"NOYB" wrote in message
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Bill,
How many cars are able to make 225 hp out of a 2.0 liter engine...thus
getting 112.5 hp/liter? How many of 'em run their engines at nearly
80-90% of redline continuously for extended periods of time?

You can buy a Cadillac CTS for about $32k. If you want the CTS-V (400hp
Corvette engine in it), expect to cough up another $18k. Now, we both
know
that the parts in the bigger engine can't cost *that* much more. You're
paying for technology. You don't have to pay $21k for an
outboard...unless
you want the latest technology. A Yammie 200hp OX66 can be bought for
half
of that. I said it befo it will take 7 years for Yamaha to recoup the
R&D costs on the 225 four-stroke. You're paying for the technology...not
the parts and pieces.

BTW--Your example about a lawnmower engine is ridiculous. If the
technological standard of a lawnmower engine was on par with a four-stroke
Yammie, everyone would be strapping a Lawn-boy to the stern of their boat.


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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OK, Gene. You've had your own machine shop, so you have the skills to
machine and assemble the parts. Go hire some R&D engineers, some
marketing
people, and some procurement individuals that'll obtain the special
alloys,
bearings, seals, and plastics you'll need, and build me a 225 hp
four-stroke
(no patent infringements! Better hire a patent attorney!) that costs
less
than $21,000. Oh yeah...and you have to pay yourself a salary too.
Afterall, the managers at Yamaha aren't working for free.


Your posts are beginning to border on the edge of absurdity.

P.S.--Better arrange for a BIG line of credit, 'cause you'll need it.




Your post is the absurd one. You can buy all the parts for an engine
for
a
lot less than 5k. You could buy everything, and cast a block and still
be
in maybe 10k and thats quantity one. Why does a motor cycle, costs less
than an outboard. And they are not making that many more bikes than
O/Bs.
Add in all the other small engines they, especially Honda, produce and
you
can see where the O/B is very much overpriced. My Yamaha T-8 is
probably
about $2800 list. I paid $2300. A small 8 hp fourstoke. I can buy a 6
hp
lawnmower for about $250 and that includes about $60 in government
mandated
safety equipment and loads of cost of liability insurance if some dodo
cuts
off his toes. My gearbox should cost $2550? The big Honda is the same
engine as one of the passenger cars, with a drysump added to run on end.
And that engine does not cost $10k. Hell, a Ford Powerstroke is only
about
$7500 complete. Same with Volvo and Yanmar diesels. $20k to power the
boat? I am buying a new 2004 Chevy LT crew cab 4x4 duramax. About
$42k.
Leather, CD changer, etc. And it is also overpriced! But Chevy can get
the
$$$$.

So can Yamaha and Mercury.



The technology of the lawnmower is close to the Yamaha. Tighter tolerances
and more beef in a few places but still close. My T-8 is carbed, same as
the lawnmower. Honda's use a car engine in their big O/B's. Infinity
engine I think. They can get the price, so they do. Where do you get 7
years for the R&D payoff? They are using that R&D all through the line, and
what is the R&D budget? Compared to sales?
Bill