"Lee Huddleston" wrote in message
...

You can't fight international terrorism with existing US laws. The
Clinton
administration tried that after the 1993 WTC attack, and it resulted in
the
2001 attack.

That is not true. The Clinton administration was successful in
fighting terrorism.

They were successful in hiding state-sponsored terrorism, and acting like it
was a few rogue individuals acting alone.

Here's a list of Americans killed by radical Islamic terrorists during
Clinton's watch:


January 25, 1993, Virginia, United States. A Pakistani gunman opened fire on
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) employees standing outside of the
building. Two agents, Frank Darling and Bennett Lansing, were killed and
three others wounded. The assailant was never caught and reportedly fled to
Pakistan.

February 26, 1993, Cairo, Egypt. A bomb exploded inside a café in downtown
Cairo killing three. Among the 18 wounded were two U.S. citizens. No one
claimed responsibility for the attack.

February 26, 1993, New York, United States. A massive van bomb exploded in
an underground parking garage below the World Trade Center in New York City,
killing six and wounding 1,042. Four Islamist activists were responsible for
the attack. Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, the operation's alleged mastermind, escaped
but was later arrested in Pakistan and extradited to the United States. Abd
al-Hakim Murad, another suspected conspirator, was arrested by local
authorities in the Philippines and handed over to the United States. The
two, along with two other terrorists, were tried in the U.S. and sentenced
to 240 years.

April 14, 1993, Kuwait. The Iraqi intelligence service attempted to
assassinate former U.S. President George Bush during a visit to Kuwait. In
retaliation, the U.S. launched a cruise missile attack two months later on
the Iraqi capital, Baghdad.

July 5, 1993, Southeast Turkey. In eight separate incidents, the Kurdistan
Workers' Party (PKK) kidnapped a total of 19 Western tourists traveling in
southeastern Turkey. The hostages, including U.S. citizen Colin Patrick
Starger, were released unharmed after spending several weeks in captivity.

December 1, 1993, north of Jerusalem, West Bank. Yitzhak Weinstock, 19,
whose family came from Los Angeles, CA, was killed in a drive-by shooting.
Hamas took responsibility for the attack

Sometime in 1994: near Atzmona, Gaza. U.S. citizen Mrs. Sheila Deutsch of
Brooklyn, NY injured in a shooting attack.

October 9, 1994. Nachshon Wachsman, 19, whose family came from New York, was
kidnapped and then murdered by Hamas.

October 9, 1994: Jerusalem, Israel. Shooting attack on cafe-goers in
Jerusalem. U.S. citizens Scot Doberstein and Eric Goldberg were injured.

March 8, 1995, Karachi, Pakistan. Two unidentified gunmen armed with AK-47
assault rifles opened fire on a U.S. Consulate van in Karachi, killing two
U.S. diplomats, Jacqueline Keys Van Landingham and Gary C. Durell, and
wounding a third, Mark McCloy.

April 9, 1995, Kfar Darom and Netzarim, Gaza Strip. Two suicide attacks were
carried out within a few hours of each other in Jewish settlements in the
Gaza Strip. In the first attack a suicide bomber crashed an explosive-rigged
van into an Israeli bus in Netzarim, killing eight including U.S. citizen
Alisa Flatow, 20, of West Orange, NJ. More than 30 others were injured. In
the second attack, a suicide bomber detonated a car bomb in the midst of a
convoy of cars in Kfar Darom, injuring 12. The Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
Shaqaqi Faction claimed responsibility for the attacks. U.S. citizens Chava
Levine and Seth Klein were injured.

June 15, 1995: Jerusalem, Israel. U.S. citizen Howard Tavens of Cleveland,
OH was injured in a stabbing attack.

July 4, 1995, Kashmir, India. In Kashmir, a previously unknown militant
group, Al-Faran, with suspected links to a Kashmiri separatist group in
Pakistan, took hostage six tourists, including two U.S. citizens. They
demanded the release of Muslim militants held in Indian prisons. One of the
U.S. citizens escaped on July 8, while on August 13 the decapitated body of
the Norwegian hostage was found along with a note stating that the other
hostages also would be killed if the group's demands were not met. The
Indian Government refused. Both Indian and American authorities believe the
rest of the hostages were most likely killed in 1996 by their jailers.

