Calif Bill wrote:
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On 10 Mar 2005 13:31:55 -0800, wrote:


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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:04:32 -0800, Lloyd Sumpter
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:08:48 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:18:09 -0800, Lloyd Sumpter
wrote:

Hi,

We're having a fish-in in April targeting the
(illegally-stocked)
largemouth bass in the Vancouver area.

I've never fished for bass befo any hints? And do I
need a
225hp
boat and do I need to dress like a NASCAR driver? ;)

No, you need a 300 hp boat and since you asked, no - you
don't
have
to dress like a NASCAR driver. Bra, crotchless panties,
fishnet
stockings and black stiletto heels are the secret to
catching
large
mouth bass - the pros only wear the branded clothing when
they
are on
TV.

Just out of curiosity, what's the point of the fish-in?


OK, here's the Story: Bass are not native to BC. Somebody has
illegally
dumped them into several lakes in the area. Now, bass compete
with
trout
and salmon, which ARE native, and we spend lots of tax
dollars
every year
enhancing the stocks with hatcheries.

So - we want to publicize this problem and try to reducs the
bass
stocks
and give the trout a better chance. And have some fun fishing
while we're
at it!

And yes, bass fishermen are kind of a joke around here. I
mean, do
you
REALLY need that much HP to get around a lake thats only 1/2
a
mile
wide??
(The lakes we'll be targetting have no boat launch, and are
restricted to
electric motors only)

Ah - well, that is certainly a good reason. Not quite a
perfect
reason, but a good one.

Bass fishing that far north takes some minor skills, but you
really
need to put this fish-in when the water warms to around fifty
degrees
F or so - that's when they become very active.

The best way to fish is to use darker color plastic worms
(like
blueberry or grape), Senko lures (6"green shades) or spinner
baits
in
bright colors. Two best ways to rig the worms - Carolina or
Texas.
I
prefer Texas, but I occasionally have success with Carolina
rigs.

Last, use shiners, but that can be problematic as you will
probably
have to sit on a breeding bed to get that to work.

Have fun. Don't forget the fishnet stockings.

Oh, and to answer your HP question - no, you really don't need
that
kind of HP, but in the bass world, it's monkey see, monkey do.
It
used to be that 18 foot bass boats were the best because
that's
what
the pros used. Then it used to be that 20 foot bass boats
were the
best because that's what the pros used. Then....etc.

Believe this or not, ten years ago, the HP limit on the bass
trail
was
175. Then it went to 225 now it's 300.

It's all marketing. :)

Later,

Tom

It is because you can drive 100 mph in a bass boat legally. In
a
car, they
take the car and a lot of money for driving that fast. Simple.

What state is it that they "take the car" for speeding?

CT.

Later,

Tom


CA for over a 100.
Show me.

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

The ones illegally stocked with bass are all pretty shallow, less
than 10
meters deep at the most, with lots of shallows 1-2 meters (with lots
of
vegetation!).

I'd certainly start with a Texas rig, look for structure like down
fall, rocks, etc in the shallow water, cast beyond that, twitch the
worm along slowly, like raise the rod tip about a foot, then let the
worm fall to the bottom again, reel in slack, wait ten seconds or so,
repeat.

Water temp this time of year? Probably around 10 C, obviously warmer
in
the shallows and cooler down deep. It's too bad this "fish-in" is so
early
- these shallow lakes get over 20 C in the summer.

BTW: Several others have mentioned "Texas rig" and "Carolina rig" -
can
someone describe these, please? (I get the feeling they'd both be
illegal
he we're mainly single-barbless hooks in freshwater)

Lloyd

Lloyd, here's a couple of links, the first, lots of bass fishing info:
http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...Y_14_0_FISHING

And this one will give you specific examples of various rigs, Texas,
Carolina (a biggy here!), drop shot, etc. I think that seeing how you
aren't an experienced bass fisher, I'd stick to soft plastics. Get some
chartreuse colored six inch lizards, Zoom makes some good ones. Rig
them the same, Texas style, just like the worm pictured he
http://www.fish-hawk.net/tips/wormrig/wormrig.php

Calif Bill wrote:

CA for over a 100. They can take your car for propositioning a
hooker. The
politico's want money.

