I was looking around at some of the engine maker websites and stumbled
across the new Mercury Verado supercharged, 4-stroke, big outboards with
their sequential, multi-port fuel injection and miles of other complexities
to ensure you have zero chance of getting the damned thing running if it
quits on the river, 35 miles from home.

One of the REQUIREMENTS of this ultra-sophisticated piece of American
ingenuity is its NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40 motor oil. Of COURSE we
couldn't just have a super-sophisticated new outboard motor that ran on
just any old 4-stroke oil, like SAE SJ from Autozone. Oh, NO! We have to
invent a whole new line of ultra-profitable, very limited availability
motor oils you can only get at....guess where.....Your MERCURY dealer!
Federal law provides that if they specify a BRAND of motor oil, they have
to GIVE it to you for the life of the engine..... So, through the
loophole, we invent a new motor oil of stupid miltiple viscosity and
threaten to void your warranty, I'm sure, if you use SJ 15W-40 from
Autozone.

Don't suppose I'll be buying a Verado outboard.....or a Ficht....or an
OptiMax....any time soon. Stupid manufacturers still haven't learned their
lessons......

Search Google for "NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40" and look at all 4 hits it
gets on the whole internet.....all Mercury, of course.

Wanna bet it's NOT $6/gallon? The damned thing holds EIGHT quarts of it!

My Suzuki recommends good ol' 10W-40. I just changed my oil and replaced it
with Semi-synthetic.





"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
I was looking around at some of the engine maker websites and stumbled
across the new Mercury Verado supercharged, 4-stroke, big outboards with
their sequential, multi-port fuel injection and miles of other
complexities
to ensure you have zero chance of getting the damned thing running if it
quits on the river, 35 miles from home.

One of the REQUIREMENTS of this ultra-sophisticated piece of American
ingenuity is its NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40 motor oil. Of COURSE we
couldn't just have a super-sophisticated new outboard motor that ran on
just any old 4-stroke oil, like SAE SJ from Autozone. Oh, NO! We have to
invent a whole new line of ultra-profitable, very limited availability
motor oils you can only get at....guess where.....Your MERCURY dealer!
Federal law provides that if they specify a BRAND of motor oil, they have
to GIVE it to you for the life of the engine..... So, through the
loophole, we invent a new motor oil of stupid miltiple viscosity and
threaten to void your warranty, I'm sure, if you use SJ 15W-40 from
Autozone.

Don't suppose I'll be buying a Verado outboard.....or a Ficht....or an
OptiMax....any time soon. Stupid manufacturers still haven't learned
their
lessons......

Search Google for "NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40" and look at all 4 hits
it
gets on the whole internet.....all Mercury, of course.

Wanna bet it's NOT $6/gallon? The damned thing holds EIGHT quarts of it!

Harry Krause wrote:
Larry W4CSC wrote:

I was looking around at some of the engine maker websites and stumbled
across the new Mercury Verado supercharged, 4-stroke, big outboards
with their sequential, multi-port fuel injection and miles of other
complexities to ensure you have zero chance of getting the damned
thing running if it quits on the river, 35 miles from home.

One of the REQUIREMENTS of this ultra-sophisticated piece of American
ingenuity is its NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40 motor oil. Of COURSE
we couldn't just have a super-sophisticated new outboard motor that
ran on just any old 4-stroke oil, like SAE SJ from Autozone. Oh, NO!
We have to invent a whole new line of ultra-profitable, very limited
availability motor oils you can only get at....guess where.....Your
MERCURY dealer! Federal law provides that if they specify a BRAND of
motor oil, they have to GIVE it to you for the life of the
engine..... So, through the loophole, we invent a new motor oil of
stupid miltiple viscosity and threaten to void your warranty, I'm
sure, if you use SJ 15W-40 from Autozone.

Don't suppose I'll be buying a Verado outboard.....or a Ficht....or an
OptiMax....any time soon. Stupid manufacturers still haven't learned
their lessons......

Search Google for "NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40" and look at all 4
hits it gets on the whole internet.....all Mercury, of course.

Wanna bet it's NOT $6/gallon? The damned thing holds EIGHT quarts of it!


The price of oil is not relevant to the owner of a new, $15,000 four
stroke outboard motor. I won't argue the point that all modern high
horsepower outboards are too complex.

Oh, I found 50 hits for that weight of oil, and the Merc branded oil at
$3.25 a quart:

https://www.dougrussell.com/Products...y=7&Bran d=87


So is this just a standard Krause lie against Larry??? yet another
Krause doesn't like because Larry called him for the liar he is:-) or
maybe it falls in the obvious deception class of his spammer mate
Gould??? or I wonder if Krause is just such an uneducated simpleton he
can't even read & understand the point Larry was making??? Hmmmmm......
beg your pardon sorry I didn't hear you.........OH OK OK I agree with
you, it's all 3!!:-)

Let's see he claims 50 hits in google for that "weight" of oil:-) but
of course he left out the NMMA certification which was exactly Larry's
good & valid point. That it's a dealer scam & ripoff.

Then of course he pretends "he" can find dealer oil cheap when the last
bloke who tried finding anything at a marine dealer "cheap" recently
died still trying, no doubt Gould watched his funeral on the telly last
night:-) (true; that's what they spend most of their time praying
for:-)) As Larry says

Wanna bet it's NOT $6/gallon?

or I suppose the lying union organiser idiot thug Krause wouldn't know
the difference between a quart & a gallon anyway:-)

Ah I love the way socialist liars flare up & go poof in a cloud of
acrid smoke when you turn the gas up:-) Too much fun it really is:-) but
hey thanks!!!


