wrote in message
ups.com...
And you have been innocent in this? Seems to me you have been one of
the
more prolific OT posters and crossposters here

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I don't deliberately cross post. Our porfane net cop is taking care of
the cross posting in his/her effort to secrew up the group. The only
place I noramlly post is here. The only group in which I normally
respond is here. Click on the "Reply" line in a Google newsgroup, you
don't know where the post may go beyond the group you're reading.

I have posted OT, but no more than many of the regulars, yourself
included.

Am I "innocent" in areas of profanity, cross posting, using anonymous
remailers, spoofing the ID of others, initiating threads simply as a
vehicle to make personal attacks, posting obscene cartoons or photos
purported to be of other NG participants? Of deliberately disrupting
things and demanding that everybody else conform to my personal view of
what the NG should be?
Far, far more innocent than some- and certainly as innocent as most.


You are certainly not innocent of inflaming, posting OT and cross posting.

I saw your post as a bit hypocritical considering the cross posting you have
contributed to in at least OT threads ('Aiming Pee' and 'the most important
question in life') and the amount of OT posting you are currently involved
in, mostly political in nature.

I never said I was innocent. But I did not post a complaint about OT
posting.

Fair enough. Let's move forward and work towards improving things.

On 25 May 2005 11:25:27 -0700, wrote:

And you have been innocent in this? Seems to me you have been one of
the
more prolific OT posters and crossposters here

***********
I don't deliberately cross post. Our porfane net cop is taking care of
the cross posting in his/her effort to secrew up the group. The only
place I noramlly post is here. The only group in which I normally
respond is here. Click on the "Reply" line in a Google newsgroup, you
don't know where the post may go beyond the group you're reading.

I have posted OT, but no more than many of the regulars, yourself
included.

Am I "innocent" in areas of profanity, cross posting, using anonymous
remailers, spoofing the ID of others, initiating threads simply as a
vehicle to make personal attacks, posting obscene cartoons or photos
purported to be of other NG participants? Of deliberately disrupting
things and demanding that everybody else conform to my personal view of
what the NG should be?
Far, far more innocent than some- and certainly as innocent as most.

Chuck, if you'd get Agent, it would show whether a post was crossposted and to
how many groups. Then you get the choice of crossposting again or keeping it in
the current group.

--
John H
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!)

On 25 May 2005 09:33:37 -0700, wrote:

.........really gone to hell lately.

Looks like the profane cross posting has definitely "changed the tone
of the group".

How swell.

This morning there are more OT posts than ever, with a bunch of folks
from a dozen different NG's all dumping crap in rec.boats to get even
for the profane cross posts directed into their groups.

There's even some discussion between a bunch of gamers pledging to
start a war that will "destroy the NG" and threatening everybody with
"invisible swords"? Keerist.

Instead of the usual on-and off-topic discussions (and the
ever present HK Fan Club), we now have anonymous netkops posting
obscene remarks, racist/fascist cartoons falsely posted under the name
of an individual too "liberal" for the perpetrator's taste, and a new
group that feels the "anonyous remailing" services allow them to behave
like the irresponsible, pimply, 13-year old delinquents they mentally
are.

You guys happy with the results of your campaign?

Next time you set out to change the world, make sure you've got a
better plan.

Good morning, Chuck!

The east coast weather didn't cooperate today, so we couldn't go watch the Blue
Angels do their thing at Annapolis. That would have been a nice run, and
sometimes the bottom fishing is pretty good at the mouth of the Severn.

So, I've been trying again to get Harry to stop his name-calling. Not much
success, I fear. Kevin woke up and jumped into the fray. He was extremely
offended by my calling Harry some gross names for comments he made (for which
I've apologized) and for using the terms 'horse****' and 'bull****'.

And you jumped right in the middle!

If you'll disregard the profane net cops, and especially stop crossposting with
responses to them, they might go away. Your comments about the HK fan club will
further feed Harry's ego, causing even more of his caustic, name-calling posts,
thus adding even more to the general chaos.

Good job, Chuck! Welcome aboard!

--
John H
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!)

"John H" wrote in message
...
On 25 May 2005 09:33:37 -0700, wrote:

.........really gone to hell lately.

Looks like the profane cross posting has definitely "changed the tone
of the group".

How swell.

This morning there are more OT posts than ever, with a bunch of folks
from a dozen different NG's all dumping crap in rec.boats to get even
for the profane cross posts directed into their groups.

