Doug,

The answer is obvious, you ignore it. Now, let me ask you a question, when
you read Basskisser, NOYB, Harry, jps, Tuuk, Wally etc. it is very obvious
that they do not come here to discuss boats, they like to discuss politics.
Many people enjoy discussing and arguing about politics, so they are not
unusal. What is unusual is that the prefer to discuss politcs in rec.boats.
Why not go to one of the politcal discussion groups?

Now your point is just ignore the posts if you don't like them. Well I do,
and many other do the same thing. What is the harm from people calling each
other names? The problem is that most of the very knowledgeable boaters,
mechanics, suppliers and people who used to enjoy discussing boats have left
this group because they found it too irrating seeing adults behavning like
children. The people who want to discuss boats or have questions answered
find their questions or requests for boating discussions are overlooked by
the regulars, because they really don't want to discuss boats. At one time,
the regulars would enjoy discussing boats and would get into OT discussions
as a way to pass the time. That is not the case today. Today the majority
of the regulars come here to argue politics and call their opponets names.
The poor person who comes in this group often finds his legitmate questions
ignored by the regulars because they are too busy with their political mud
slinging. That is the problem with 80% of the posts being off topic.

Now, do I believe anything I said will change the topics and political
trolling that goes on here? No way, I don't believe it will change, but you
are a smart person and you should understand why some people who come to
this newsgroup are offended by the 80% of off topic BS. It really would not
be so bad, if people actually made politcal statements that made sense, but
most of the posts are "you are stupid", the __________ are destroying the
world as we know it", you don't know anything, and I know it all. One of
the regulars who seems to be intellegent thinks if he uses profanity by
changing the spelling (ie dumfock) it makes it more politically correct. It
doesn't, all it does is make him look silly.

The person who started this thread, thought his comments would make a
difference. That showed that he is a newbie to rec.boats, but it was not an
unreasonable request.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I'm sure the proportions will change as the boats go back in the water.
But,
my question is still a valid one which some people can't answer. What do
you
do when you see a boating question that's of no interest to you
whatsoever?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Ks42c.122743$4o.163236@attbi_s52...
Doug,

I know my post will not make a difference, but what has happened is that
most of the contributors who liked the forum as a group to discussion
boats,
have long left this group. The regulars now come here to discuss
politics
and ignore most posts concerning boats. As I said, I know the group
wont'
change, but Joe's posts is a fair request. At one time, this group was
90%
on topic and 10% off topic, it is now about 80% OFF TOPIC and 20% on
topic.
Since the group is not moderated, it will go whatever way the regulars
want
it to go, but I am sure we will see less and less boating topics as this
group is taking over by those who think it is a political forum. It
appears
that the regulars want this to be a political forum.





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you see a topic regarding bilge pumps, but you have no interest in
that
at the moment, what do you do?

"Joe. R" wrote in message
link.net...
Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to see a
once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get
polluted
by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating
topics.

jr

Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.


"John Smith" wrote in message
news:h%62c.186479$uV3.783757@attbi_s51...
Doug,

The answer is obvious, you ignore it. Now, let me ask you a question,
when
you read Basskisser, NOYB, Harry, jps, Tuuk, Wally etc. it is very obvious
that they do not come here to discuss boats, they like to discuss
politics.
Many people enjoy discussing and arguing about politics, so they are not
unusal. What is unusual is that the prefer to discuss politcs in
rec.boats.
Why not go to one of the politcal discussion groups?

Now your point is just ignore the posts if you don't like them. Well I
do,
and many other do the same thing. What is the harm from people calling
each
other names? The problem is that most of the very knowledgeable boaters,
mechanics, suppliers and people who used to enjoy discussing boats have
left
this group because they found it too irrating seeing adults behavning like
children. The people who want to discuss boats or have questions answered
find their questions or requests for boating discussions are overlooked by
the regulars, because they really don't want to discuss boats. At one
time,
the regulars would enjoy discussing boats and would get into OT
discussions
as a way to pass the time. That is not the case today. Today the
majority
of the regulars come here to argue politics and call their opponets names.
The poor person who comes in this group often finds his legitmate
questions
ignored by the regulars because they are too busy with their political mud
slinging. That is the problem with 80% of the posts being off topic.

