the case before the UN that al
Zaqawi was in control of an Iraqi al Qaeda group.

While al-Zarqawi is definitely anti-American, some analysts dispute that
he is al Qaeda. Oh, and much of his terrorist training was under the
watchful eye of our very own CIA in Afghanistan fighting the Soviets. You
have to love the foresight exhibited by our trusty spooks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3483089.stm



The nexus with Al Qaeda, Mr. Powell said, originates with a branch
headed by Abu Massab al-Zaqawi, a senior associate of Osama bin Laden.
He said Mr. Zaqawi has a camp in the northeastern corner of Kurdish Iraq
teaching terrorist operatives how to produce ricin and other extremely
lethal chemicals.

Just to remind you, Kurdish Iraq was in the US defined "no-fly zone",
where al-Zarqawi was protected from Saddam, by *us*.