August 1995, Istanbul, Turkey. A bombing of Istanbul's popular Taksim Square
injured two U.S. citizens. This attack was part of a three-year-old attempt
by the PKK to drive foreign tourists away from Turkey by striking at tourist
sites.

August 21, 1995, Jerusalem, Israel. A bus bombing in Jerusalem by the
Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) killed four, including American Joan
Davenny of New Haven, CT, and wounded more than 100. U.S. citizens injured:
Chanoch Bleier, Judith Shulewitz, Bernard Batta.

September 9, 1995. Ma'ale Michmash. American killed: Unborn child of Mrs.
Mara Frey of Chicago. Mara Frey was injured.

November 9, 1995, Algiers, Algeria. Islamic extremists set fire to a
warehouse belonging to the U.S. Embassy, threatened the Algerian security
guard because he was working for the United States, and demanded to know
whether any U.S. citizens were present. The Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
probably carried out the attacks. The group had threatened to strike other
foreign targets and especially U.S. objectives in Algeria, and the attack's
style was similar to past GIA operations against foreign facilities.

November 13, 1995, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. A car bomb exploded in the parking
lot outside of the Riyadh headquarters of the Office of the Program
Manager/Saudi Arabian National Guard, killing seven persons, five of them
U.S. citizens, and wounding 42. The blast severely damaged the three-story
building, which houses a U.S. military advisory group, and several
neighboring office buildings. Three groups -- the Islamic Movement for
Change, the Tigers of the Gulf, and the Combatant Partisans of God --
claimed responsibility for the attack.

February 25, 1996, Jerusalem, Israel. A suicide bomber blew up a commuter
bus in Jerusalem, killing 26, including three U.S. citizens, and injuring 80
others, among them another two U.S. citizens. Hamas claimed responsibility
for the bombing. U. S. citizens killed: Sara Duker, of Teaneck, NJ, Matthew
Eisenfeld of West Hartford, CT, Ira Weinstein of Bronx, NY. U.S. citizens
injured: Beatrice Kramer, Steven Lapides.

March 4, 1996, Tel Aviv, Israel. A suicide bomber detonated an explosive
device outside the Dizengoff Center, Tel Aviv's largest shopping mall,
killing 20 persons and injuring 75 others, including two U.S. citizens. Both
Hamas and the Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the bombing. U.S.
citizens injured included Julie K. Negrin of Seattle, WA.

May 13, 1996, Beit-El, West Bank. Arab gunmen opened fire on a hitchhiking
stand near Beit El, wounding three Israelis and killing David Boim, 17, an
American-Israeli from New York. No one claimed responsibility for the
attack, although either the Islamic Jihad or Hamas are suspected. U.S.
citizens injured: Moshe Greenbaum, 17.

June 9, 1996, outside Zekharya. Yaron Ungar, an American-Israeli, and his
Israeli wife were killed in a drive-by shooting near their West Bank home.
The PFLP is suspected.

June 25, 1996, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. A fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded
outside the U.S. military's Khobar Towers housing facility in Dhahran,
killing 19 U.S. military personnel and wounding 515 persons, including 240
U.S. personnel. Several groups claimed responsibility for the attack. In
June 2001, a U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Virginia, identified Saudi
Hizballah as the party responsible for the attack. The court indicated that
the members of the organization, banned from Saudi Arabia, "frequently met
and were trained in Lebanon, Syria, or Iran" with Libyan help.

August 17, 1996, Mapourdit, Sudan. Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA)
rebels kidnapped six missionaries in Mapourdit, including a U.S citizen. The
SPLA released the hostages on August 28.

November 1, 1996, Sudan. A breakaway group of the Sudanese People's
Liberation Army (SPLA) kidnapped three workers of the International
Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), including one U.S citizen. The rebels
released the hostages on December 9 in exchange for ICRC supplies and a
health survey of their camp.

December 3, 1996, Paris, France. A bomb exploded aboard a Paris subway
train, killing four and injuring 86 persons, including a U.S. citizen. No
one claimed responsibility for the attack, but Algerian extremists are
suspected.