Not for speeding. You can, however, get your car taken away, if you are
found guilty of RECKLESS DRIVING involving speeds over 100mph. A simple
speeding ticket for 100mph will net in a huge fine, possible loss of
license for a period.

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:08:48 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:18:09 -0800, Lloyd Sumpter
wrote:


Hi,

We're having a fish-in in April targeting the (illegally-stocked)
largemouth bass in the Vancouver area.

I've never fished for bass befo any hints? And do I need a 225hp
boat and do I need to dress like a NASCAR driver? ;)

No, you need a 300 hp boat and since you asked, no - you don't have
to dress like a NASCAR driver. Bra, crotchless panties, fishnet
stockings and black stiletto heels are the secret to catching large
mouth bass - the pros only wear the branded clothing when they are on
TV.

Just out of curiosity, what's the point of the fish-in?



OK, here's the Story: Bass are not native to BC. Somebody has illegally
dumped them into several lakes in the area. Now, bass compete with trout
and salmon, which ARE native, and we spend lots of tax dollars every year
enhancing the stocks with hatcheries.

So - we want to publicize this problem and try to reducs the bass stocks
and give the trout a better chance. And have some fun fishing while we're
at it!

And yes, bass fishermen are kind of a joke around here. I mean, do you
REALLY need that much HP to get around a lake thats only 1/2 a mile wide??
(The lakes we'll be targetting have no boat launch, and are restricted to
electric motors only)

Lloyd

Use Live Bait. The pros don't because it is not allowed by rules of
tournaments. Trolling is also effective.

Now, is there really evidence that the bass are adversely impacting the
trout? Or is this really just snobbery? Are Salmon native to those
lakes? You aren't stocking the non-native german brown trout? Here in
Minnesota, the only native trout are really char.... the lake trout and
the brook trout. Browns and Rainbows are imports.

del cecchi

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:30:55 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:

Texas rigged is a weight right against the hook. The hook is buried in a
plastic worm, so the worm is straight and the hook comes out of the worm and
then is hooked back in to the skin of the worm, making it weedless. The
Carolina rig is same hook, but a geavy weight, then a swivel and then 15-20"
leader to the hook. Carolina rig is probably not great in BC, as it is for
muddy, silted in bottoms.
Bill


Ahhhh!

I used a "Carolina rig" when I was a kid, fishing for cutts (just didn't
call it that!). We also use a variation where the weight is on the end
of the line and the hook is 20-50cm up (called a "bar rig"). But I like
the idea of hooking the hook back into the worm - we DO have lots of stuff
on the bottom to snag!

I also have some flies that are weighted on the "back" so they sink
hook-up. I should give them a try.

Lloyd

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:17:19 +0000, Karl Pollak wrote:

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Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

We're having a fish-in in April targeting the (illegally-stocked)
largemouth bass in the Vancouver area.

Where?

Fraser Valley:
• Mill Lake - Abbotsford B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Hatzic Lake - Mission B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Chadsey Lake - Abbotsford, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Sturgeon Slough - Pitt Meadows, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Brunette River - Coquitlam, B.C. - (rumored) Largemouth Bass
• Judson Lake - Abbotsford, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Pepin Creek - Abbotsford, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• N. Alouette River - Pitt Meadows, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Fish Trap Creek - Abbotsford, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Glochester Ponds - Aldergrove, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• West Creek - Langley, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Salmon River - Fort Langley, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Kawkawa Lake - Hope, B.C. - Smallmouth Bass (few)
• Albert Dyck Park - Abbotsford, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Widgeon Creek (also mentioned in the thread)
• Walmsley Lake, Abbotsford (LM) from WCBA site
• Boundary Lake, Abbotsford (LM) from WCBA site
• Laxton Lake, Abbotsford (LM) from WCBA site


Okanagan:
• Osoyoos Lake - near town of Osoyoos, B.C. - Largemouth & Smallmouth Bass
• Skaha Lake - near Penticton and Okanagan Falls, B.C. - Largemouth & Smallmouth Bass
• Vaseux Lake - S. of Okanagan Falls, B.C. - Largemouth & Smallmouth Bass
• Deadman Lake - N. of Osoyoos, B.C. - Largemouth & Smallmouth Bass
• Okanagan River - From Okanagan Lake to Osoyoos Lake - Largemouth & Smallmouth Bass