Now, do I believe anything I said will change the topics and political
trolling that goes on here? No way, I don't believe it will change, but
you
are a smart person and you should understand why some people who come to
this newsgroup are offended by the 80% of off topic BS. It really would
not
be so bad, if people actually made politcal statements that made sense,
but
most of the posts are "you are stupid", the __________ are destroying the
world as we know it", you don't know anything, and I know it all. One of
the regulars who seems to be intellegent thinks if he uses profanity by
changing the spelling (ie dumfock) it makes it more politically correct.
It
doesn't, all it does is make him look silly.

The person who started this thread, thought his comments would make a
difference. That showed that he is a newbie to rec.boats, but it was not
an
unreasonable request.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I'm sure the proportions will change as the boats go back in the water.
But,
my question is still a valid one which some people can't answer. What do
you
do when you see a boating question that's of no interest to you
whatsoever?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Ks42c.122743$4o.163236@attbi_s52...
Doug,

I know my post will not make a difference, but what has happened is
that
most of the contributors who liked the forum as a group to discussion
boats,
have long left this group. The regulars now come here to discuss
politics
and ignore most posts concerning boats. As I said, I know the group
wont'
change, but Joe's posts is a fair request. At one time, this group
was
90%
on topic and 10% off topic, it is now about 80% OFF TOPIC and 20% on
topic.
Since the group is not moderated, it will go whatever way the regulars
want
it to go, but I am sure we will see less and less boating topics as
this
group is taking over by those who think it is a political forum. It
appears
that the regulars want this to be a political forum.





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you see a topic regarding bilge pumps, but you have no interest
in
that
at the moment, what do you do?

"Joe. R" wrote in message
link.net...
Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to see
a
once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get
polluted
by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating
topics.

jr

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:07:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.

That may be, but I'd sure as hell not let you borrow my mower!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:07:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's
actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.

That may be, but I'd sure as hell not let you borrow my mower!

Who cares? You're probably the type who buys a $200 mower every two years at
the BORG, instead of ponying up like a big boy and buying a real one. :-)

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 01:22:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:07:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's
actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.

That may be, but I'd sure as hell not let you borrow my mower!

Who cares? You're probably the type who buys a $200 mower every two years at
the BORG, instead of ponying up like a big boy and buying a real one. :-)

For sure I don't pay more than $200 for one. My last one lasted almost
nine years, 'til I hit a metal spike and bent the crankshaft. That
mower never had an oil change nor a quart of oil added. Briggs and
Stratton engines are bullet proof. I wish I had one in my boat.

My next door neighbor must have about $600 invested in his POS Honda.
Every spring he has to take it in to get it tuned and started. It is
much prettier than mine though. I'd buy a Honda if I could put a B & S
engine on it. They're pretty.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 01:22:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:07:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative
and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's
actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more
civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live
next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds
and
coyote droppings.

That may be, but I'd sure as hell not let you borrow my mower!

Who cares? You're probably the type who buys a $200 mower every two years
at
the BORG, instead of ponying up like a big boy and buying a real one. :-)

For sure I don't pay more than $200 for one. My last one lasted almost
nine years, 'til I hit a metal spike and bent the crankshaft. That
mower never had an oil change nor a quart of oil added. Briggs and
Stratton engines are bullet proof. I wish I had one in my boat.

My next door neighbor must have about $600 invested in his POS Honda.
Every spring he has to take it in to get it tuned and started. It is
much prettier than mine though. I'd buy a Honda if I could put a B & S
engine on it. They're pretty.

I've got a Toro Super Recycler with a B&S IC Quite 6HP four stroke and it is
an amazing mowing machine. I've had it for 5 years now and plan on having it
for another 10 or 15, it starts up with one or two pulls every time. I
change the spark plug and air filter each spring.

Bert

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 01:22:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:07:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's
actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.

That may be, but I'd sure as hell not let you borrow my mower!

Who cares? You're probably the type who buys a $200 mower every two years at
the BORG, instead of ponying up like a big boy and buying a real one. :-)


PS. That last post was boating related, in case you didn't notice.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Personally, I think the O.T.s have very little to say, that has any value.