January 2, 1997, Major cities worldwide, United States. A series of letter
bombs with Alexandria, Egypt postmarks were discovered at Al-Hayat newspaper
bureaus in Washington, DC, New York, London, and Riyadh. Three similar
devices, also postmarked in Egypt, were found at a prison facility in
Leavenworth, Kansas. Bomb disposal experts defused all the devices, but one
detonated at the Al-Hayat newspaper office in London, injuring two security
guards and causing minor damage.

February 23, 1997, New York, United States. A Palestinian gunman opened fire
on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State building in New
York, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United
States, Argentina, Switzerland and France before turning the gun on himself.
A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment
attack against the "enemies of Palestine."

July 30, 1997, Jerusalem, Israel. Two bombs detonated in Jerusalem's Mahane
Yehuda market, killing 15 persons, including a U.S. citizen and wounding 168
others, among them two U.S. citizens. The Izz-el-Din al-Qassam Brigades,
Hamas' military wing, claimed responsibility for the attack. U.S. citizens
killed: Mrs. Leah Stern of Passaic, NJ. U.S. citizens injured: Dov Dalin.

September 4, 1997: Jerusalem, Israel. Bombing on Ben-Yehuda Street,
Jerusalem. U.S. citizens killed: Yael Botwin, 14, of Los Angeles and
Jerusalem. U.S. citizens injured: Diana Campuzano of New York, Abraham
Mendelson of Los Angeles, CA, Greg Salzman of New Jersey, Stuart E. Hersh of
Kiryat Arba, Israel, Michael Alzer, Abraham Elias, David Keinan, Daniel
Miller of Boca Raton, FL, Noam Rozenman of Jerusalem, Jenny (Yocheved) Rubin
of Los Angeles, CA. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

October 30, 1997, Sanaa, Yemen. Al-Sha'if tribesmen kidnapped a U.S.
businessman near Sanaa. The tribesmen sought the release of two fellow
tribesmen who were arrested on smuggling charges and several public works
projects they claim the government promised them. The hostage was released
on November 27.

November 12, 1997, Karachi, Pakistan. Two unidentified gunmen shot to death
four U.S. auditors from Union Texas Petroleum and their Pakistani driver as
they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. Two groups claimed
responsibility -- the Islamic Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary
Council and the Aimal Secret Committee, also known as the Aimal Khufia
Action Committee.

November 25, 1997, Aden, Yemen. Yemenite tribesmen kidnapped a U.S citizen,
two Italians, and two unspecified Westerners near Aden to protest the
eviction of a tribe member from his home. The kidnappers released the five
hostages on November 27.

April 19, 1998, Maon, Israel. Dov Driben, a 28-year-old American-Israeli
farmer was killed by terrorists near the West Bank town of Maon. One of his
assailants, Issa Debavseh, a member of Fatah Tanzim, was killed on November
7, 2001, by the IDF after being on their wanted list for the murder.

June 21, 1998, Beirut, Lebanon. Two hand-grenades were thrown at the U.S.
Embassy in Beirut. No casualties were reported.

June 21, 1998, Beirut, Lebanon. Three rocket-propelled grenades attached to
a crude detonator exploded near the U.S. Embassy compound in Beirut, causing
no casualties and little damage. August 7, 1998, Nairobi, Kenya. A car bomb
exploded at the rear entrance of the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi. The attack
killed a total of 292, including 12 U.S. citizens, and injured over 5,000,
among them six Americans. The perpetrators belonged to al-Qaida, Usama bin
Ladin's network.

August 7, 1998, Dar es Sala'am, Tanzania. A car bomb exploded outside the
U.S. Embassy in Dar es Sala'am, killing 11 and injuring 86. Osama bin
Laden's organization al-Qaida claimed responsibility for the attack. Two
suspects were arrested.

November 21, 1998, Teheran, Iran. Members of Fedayeen Islam, shouting
anti-American slogans and wielding stones and iron rods, attacked a group of
American tourists in Tehran. Some of the tourists suffered minor injuries
from flying glass.