Kootenays:
• Duck Lake - North of Creston, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Christina Lake - 22 km. E. of Grand Forks, B.C. - Largemouth & Smallmouth Bass
• Kootenay Lake Flats - S. end of lake near Creston, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Summit Creek (slough) - W. of Creston, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Jim Smith Lake - 7 km. SW. of Cranbrook, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Baynes Lake - 11 km. SW. of Elko, B.C. - Largemouth Bass
• Tie Lake - N. of Jaffray, B.C. - Smallmouth Bass

Lloyd

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:49:24 -0600, Del Cecchi
wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:08:48 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:18:09 -0800, Lloyd Sumpter
wrote:


Hi,

We're having a fish-in in April targeting the (illegally-stocked)
largemouth bass in the Vancouver area.

I've never fished for bass befo any hints? And do I need a 225hp
boat and do I need to dress like a NASCAR driver? ;)

No, you need a 300 hp boat and since you asked, no - you don't have
to dress like a NASCAR driver. Bra, crotchless panties, fishnet
stockings and black stiletto heels are the secret to catching large
mouth bass - the pros only wear the branded clothing when they are on
TV.

Just out of curiosity, what's the point of the fish-in?



OK, here's the Story: Bass are not native to BC. Somebody has illegally
dumped them into several lakes in the area. Now, bass compete with trout
and salmon, which ARE native, and we spend lots of tax dollars every year
enhancing the stocks with hatcheries.

So - we want to publicize this problem and try to reducs the bass stocks
and give the trout a better chance. And have some fun fishing while we're
at it!

And yes, bass fishermen are kind of a joke around here. I mean, do you
REALLY need that much HP to get around a lake thats only 1/2 a mile wide??
(The lakes we'll be targetting have no boat launch, and are restricted to
electric motors only)

Lloyd

Use Live Bait. The pros don't because it is not allowed by rules of
tournaments. Trolling is also effective.

Now, is there really evidence that the bass are adversely impacting the
trout? Or is this really just snobbery? Are Salmon native to those
lakes? You aren't stocking the non-native german brown trout? Here in
Minnesota, the only native trout are really char.... the lake trout and
the brook trout. Browns and Rainbows are imports.

Not to be argumentative, but the only true fresh water "trout" in the
US is the golden trout.

No joke - I read about this a couple of years ago. It exists no where
else in the world and some biologists have done comparison DNA studies
against other species of trout developing the theory that this is
actually the only trout that existed in North America prior to the
introduction of other trouts by what ever means they made it here.

If that convoluted sentence makes any sense at all. :)

I'm searching around in my libarary to find the article. I can't
remember which magazine it was in.

I'll find it.

Del Cecchi wrote:
Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:08:48 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:18:09 -0800, Lloyd Sumpter
wrote:


Hi,

We're having a fish-in in April targeting the
(illegally-stocked)
largemouth bass in the Vancouver area.

I've never fished for bass befo any hints? And do I need a
225hp
boat and do I need to dress like a NASCAR driver? ;)

No, you need a 300 hp boat and since you asked, no - you don't
have
to dress like a NASCAR driver. Bra, crotchless panties, fishnet
stockings and black stiletto heels are the secret to catching large
mouth bass - the pros only wear the branded clothing when they are
on
TV.

Just out of curiosity, what's the point of the fish-in?



OK, here's the Story: Bass are not native to BC. Somebody has
illegally
dumped them into several lakes in the area. Now, bass compete with
trout
and salmon, which ARE native, and we spend lots of tax dollars
every year
enhancing the stocks with hatcheries.

So - we want to publicize this problem and try to reducs the bass
stocks
and give the trout a better chance. And have some fun fishing while
we're
at it!

And yes, bass fishermen are kind of a joke around here. I mean, do
you
REALLY need that much HP to get around a lake thats only 1/2 a mile
wide??
(The lakes we'll be targetting have no boat launch, and are
restricted to
electric motors only)

Lloyd

Use Live Bait.