There's even some discussion between a bunch of gamers pledging to
start a war that will "destroy the NG" and threatening everybody with
"invisible swords"? Keerist.

Instead of the usual on-and off-topic discussions (and the
ever present HK Fan Club), we now have anonymous netkops posting
obscene remarks, racist/fascist cartoons falsely posted under the name
of an individual too "liberal" for the perpetrator's taste, and a new
group that feels the "anonyous remailing" services allow them to behave
like the irresponsible, pimply, 13-year old delinquents they mentally
are.

You guys happy with the results of your campaign?

Next time you set out to change the world, make sure you've got a
better plan.

Good morning, Chuck!

The east coast weather didn't cooperate today, so we couldn't go watch the
Blue
Angels do their thing at Annapolis. That would have been a nice run, and
sometimes the bottom fishing is pretty good at the mouth of the Severn.

So, I've been trying again to get Harry to stop his name-calling. Not much
success, I fear. Kevin woke up and jumped into the fray. He was extremely
offended by my calling Harry some gross names for comments he made (for
which
I've apologized) and for using the terms 'horse****' and 'bull****'.

And you jumped right in the middle!

If you'll disregard the profane net cops, and especially stop crossposting
with
responses to them, they might go away. Your comments about the HK fan club
will
further feed Harry's ego, causing even more of his caustic, name-calling
posts,
thus adding even more to the general chaos.

Good job, Chuck! Welcome aboard!

--
John H
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!)

Chucks post was a perfect example of his typical "Who Me?" attitude.

THIS IS A REC BOATS FORUM TALK ABOUT BOATS DUMB ASS!

Can you follow a thread, John?

I responded to SallyRd, and deliberately avoided the peeing contest
that included 46 posts from:

atl-m
Snapper Trapper
*JimH*
John H
Harry Krause
Jack Goff
bb
Freddy the Troll
Alfredo
Flaky Foo
Ferdinand
Tony
NOYB
Netsock
FOA

That's not "jumping into the middle", it's walking around the edge to
the other side of the pile.

One thing that would help, in general,would be if those who
have appointed themselves the arbiters of the NG would observe the same
standards they demand from others.

On 25 May 2005 11:34:46 -0700, wrote:

Can you follow a thread, John?

I responded to SallyRd, and deliberately avoided the peeing contest
that included 46 posts from:

atl-m
Snapper Trapper
*JimH*
John H
Harry Krause
Jack Goff
bb
Freddy the Troll
Alfredo
Flaky Foo
Ferdinand
Tony
NOYB
Netsock
FOA

That's not "jumping into the middle", it's walking around the edge to
the other side of the pile.

One thing that would help, in general,would be if those who
have appointed themselves the arbiters of the NG would observe the same
standards they demand from others.

I gave up. No one seemed interested. Now you can carry the torch a while. If you
decide to try, I'll support you. Get Harry convinced, and basskisser.

--
John H
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!)

I gave up. No one seemed interested. Now you can carry the torch a
while. If you
decide to try, I'll support you. Get Harry convinced, and basskisser.

*********

There's no reason to carry any sort of torch. At all.
Every person here has the capacity to constructively influence the
group. It's simple:
We simply need to:

1) Take conscious control of and responsibilty for the tone and content
of our *own* posts. Nobody else can force us to behave badly, it's a
choice we make and need to be responsible for.

2) Avoid reading posts from people we find inflammatory. If we can't
read a from Person XXX without getting so upset that we react
shamefully, why read posts from Person XXX at all?
Sometimes, Person XXX only posts because he or she is hoping for a
ridiculous, emotional reaction from almost anybody. Responding with
insults and getting into a peeing contest with
such a person is like trying to douse a fire with gasoline. Wrong
tactic.

There is no way that any type of bad and/or destructive behavior by
anybody will turn this group around. If several people contest to see
who can be the biggest butthole, even if the stated purpose is to
"discourage others from behaving like a butthole," we wind up with a
group of contentious buttholes.

AFAIAC, the rest of the group can post whatever it wants. While I might
comment about certain practices, that stops well short of insisting
that everyone else should behave according to my preferences.(or taking
crazy steps when the group does not confrom to my wishes) Most of
these people are adults. More of the group could behave on an adult
level if it simply decided to do so.

Maybe you should consider picking the torch back up, but instead of
struggling to be torch-bearer for the entire community use it to light
your own way? :-)

You don't like Harry and basskisser? Don't read their stuff. It will
make a huge difference. The fact tha they exist on the same planet
shouldn't ruin your day.