Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:49:24 -0600, Del Cecchi
wrote:


Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:08:48 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:



On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:18:09 -0800, Lloyd Sumpter
wrote:



Hi,

We're having a fish-in in April targeting the (illegally-stocked)
largemouth bass in the Vancouver area.

I've never fished for bass befo any hints? And do I need a 225hp
boat and do I need to dress like a NASCAR driver? ;)

No, you need a 300 hp boat and since you asked, no - you don't have
to dress like a NASCAR driver. Bra, crotchless panties, fishnet
stockings and black stiletto heels are the secret to catching large
mouth bass - the pros only wear the branded clothing when they are on
TV.

Just out of curiosity, what's the point of the fish-in?



OK, here's the Story: Bass are not native to BC. Somebody has illegally
dumped them into several lakes in the area. Now, bass compete with trout
and salmon, which ARE native, and we spend lots of tax dollars every year
enhancing the stocks with hatcheries.

So - we want to publicize this problem and try to reducs the bass stocks
and give the trout a better chance. And have some fun fishing while we're
at it!

And yes, bass fishermen are kind of a joke around here. I mean, do you
REALLY need that much HP to get around a lake thats only 1/2 a mile wide??
(The lakes we'll be targetting have no boat launch, and are restricted to
electric motors only)

Lloyd


Use Live Bait. The pros don't because it is not allowed by rules of
tournaments. Trolling is also effective.

Now, is there really evidence that the bass are adversely impacting the
trout? Or is this really just snobbery? Are Salmon native to those
lakes? You aren't stocking the non-native german brown trout? Here in
Minnesota, the only native trout are really char.... the lake trout and
the brook trout. Browns and Rainbows are imports.


Not to be argumentative, but the only true fresh water "trout" in the
US is the golden trout.

No joke - I read about this a couple of years ago. It exists no where
else in the world and some biologists have done comparison DNA studies
against other species of trout developing the theory that this is
actually the only trout that existed in North America prior to the
introduction of other trouts by what ever means they made it here.

If that convoluted sentence makes any sense at all. :)

I'm searching around in my libarary to find the article. I can't
remember which magazine it was in.

I'll find it.

You do that. But Brook Trout and Lake Trout were here when the
Europeans arrived. I don't know if the aboriginal people carried them
across the land bridge and stocked lake Agassiz. But of course they are
char and not true trout, which are taxonomically different.

del cecchi

"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:49:24 -0600, Del Cecchi
wrote:


Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:08:48 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:



On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:18:09 -0800, Lloyd Sumpter
wrote:



Hi,

We're having a fish-in in April targeting the (illegally-stocked)
largemouth bass in the Vancouver area.

I've never fished for bass befo any hints? And do I need a 225hp
boat and do I need to dress like a NASCAR driver? ;)

No, you need a 300 hp boat and since you asked, no - you don't have
to dress like a NASCAR driver. Bra, crotchless panties, fishnet
stockings and black stiletto heels are the secret to catching large
mouth bass - the pros only wear the branded clothing when they are on
TV.

Just out of curiosity, what's the point of the fish-in?



OK, here's the Story: Bass are not native to BC. Somebody has illegally
dumped them into several lakes in the area. Now, bass compete with
trout
and salmon, which ARE native, and we spend lots of tax dollars every
year
enhancing the stocks with hatcheries.

So - we want to publicize this problem and try to reducs the bass
stocks
and give the trout a better chance. And have some fun fishing while
we're
at it!

And yes, bass fishermen are kind of a joke around here. I mean, do you
REALLY need that much HP to get around a lake thats only 1/2 a mile
wide??
(The lakes we'll be targetting have no boat launch, and are restricted
to
electric motors only)

Lloyd


Use Live Bait. The pros don't because it is not allowed by rules of
tournaments. Trolling is also effective.

Now, is there really evidence that the bass are adversely impacting the
trout? Or is this really just snobbery? Are Salmon native to those
lakes? You aren't stocking the non-native german brown trout? Here in
Minnesota, the only native trout are really char.... the lake trout and
the brook trout. Browns and Rainbows are imports.