Sometimes live bait works better than artificials, and sometimes
artificials work better. Around here, when the fish are finicky, a soft
plastic Zoom lizard is THE go-to bait. Even after it has rained, and
the fish have been sitting at the creek mouths gorging on minnows for
days, they will still hit a plastic lizard, because spring lizards are
their natural enemy. The lizards love to eat the fry.

The pros don't because it is not allowed by rules of
tournaments. Trolling is also effective.

Trolling for largemouth bass???? With WHAT?

del cecchi

Calif Bill wrote:
Texas rigged is a weight right against the hook. The hook is buried
in a
plastic worm, so the worm is straight and the hook comes out of the
worm and
then is hooked back in to the skin of the worm, making it weedless.
The
Carolina rig is same hook, but a geavy weight, then a swivel and then
15-20"
leader to the hook.

Nope. With a Carolina rig, the weight is ABOVE the swivel, which is
usually around 3 or 4 feet above the hook. The weight is an egg sinker,
so it will go to the bottom, and the line will slide through the
weight.

Carolina rig is probably not great in BC, as it is for
muddy, silted in bottoms.

Nope. the Carolina rig CAN be used in silty situations, but is isn't
FOR them. There are many, many areas, and conditions where a Carolina
rig is affective. Further, it was first developed to fish DEEP
structure.

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Calif Bill wrote:
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Calif Bill wrote:
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:04:32 -0800, Lloyd Sumpter
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:08:48 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:18:09 -0800, Lloyd Sumpter
wrote:

Hi,

We're having a fish-in in April targeting the
(illegally-stocked)
largemouth bass in the Vancouver area.

I've never fished for bass befo any hints? And do I
need a
225hp
boat and do I need to dress like a NASCAR driver? ;)

No, you need a 300 hp boat and since you asked, no - you
don't
have
to dress like a NASCAR driver. Bra, crotchless panties,
fishnet
stockings and black stiletto heels are the secret to
catching
large
mouth bass - the pros only wear the branded clothing when
they
are on
TV.

Just out of curiosity, what's the point of the fish-in?


OK, here's the Story: Bass are not native to BC. Somebody has
illegally
dumped them into several lakes in the area. Now, bass compete
with
trout
and salmon, which ARE native, and we spend lots of tax
dollars
every year
enhancing the stocks with hatcheries.

So - we want to publicize this problem and try to reducs the
bass
stocks
and give the trout a better chance. And have some fun fishing
while we're
at it!

And yes, bass fishermen are kind of a joke around here. I
mean, do
you
REALLY need that much HP to get around a lake thats only 1/2
a
mile
wide??
(The lakes we'll be targetting have no boat launch, and are
restricted to
electric motors only)

Ah - well, that is certainly a good reason. Not quite a
perfect
reason, but a good one.

Bass fishing that far north takes some minor skills, but you
really
need to put this fish-in when the water warms to around fifty
degrees
F or so - that's when they become very active.

The best way to fish is to use darker color plastic worms
(like
blueberry or grape), Senko lures (6"green shades) or spinner
baits
in
bright colors. Two best ways to rig the worms - Carolina or
Texas.
I
prefer Texas, but I occasionally have success with Carolina
rigs.

Last, use shiners, but that can be problematic as you will
probably
have to sit on a breeding bed to get that to work.

Have fun. Don't forget the fishnet stockings.

Oh, and to answer your HP question - no, you really don't need
that
kind of HP, but in the bass world, it's monkey see, monkey do.
It
used to be that 18 foot bass boats were the best because
that's
what
the pros used. Then it used to be that 20 foot bass boats
were the
best because that's what the pros used. Then....etc.

Believe this or not, ten years ago, the HP limit on the bass
trail
was
175. Then it went to 225 now it's 300.

It's all marketing. :)

Later,

Tom

It is because you can drive 100 mph in a bass boat legally. In
a
car, they
take the car and a lot of money for driving that fast. Simple.

What state is it that they "take the car" for speeding?

CT.

Later,

Tom


CA for over a 100.
Show me.


You are not from Missouri. Do the research yourself.