December 28, 1998, Mawdiyah, Yemen. Sixteen tourists--12 Britons, two
Americans and two Australians--were taken hostage in the largest kidnapping
in Yemen's recent history. The tourists were seized in the Abyan province
(some 175 miles south of Sanaa the capital). One Briton and a Yemeni guide
escaped, while the rest were taken to city of Mawdiyah. Four hostages were
killed when troops closed in and two were wounded, including an American
woman. The kidnappers, members of the Islamic Army of Aden-Abyan, an
offshoot of Al-Jihad, had demanded the release from jail of their leader,
Saleh Haidara al-Atwi.

October 31, 1999, Nantucket, Massachusetts, United States. EgyptAir Flight
990 crashed off the U.S. coast killing all 217 people on board, including
100 Americans. Although it is not precisely clear what happened, evidence
indicated that an Egyptian pilot crashed the plane for personal or political
reasons.

November 4, 1999, Athens, Greece. A group protesting President Clinton's
visit to Greece hid a gas bomb at an American car dealership in Athens. Two
cars were destroyed and several others damaged. Anti-State Action claimed
responsibility for the attack, but the November 17 group was also suspected.

November 12, 1999, Islamabad, Pakistan. Six rockets were fired at the U.S.
Information Services cultural center and United Nations offices in
Islamabad, injuring a Pakistani guard.

September 29, 2000. near Jerusalem Israel. Attack on motorists. U.S.
citizens injured: Avi Herman of Teaneck, NJ, Naomi Herman of Teaneck, NJ.

September 29, 2000, Jerusalem, Israel. Attack on taxi passengers. U.S.
citizens injured: Tuvia Grossman of Chicago, Todd Pollack of Norfolk, VA,
Andrew Feibusch of New York.

October 4, 2000, near Bethlehem, West Bank. U.S. citizens injured: An
unidentified American tourist.

October 5, 2000: near Jerusalem, Israel. Attack on a motorist. U.S. citizens
injured: Rabbi Chaim Brovender of Brooklyn.

October 8, 2000, Nablus, West Bank. The bullet-ridden body of Rabbi Hillel
Lieberman, a U.S. citizen from Brooklyn living in the Jewish settlement of
Elon Moreh, was found at the entrance to the West Bank town of Nablus.
Lieberman had headed there after hearing that Palestinians had desecrated
the religious site, Joseph's Tomb. No organization claimed responsibility
for the murder.

October 12, 2000, Aden Harbor, Yemen. A suicide squad rammed the warship the
U.S.S. Cole with an explosives-laden boat killing 13 American sailors and
injuring 33. The attack was likely by Osama bin Ladin's al-Qaida
organization.

October 30, 2000, Jerusalem, Israel. Gunmen killed Eish Kodesh Gilmor, a
25-year-old American-Israeli on duty as a security guard at the National
Insurance Institute in Jerusalem. The "Martyrs of the Al-Aqsa Intifada," a
group linked to Fatah, claimed responsibility for the attack. Gilmor's
family filed a suit in the U.S. District Court in Washington against the
Palestinian Authority, the PLO, Chairman Yasser Arafat and members of Force
17, as being responsible for the attack.

December 31, 2000, Ofra, Israel. Rabbi Binyamin Kahane, 34, and his wife,
Talia Hertzlich Kahane, both formerly of Brooklyn, NY were killed in a
drive-by shooting. Their children, Yehudit Leah Kahane, Bitya Kahane, Tzivya
Kahane, Rivka Kahane, and Shlomtsion Kahane, were injured in the attack.




The big ones you already knew about: 1993 WTC attack, 1996 Khobar Towers,
1999 Egypt Air crash, and the 2000 attack on the USS Cole. There's plenty
of evidence to suggest that Clinton's cronies also managed to conceal the
fact that the 1996 TWA 800 disaster was a terrorist attack, downed by a
surface to air missile.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:08:16 -0500, "NOYB" wrote:



Here's a list of Americans killed by radical Islamic terrorists during
Clinton's watch:

NOYB,

I noticed that you did not respond to my point that 2001 WTC occurred
on George Bush's watch. Since when did a commander not take
responsibility for what happened on his/her watch? This is especially
true when there were so many warnings of exactly what happened. From
Clark, from the FBI, and from the FAA (recently revealed). All they
did not know was what public building. And WTC having been attacked
before, they could have figured that out if they had put any effort
into it.