Not to be argumentative, but the only true fresh water "trout" in the
US is the golden trout.

No joke - I read about this a couple of years ago. It exists no where
else in the world and some biologists have done comparison DNA studies
against other species of trout developing the theory that this is
actually the only trout that existed in North America prior to the
introduction of other trouts by what ever means they made it here.

If that convoluted sentence makes any sense at all. :)

I'm searching around in my libarary to find the article. I can't
remember which magazine it was in.

I'll find it.

You do that. But Brook Trout and Lake Trout were here when the
Europeans arrived. I don't know if the aboriginal people carried them
across the land bridge and stocked lake Agassiz. But of course they are
char and not true trout, which are taxonomically different.

del cecchi

And the native Americans stocked rainbow trout and their ocean going version
the Steelhead trout. New Zealand got their trout from the steelhead in the
Russian River of California.

Ice fishing for bass
Make hole in ice
Sprinkle peas in hole
When bass comes up to take a pea
Smack him in the icehole
G

Calif Bill wrote:

I said it was above the swivel. Read for understanding. And DEEP in
the
south is not DEEP in the west. The big weight made a commotion in
the silt
and the worm stayed above the bottom.

The Carolina rig was developed to fish DEEP structure. It was NOT
developed to fish silty, muddy bottoms. It's hardly used for such. You
are wrong.

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Calif Bill wrote:

I said it was above the swivel. Read for understanding. And DEEP in
the
south is not DEEP in the west. The big weight made a commotion in
the silt
and the worm stayed above the bottom.

The Carolina rig was developed to fish DEEP structure. It was NOT
developed to fish silty, muddy bottoms. It's hardly used for such. You
are wrong.


Deep in the south may be 20'. They are old lakes and reservoirs. They have
lots of silt. The big weight stirs up the bottom and the worm gets to float
above the silt. You better do your research better. Otherwise a Texas
rigged with a bigger weight would do the job. BC and the west have deep
lakes. We normally fish 20' as shallow in most of the lakes. Is why the
drop shot came out of here.

Calif Bill wrote:
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Calif Bill wrote:

I said it was above the swivel. Read for understanding. And
DEEP in
the
south is not DEEP in the west. The big weight made a commotion
in
the silt
and the worm stayed above the bottom.

The Carolina rig was developed to fish DEEP structure. It was NOT
developed to fish silty, muddy bottoms. It's hardly used for such.
You
are wrong.


Deep in the south may be 20'. They are old lakes and reservoirs.
They have
lots of silt.

Nope, wrong. Many, many very clear lakes here, and fishing to the
depths of 80 or 90 feet. How much fishing have you done here, where the
Carolina rig was invented? Me? Many, many hours.
The big weight stirs up the bottom and the worm gets to float
above the silt. You better do your research better.

Nope, wrong again. The weight, being an egg sinker, allows the sinker
to do nothing but sit on the bottom, the bait can travel with the
current, somewhat. THAT is the reason the Carolina rig was invented, to
allow the bait to raise three to six or so feet above the bottom, then
slowly flutter back down.

Otherwise a Texas
rigged with a bigger weight would do the job.
Texas rig is used to fish the bottom. Completely different than a
Carolina rig.

BC and the west have deep
lakes. We normally fish 20' as shallow in most of the lakes. Is why
the
drop shot came out of here.

Drop shot keeps your bait in a certain, small area, Carolina rig does
not.

Anyway, using a Carolina rig has nothing to do with stirring up silt.
It's just another presentation, and in particular, it allows the bait
to raise up whatever length your leader is, then slowly flutter to the
bottom.

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Calif Bill wrote:
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Calif Bill wrote:

I said it was above the swivel. Read for understanding. And
DEEP in
the
south is not DEEP in the west. The big weight made a commotion
in
the silt
and the worm stayed above the bottom.

The Carolina rig was developed to fish DEEP structure. It was NOT
developed to fish silty, muddy bottoms. It's hardly used for such.
You
are wrong.


Deep in the south may be 20'. They are old lakes and reservoirs.
They have
lots of silt.