K

Been busy today so I'll keep the Krause lie of the day short.

This lying simpleton, after it became clear he was losing a thread
where he was displaying his usual lack of patriotism much less gratitude
for the brave men & women out there risking their everything, to keep
the likes of him safe, he just reverts to type.

But seriously can you imagine this uneducated union thug now claims
he is reviewing universities!!! & wait for it he poo poos the
engineering course!!! this from a lying uneducated union thug who
couldn't use a toaster without a union authorised electrician in attendance.

I've included just one of the followup responses but it was such a
bald faced lie it even embarrassed the rejoinders:-)


I have visited West Point, the Naval Academy, the Air Force Academy and
the sub training facility at Groton. Some years ago, I actually did look
over descriptions of some of the course material at Annapolis and the
c.v.'s of some of the faculty. I'm sure the engineering course material
is fairly rigorous, though it is more "trade-oriented" and did not look
up to MIT or CalTech standards. I mean, if your goal is to be an
aeronautical engineer, you're going to get better training at MIT or
CalTech or at any of a large number of other engineering schools. I
thought the faculty academic credentials no better than what is found at
a typical smaller four year public university. The military academies
turn out military officers with an education, not highly educated
military officers. But that is their purpose, eh?



--


Holy molly, grandma, put on your high boots.


Harry Krause, admitted graduate in the humanities with a degree in
English
is hereby qualified to critique the engineering curriculum of not
only West
Point, but also that of the Naval Academy and the Air Force Academy and
compare it to that of MIT and CalTech.


The above paragraph is a classic.


You missed your calling Harry.

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message

One of the REQUIREMENTS of this ultra-sophisticated piece of American
ingenuity is its NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40 motor oil.


"NOYB" wrote in message
...
My Suzuki recommends good ol' 10W-40. I just changed my oil and replaced
it with Semi-synthetic.




Go to a library or find a a back issue of the March 2004 Trailer Boats
Magazine. They reported on and lab tested both specialty 4-stroke outboard
oils against ordinary car oils, including Mobil 1. The results were
suprising..

Bill Grannis
service manager

"Billgran" wrote in message
. ..



"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message

One of the REQUIREMENTS of this ultra-sophisticated piece of American
ingenuity is its NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40 motor oil.


"NOYB" wrote in message
...
My Suzuki recommends good ol' 10W-40. I just changed my oil and replaced
it with Semi-synthetic.




Go to a library or find a a back issue of the March 2004 Trailer Boats
Magazine. They reported on and lab tested both specialty 4-stroke
outboard oils against ordinary car oils, including Mobil 1. The results
were suprising..


Can you provide a brief summary of their conclusions?

"Billgran" wrote in message
. ..



"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message

One of the REQUIREMENTS of this ultra-sophisticated piece of American
ingenuity is its NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40 motor oil.


"NOYB" wrote in message
...
My Suzuki recommends good ol' 10W-40. I just changed my oil and replaced
it with Semi-synthetic.




Go to a library or find a a back issue of the March 2004 Trailer Boats
Magazine. They reported on and lab tested both specialty 4-stroke
outboard oils against ordinary car oils, including Mobil 1. The results
were suprising..

Bill Grannis
service manager

Bill,
You post as "seahorse" on bass fishing website, right?

"Billgran" wrote in
:

Go to a library or find a a back issue of the March 2004 Trailer Boats
Magazine. They reported on and lab tested both specialty 4-stroke
outboard oils against ordinary car oils, including Mobil 1. The
results were suprising..

Bill Grannis
service manager


Other than paying off some NMMA bureaucrat for "certification", what's so
special about this wonderful lube oil, Bill?

This scam reminds me of the TC-W3 scams....

Larry,
Is it possible an additive or a synthetic oil could improve the lubrication
properties of oil?

I know there are many products that are "snake oil" (and I am guilty of
buying my fair share) but I would think some would be able to give your
basic oil improved properties.

Speaking of "snake oil" how many people fell for the Teflon additives, such
as Slick 50. My complaint was not that it was useless, but that it actually
caused accelerated wear on engines. I guess my biggest complaint is I
actually fell for it.



"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
"Billgran" wrote in
:

Go to a library or find a a back issue of the March 2004 Trailer Boats
Magazine. They reported on and lab tested both specialty 4-stroke
outboard oils against ordinary car oils, including Mobil 1. The
results were suprising..

Bill Grannis
service manager


Other than paying off some NMMA bureaucrat for "certification", what's so
special about this wonderful lube oil, Bill?

This scam reminds me of the TC-W3 scams....

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
"Billgran" wrote in
:

Go to a library or find a a back issue of the March 2004 Trailer Boats
Magazine. They reported on and lab tested both specialty 4-stroke
outboard oils against ordinary car oils, including Mobil 1. The
results were suprising..

Bill Grannis
service manager


Other than paying off some NMMA bureaucrat for "certification", what's so
special about this wonderful lube oil, Bill?

This scam reminds me of the TC-W3 scams....

What scam?

On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 09:05:35 -0400, "Me Again" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Is it possible an additive or a synthetic oil could improve the lubrication
properties of oil?

I didn't believe it, but it does.

I used TCW-3 spec Pennzoil on my Ranger (which, according to the
warranty specs is all that is required) and the plugs carboned up like
you wouldn't believe. The first year I owned it, I had a decrease in
performance due to carboned plugs. When I pulled them just to check,
I was blowen away by the sheer amount of carbon.

I switched to FICHT oil and problem solved.

So the evidence is yes, there are additives in FICHT oil and I assume
other manufacturer's oil, that are specific to their machine's
requirements.

Later,

Tom