The message was directed to "New to Boating". A little defensive, Harry?

Harry Krause wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote:

Maybe you can take this a step further and ask them to demo one or two
on *your* boat. The dealer will probably have to be on the water for
them to accommodate you.

Dan


Harry Krause wrote:

New to Boating wrote:

Hand tiller outboards-Which would you choose?

Yamaha/Mercury 30 hp 747cc 3 cyl. $3500
Yamaha 25hp 498cc 2 cyl. hi-thrust model $3200

Suzuki/Johnson 25 hp or 30 hp 597cc 3 cyl. $3100 or $3500

Nissan 25hp or 30 hp 492cc $2800 or $3000

Honda 25 hp or 30 hp 552cc 2 cyl.$3500 or $3800

Going on a 18' Sea Ark MV1872 heavy duty (.125 aluminum) "super" jon
boat (80 hp max?)
fuel efficiency most important. Cruising at moderate speeds, around
15mph is the goal.
Is this underpowered @ 25-30 hp?
Thanks!



Is there anyway you can get a demo ride on a boat equipped with one
of hte engines you are considering? I think you're going to be
disappointed with the "efficient" cruise speed.





Ya think? Naw, the little outboard bracket on my Parker is for an 8 or
10 hp jobbie.

How about your boat, Dan?Can he take it out for a trial?

New to Boating wrote in message ...
That's what the dealer who sold Mercury said... He suggested a 40 hp as
a minimum. He really thought I should get a console for the boat and put
on a much bigger 4 cylinder engine. That would blow my budget!
Here's the boat's specs...
MV1872 Specifications
Overall Length: 18 ft.
Beam: 95 in.
Bottom Width: 72 in.
Side Depth: 28 in.
Gauge: .125 in.
Rating: 80/130 hp
Weight Cap: 2075 lbs.
Persons Cap: 12/1650 lbs.
Approximate Weight: 750 lbs.
Transom Height: 20 in.
http://seaark.com/site/htmlos/02506....42758012687376

It was sold in a foreclosure auction with a very basic single axle
trailer (13" wheels) for $1500 2 weeks ago. It is used (2001) but in
excellent shape. No motor. New, I estimate the boat and trailer to be
about $5000, so I think I did OK so far.

Joseph Stachyra wrote:
WAY UNPOWERED buy one of those motors also get oars to assist


Had an 18 foot Colombian with a 25. It barely got to 12mph and one day
when we were trying to outrun a storm, I realized why an underpowered
boat just plain sucks. The next weekend when I was trying to actually
get somewhere I became so frustrated I literally trailered it, the
engine is in the basement.
Scotty

I called about getting a demo to the Mercury dealer. He said no demos of
new motors (because then they'd be used motors) but he would demo used
motors. He has a 1998 Mercury 2 stroke electric start 40 hp that he'd
sell for $1000. I don't think I want a 2 stroke, as the pollution
bothers me. I bet I could get him down to $950. When I visited him I got
the impression business was slow. It also seems that 2/3's his inventory
is used, and most of the used stuff isn't a year or two old, more like
6-10 years old. It is a 40 hp. I'm sure it will not perform as a 40 hp 4
stroke, but at least I'll be in the ballpark.

Dan Krueger wrote:
Maybe you can take this a step further and ask them to demo one or two
on *your* boat. The dealer will probably have to be on the water for
them to accommodate you.

Dan


Harry Krause wrote:

New to Boating wrote:

Hand tiller outboards-Which would you choose?

Yamaha/Mercury 30 hp 747cc 3 cyl. $3500
Yamaha 25hp 498cc 2 cyl. hi-thrust model $3200

Suzuki/Johnson 25 hp or 30 hp 597cc 3 cyl. $3100 or $3500

Nissan 25hp or 30 hp 492cc $2800 or $3000

Honda 25 hp or 30 hp 552cc 2 cyl.$3500 or $3800

Going on a 18' Sea Ark MV1872 heavy duty (.125 aluminum) "super" jon
boat (80 hp max?)
fuel efficiency most important. Cruising at moderate speeds, around
15mph is the goal.
Is this underpowered @ 25-30 hp?
Thanks!



Is there anyway you can get a demo ride on a boat equipped with one of
hte engines you are considering? I think you're going to be
disappointed with the "efficient" cruise speed.

Actually it will perform better than the 4 stroke since it is lighter and
has better acceleration. As said before, I don't believe you will be happy
w/ a 40. You never want to run the engine at wide open for long periods of
time. Poor fuel economy and very hard on the engine.

--
Tony
my boats at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com



"New to Boating" wrote in message
...
I called about getting a demo to the Mercury dealer. He said no demos of
new motors (because then they'd be used motors) but he would demo used
motors. He has a 1998 Mercury 2 stroke electric start 40 hp that he'd
sell for $1000. I don't think I want a 2 stroke, as the pollution
bothers me. I bet I could get him down to $950. When I visited him I got
the impression business was slow. It also seems that 2/3's his inventory
is used, and most of the used stuff isn't a year or two old, more like
6-10 years old. It is a 40 hp. I'm sure it will not perform as a 40 hp 4
stroke, but at least I'll be in the ballpark.

Dan Krueger wrote:
Maybe you can take this a step further and ask them to demo one or two
on *your* boat. The dealer will probably have to be on the water for
them to accommodate you.

Dan


Harry Krause wrote:

New to Boating wrote:

Hand tiller outboards-Which would you choose?

Yamaha/Mercury 30 hp 747cc 3 cyl. $3500
Yamaha 25hp 498cc 2 cyl. hi-thrust model $3200

Suzuki/Johnson 25 hp or 30 hp 597cc 3 cyl. $3100 or $3500

Nissan 25hp or 30 hp 492cc $2800 or $3000

Honda 25 hp or 30 hp 552cc 2 cyl.$3500 or $3800

Going on a 18' Sea Ark MV1872 heavy duty (.125 aluminum) "super" jon
boat (80 hp max?)
fuel efficiency most important. Cruising at moderate speeds, around
15mph is the goal.
Is this underpowered @ 25-30 hp?
Thanks!



Is there anyway you can get a demo ride on a boat equipped with one of
hte engines you are considering? I think you're going to be
disappointed with the "efficient" cruise speed.

I figured as much. We have a friend who repowered a 30' 1991 Suntracker
Party Hut pontoon boat this spring. This thing had a 75 hp 3 cylinder
Mercury 2 stroke of the same vintage, it moved OK, but not great. He
wants to sell me the 75hp for $1200, but it is too loud for me.
Now it has a 115hp 4 cylinder 4 stroke Mercury. (My friend says 2004 is
the last year for his Party Hut... next year he'll get a 32' Party
Cruiser, which weighs about 1000 lbs more and needs the 115hp.)
My friend says with the new motor they can go much faster, if they
choose, it burns about the same amount of fuel, and now you don't have
to shout to hear each other when the motor is running. I rode with them
a few times last year. What a racket from that motor... If the 40 hp 2
stroke is half as loud, I'd still hate it, because I'll be sitting right
next to it. At least on the Party Hut you could get some distance from
the motor.
I think the 115 hp is the maximum for his boat.
My boat is now at the dealer. They are going to put the motor on
tomorrow. I'm going to take it for a little run after work. If the price
is right, maybe I'll take the 2 stroke and use it for a year or two. I
believe it is sort of a waste of money, but then again I'm cheap.

Tony Thomas wrote:

Actually it will perform better than the 4 stroke since it is lighter and
has better acceleration. As said before, I don't believe you will be happy
w/ a 40. You never want to run the engine at wide open for long periods of
time. Poor fuel economy and very hard on the engine.