Nope, wrong. Many, many very clear lakes here, and fishing to the
depths of 80 or 90 feet. How much fishing have you done here, where the
Carolina rig was invented? Me? Many, many hours.
The big weight stirs up the bottom and the worm gets to float
above the silt. You better do your research better.

Nope, wrong again. The weight, being an egg sinker, allows the sinker
to do nothing but sit on the bottom, the bait can travel with the
current, somewhat. THAT is the reason the Carolina rig was invented, to
allow the bait to raise three to six or so feet above the bottom, then
slowly flutter back down.

Otherwise a Texas
rigged with a bigger weight would do the job.
Texas rig is used to fish the bottom. Completely different than a
Carolina rig.

BC and the west have deep
lakes. We normally fish 20' as shallow in most of the lakes. Is why
the
drop shot came out of here.

Drop shot keeps your bait in a certain, small area, Carolina rig does
not.

Anyway, using a Carolina rig has nothing to do with stirring up silt.
It's just another presentation, and in particular, it allows the bait
to raise up whatever length your leader is, then slowly flutter to the
bottom.


Not what the pros say. But you are entitled to your opinion. Drop shot is
so we can fish 60' deep.

Calif Bill wrote:
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Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:

I said it was above the swivel. Read for understanding. And
DEEP in
the
south is not DEEP in the west. The big weight made a
commotion
in
the silt
and the worm stayed above the bottom.

The Carolina rig was developed to fish DEEP structure. It was
NOT
developed to fish silty, muddy bottoms. It's hardly used for
such.
You
are wrong.


Deep in the south may be 20'. They are old lakes and reservoirs.
They have
lots of silt.

Nope, wrong. Many, many very clear lakes here, and fishing to the
depths of 80 or 90 feet. How much fishing have you done here, where
the
Carolina rig was invented? Me? Many, many hours.
The big weight stirs up the bottom and the worm gets to float
above the silt. You better do your research better.

Nope, wrong again. The weight, being an egg sinker, allows the
sinker
to do nothing but sit on the bottom, the bait can travel with the
current, somewhat. THAT is the reason the Carolina rig was
invented, to
allow the bait to raise three to six or so feet above the bottom,
then
slowly flutter back down.

Otherwise a Texas
rigged with a bigger weight would do the job.
Texas rig is used to fish the bottom. Completely different than a
Carolina rig.

BC and the west have deep
lakes. We normally fish 20' as shallow in most of the lakes. Is
why
the
drop shot came out of here.

Drop shot keeps your bait in a certain, small area, Carolina rig
does
not.

Anyway, using a Carolina rig has nothing to do with stirring up
silt.
It's just another presentation, and in particular, it allows the
bait
to raise up whatever length your leader is, then slowly flutter to
the
bottom.


Not what the pros say. But you are entitled to your opinion. Drop
shot is
so we can fish 60' deep.

Show me. Show me one article that says that a Carolina rig is used for
stirring silt up on muddy bottoms!!!!!!!!! I'll be waiting.......
In the meantime, would you like me to show you what the "pros" really
say about Carolina rig fishing?:

From Bigfishtackle.com:
Carolina rigs are normally associated with fishing a stump or rock
field, or long sloping points. The rig gives you the opportunity to
fish as fast or as slow as you want to drag it along.

From http://www.angelfire.com/mo3/fishing...nafishing.html
Texas rig in cover or where an open-hook worm (if that's what you were
fishing) would get hung. Carolina rig anywhere it can be fished;
normally clean hard (hopefully rough) bottom (Bill, notice the last
sentence.)

Then go here to read up on Carolina rig fishing:
http://www.bassresource.com/beginner...Texas_Rig.html

Next, from another pro:

Carolina rigging is the perfect tool for deep water where big fish lurk
in the spring during the pre- and post-spawn periods and in summer.
Using Carolina rigs and a sensitive 7-foot rod, Gluszek can cover lots
of water by making long casts and dragging the rig slowly back to the
boat. Or, he can let the wind drift him over deep points. (shallow and
muddy, huh, Bill?)

So, what else do you need to prove that you are wrong, Bill?