As for your comment that criminals get free on "technicalities" all
the time, that is not true either. The technicalities that you refer
to are the constitution and the rule of law that has been developed
over a thousand years. The criminal "justice" system is weighed very
heavily in favor of the government. This is doubly so with regard to
the federal government. More often than not people (especially poor
people and African/Americans) get convicted and screwed by
technicalities in favor of the government. You just think that
criminals get free due to some liberal, whimpy "technicality" because
you listen to the lies and distortions put forth from "conservative"
propagandist.

Lee Huddleston

"Lee Huddleston" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:08:16 -0500, "NOYB" wrote:



Here's a list of Americans killed by radical Islamic terrorists during
Clinton's watch:

NOYB,

I noticed that you did not respond to my point that 2001 WTC occurred
on George Bush's watch. Since when did a commander not take
responsibility for what happened on his/her watch?

There's not a person on the face of this Earth who thinks 9/11 was planned
and executed in an 8 month period. bin Laden made his declaration of war
against the US on August 23, 1996.

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/OPF980830.htm

Clinton had several opportunities to assassinate or arrest the *******
prior to 9/11, but was worried about the Constitutionality of such an act.
In fact, he's on record (audiotape) as saying that he didn't know under what
legal grounds he could hold him when the Sudanese offered to hand him over.

http://www.google.com/search?q=clint...utf-8&oe=utf-8

This is precisely the point that is being argued here. Our laws are
inadequate to deal with international mass murder and/or war...which is why
the Constitution affords special rights to the President under special
circumstances. Most countries do.





This is especially
true when there were so many warnings of exactly what happened. From
Clark, from the FBI, and from the FAA (recently revealed). All they
did not know was what public building. And WTC having been attacked
before, they could have figured that out if they had put any effort
into it.

As for your comment that criminals get free on "technicalities" all
the time, that is not true either. The technicalities that you refer
to are the constitution and the rule of law that has been developed
over a thousand years. The criminal "justice" system is weighed very
heavily in favor of the government.

Not true. The burden of proof lies with the prosecution. All it takes is
enough reasonable doubt to convince one person out of twelve that the
prosecution's case doesn't hold water. If a guy like Harry, Chuck, or you
were to sit on a jury in a trial of Donald Rumsfeld v. Padilla, you guys
already have enough doubt before the case even begins. That's the
fundamental flaw in our system...particularly when politics gets in the way.

This is doubly so with regard to
the federal government. More often than not people (especially poor
people and African/Americans) get convicted and screwed by
technicalities in favor of the government.

So you're a champion for the little guy, eh? What about victim's rights?
What about the poor girl who is kidnapped and murdered by a serial sex
offender in Sarasota because the judge didn't have the power to hold the guy
under existing law?

You just think that
criminals get free due to some liberal, whimpy "technicality" because
you listen to the lies and distortions put forth from "conservative"
propagandist.


No. It's because I read stories about life-long criminals committing
multiple violent acts becaus they're out on technicalites.

I noticed that you did not respond to my point that 2001 WTC occurred
on George Bush's watch. Since when did a commander not take
responsibility for what happened on his/her watch?


NOYB wrote:
There's not a person on the face of this Earth who thinks 9/11 was planned
and executed in an 8 month period.

That's not the point.

The point is that Bush & Cheney did nothing... NOTHING! ... to stop the
progress of the Sept 11th plotters, desptite the warnings and intel he
was handed.


Clinton had several opportunities to assassinate or arrest the *******
prior to 9/11, but was worried about the Constitutionality of such an act.

Unlike Bush & Cheney, who don't give a flying **** about the Constitution.

In fact, he's on record (audiotape) as saying that he didn't know under what
legal grounds he could hold him when the Sudanese offered to hand him over.


Guess what... Sept 11th hadn't happened yet.

You're ignoring the fact that after Sept 11th, which Osama Bin Laden
claimed full credit for, Bush & Cheney gave up looking for him.



This is precisely the point that is being argued here. Our laws are
inadequate to deal with international mass murder and/or war...

That's simply not true.

*IF* Bush & Cheney had managed their intel & counter-terrorist ops
half-competently, then Sept 11th would not have happened. Instead they
were worried about how to hush up Cheney's oil policy.

