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"Scott Weiser" wrote in message ... A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote: in article , Scott Weiser at wrote on 3/22/05 12:06 AM: A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote: in article , Scott Weiser at wrote on 3/21/05 8:19 PM: A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote: "Scott Weiser" wrote in message ... A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote: Tink: ================ Hey frtzw, sounds like we got another dance going on, and someone got your hot button. I'll probably set this one out, but I like to watch. ==================== Tink, it's not a hot button at all. It is simply disingenuous of Scott to pop off with some one-off example and thereby try to discredit an entire system. It's hardly "one-off." It's pervasive and ubiquitous in every socialized medicine system in existence because by its nature, socialized medicine cannot provide effective on-demand health care to everyone. Why do you have socialized education? Because there's a lot of socialist swine down here too. We have to fight them all the time. Ah. So you would favour the total elimination of public education? No, just public education financed by the forcible extraction of money from people who don't have children in school. My model requires the actual parents of children to pay for their children's education. If you can't pay, don't have children or your kids might get to flip burgers, dig ditches and harvest onions for a living. Dirty work, but somebody's got to do it, and at least those kids will be citizens, as opposed to illegal aliens. Ah. So you start holding a child accountable for their own future starting with infancy. No, I hold the parents accountable. But the child suffers. Born to parents who could not afford to send you to school? Tough titties for you, this ain't the land of opportunity. You confuse equality of opportunity with equality of outcome. No, I don't, actually. There is no equality of opportunity for a child born into a poor family who cannot access education or health care. My, what a beautiful world you would build. There's no better way to stimulate parents to be successful than to make them realize that the future success of their children depends on their willingness to work hard and provide for them. We've seen for many years now the result of granting the poor and uneducated "entitlements" that does nothing but bind them and their children ever deeper into economic and social poverty and degradation. The one million illegal immigrants who come to this country each month know this full well, which is why they come here and go to work in those jobs that "Americans won't take," so that their children will have the opportunity to prosper. What's successful for the poor is denying them the public dole that binds them to the public teat while forcing them to advance themselves in the workforce. It builds self-esteem, character and gives them skills that will serve them well in their lives. America is indeed the "Land of Opportunity," but the opportunities are not all positive opportunities. You have an equal opportunity to FAIL as well as succeed. That's what causes people to strive to excel and advance. As Linda Seebach said once, "The only way to make everyone equal is to squash everyone flat." You can't have an equal opportunity to anything if you are hungry, uneducated, and without access to health care. "Pay-to-play" seems to be the new paradigm for everything from trash collection to access to federal lands, why not education too? It's just that usual nonsense about trying to give all kids a reasonable opportunity to access what the world has to offer. Public education is, by and large, a dismal failure, particularly in poor communities where an education, free or otherwise, is not viewed as necessary to one's future...mostly because welfare dwellers see the future of their children as being merely a repeat of their parent's failures. There is no stimulus to succeed, and generational failure is inevitable. Only when one has to work to succeed is one likely to value the education one gets and wish it for one's children. Parents are not stimulated to encourage, assist, stimulate, enlighten, browbeat, badger, threaten and otherwise require scholarship on the part of their children if they see no future for them because the dole is all they know. Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach him to fish, and he can feed the world. How ironic, to use the "teach him to fish" analogy while saying that poor people should not have access to education. Can someone draw me an irony meter please! Then again, there's nothing to prevent the altruists and charitable contributors from voluntarily funding public school programs. Heck, even businesses have gotten into the act, recognizing that it's good policy for them to support education for the next generation of workers they will need to stay in business. And they understand that vocational training may be far more valuable in the majority of cases than a college degree in a non-technical field. A "liberal arts" degree is about as useless as an appendix. The worst thing about a liberal arts degree is that some of the graduates might be capable of thinking. True, but sadly, almost universally, they fail to realize that potential, largely thanks to the pervasive leftist/liberal apologetics of failure and muddled thinking taught to them on most of our college campuses. Rare indeed is the student who is able to rise above the leftist propaganda and demagogary to reach a state of enlightenment and understanding, and every one who does is universally a conservative thinker. In your fantasy world. Is George W. Bush one of your elightened right-wing graduates? LOL. |
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