On 07 Mar 2004 13:13:01 GMT, (Florida Keyz) wrote:

Personally, I think the O.T.s have very little to say, that has any value.

Well, fk, you obviously did read this post:

Revealed: how 'war hero' Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty
By Charles Laurence in New York
(Filed: 07/03/2004)


Senator John Kerry, the presumed Democratic presidential candidate who
is
trading on his Vietnam war record to campaign against President George
W
Bush, tried to defer his military service for a year, according to a
newly
rediscovered article in a Harvard University newspaper.

He wrote to his local recruitment board seeking permission to spend a
further 12 months studying in Paris, after completing his degree
course at
Yale University in the mid-1960s.

The revelation appears to undercut Sen Kerry's carefully-cultivated
image as
a man who willingly served his country in a dangerous war - in
supposed
contrast to President Bush, who served in the Texas National Guard and
thus
avoided being sent to Vietnam.

The Harvard Crimson newspaper followed a youthful Mr Kerry in Boston
as he
campaigned for Congress for the first time in 1970. In the course of a
lengthy article, "John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for Congress",
published on
February 18, the paper reported: "When he approached his draft board
for
permission to study for a year in Paris, the draft board refused and
Kerry
decided to enlist in the Navy."

Samuel Goldhaber, the article's author who is now a cardiologist
attached to
the Harvard School of Medicine, spent 11 hours trailing Mr Kerry and
still
remembers that the subject of the Paris deferment came up during long
conversations about Vietnam.

"I stand by my story," he told The Telegraph. "It was a long time ago,
and I
was 19 at the time, so it is hard to remember every detail. But I do
know
this: at no point did Kerry contact either me or the Crimson to
dispute
anything I had written."

Sen Kerry's campaign headquarters in Washington refused an opportunity
to
deny the report. Despite repeated telephone calls from The Telegraph,
a
spokesman refused to comment. Another Democrat official said merely:
"In
Vietnam, John Kerry proved his patriotism beyond question. Everyone
knows
that."

A senior Republican strategist, who asked not to be named, said: "I've
not
heard this before. This undercuts Kerry's complaints about Bush and it
continues to pose questions as to his credibility among ordinary
Vietnam
veterans."

He said it would fuel concerns over the way Sen Kerry made a name for
himself by leading anti-war protests in Washington and Boston in the
late
1960s and early 1970s after he had completed his service in the US
Navy,
even while his former comrades continued to fight and die.

A newly-published biography of Sen Kerry by Douglas Brinkley, A Tour
of
Duty, makes no mention of the requested deferment or planned year in
Paris.
At the time, it was still unclear just how long America would remain
in
Vietnam, and it might have seemed that a year's deferral of service
could
render enlistment unnecessary.

According to the Democratic Party's version of Sen Kerry's military
history,
he joined the Reserve Officer Training Corps at Harvard through
eagerness to
do his duty, and sailed with the Navy for combat as soon as he
graduated in
1966.

Sen Kerry won a gallantry medal for his service as a gunboat captain
on the
Mekong Delta, and was honorably discharged with three "purple heart"
medals
after sustaining three wounds. He has consistently presented himself
as a
leader who argued against the war only after fulfilling his duty in
the
field. Supporters argue that his war record makes him a more
trustworthy
leader than President Bush, who served sporadically in the National
Guard at
home.

"This means that Kerry didn't jump into all that heroic service until
he was
pushed, and it is a very nice piece of information," said Lucianne
Goldberg,
a prominent Republican campaigner.

Republican strategists for President Bush were already investigating
Sen
Kerry's record of three wounds sustained in Vietnam. "We find that he
had
only one day off sick - with three wounds? What exactly were these
wounds?"
she asked.

Mr Goldhaber recalled that, during a day spent with Sen Kerry and one
assistant during his congressional campaign, he had described his
involvement, service and decision to oppose the war in great detail.

"I am not at all surprised that he wants to be president, because he
exuded
ambition from the word go," said Dr Goldhaber. "At the time, the idea
that
he tried to persuade the draft board to let him spend a year in Paris
was
just a detail."

A spokesman for the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign declined to
comment.


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

your a phoney coward hiding behing a fake email name, aren't ya?