It is not a case on inadequate law, it is a case of incompetent leadership.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
I noticed that you did not respond to my point that 2001 WTC occurred
on George Bush's watch. Since when did a commander not take
responsibility for what happened on his/her watch?


NOYB wrote:
There's not a person on the face of this Earth who thinks 9/11 was
planned and executed in an 8 month period.

That's not the point.

The point is that Bush & Cheney did nothing... NOTHING! ... to stop the
progress of the Sept 11th plotters, desptite the warnings and intel he was
handed.


Clinton had several opportunities to assassinate or arrest the *******
prior to 9/11, but was worried about the Constitutionality of such an
act.

Unlike Bush & Cheney, who don't give a flying **** about the Constitution.

In fact, he's on record (audiotape) as saying that he didn't know under
what legal grounds he could hold him when the Sudanese offered to hand
him over.


Guess what... Sept 11th hadn't happened yet.


Somalia had happened. The 1993 WTC attack had happened. Soon after the
proclamation of war, the Khobar towers attack occurred...followed shortly by
the USS Cole. After the Cole, Clinton didn't react even though all
indications were that it was directed by bin Laden.



You're ignoring the fact that after Sept 11th, which Osama Bin Laden
claimed full credit for, Bush & Cheney gave up looking for him.


No they didn't. The PDB's from the period leading up to 9/11 showed that
Bush had directed the DoD to formulate an attack plan to go into
Afghanistan.





This is precisely the point that is being argued here. Our laws are
inadequate to deal with international mass murder and/or war...

That's simply not true.

Yes it is. bin Laden should have been captured or killed the minute that he
declared war on the US.


*IF* Bush & Cheney had managed their intel & counter-terrorist ops
half-competently, then Sept 11th would not have happened.

8 months wasn't enough time to formulate and implement a plan to remove the
Taliban from power in Afghanistan. Besides that, the Bush administration
had to deal with tensions over China's downing of one of our Naval planes.


Instead they were worried about how to hush up Cheney's oil policy.




It is not a case on inadequate law, it is a case of incompetent
leadership.

Right you are! From 1996 until 2000, Clinton had several opportunites to
get the *******.

NOYB wrote:
.... bin Laden should have been captured or killed the minute that he
declared war on the US.


So why hasn't Bush captured him yet?

Fact: Approx four years after Bin Laden had "declared war" on the US,
his organization was unable to carry out an attack on US soil.

Fact: The President of the U.S. cannot simply order any person on earth
killed.

Fact: Bush has *still* not managed to capture of kill Bin Laden

Fact: there is no proven link between Iraq and anti-US terrorism

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
NOYB wrote:
.... bin Laden should have been captured or killed the minute that he
declared war on the US.


So why hasn't Bush captured him yet?

Different circumstances. bin Laden was operating in public soon after his
declaration of war. The Sudanese had him and offered him to us.




Fact: Approx four years after Bin Laden had "declared war" on the US, his
organization was unable to carry out an attack on US soil.

But he was targeting Americans with attacks that came approximately once
every 6 months...while he was training terrorists to carry out the 9/11
attack.



Fact: The President of the U.S. cannot simply order any person on earth
killed.

That's not a fact. That's an opinion.


Fact: Bush has *still* not managed to capture of kill Bin Laden

Could be another opinion. Where is he?


Fact: there is no proven link between Iraq and anti-US terrorism

There are dozens of proven links...but you've chosen not to believe them.

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:39:57 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Somalia had happened. The 1993 WTC attack had happened. Soon after the
proclamation of war, the Khobar towers attack occurred...followed shortly
by the USS Cole. After the Cole, Clinton didn't react even though all
indications were that it was directed by bin Laden.

The Cole was attacked Oct. 12, 2000. You say Clinton didn't react in the
three months left of his Presidency. Now, just what did Bush do about bin
Laden in the *8* months of his Presidency? You know, the 8 months he had
to track down bin Laden, before 9/11.

NOYB wrote:
Somalia had happened. The 1993 WTC attack had happened.

And the perpetrators were, for the most part, in jail... and still are.

... Soon after the
proclamation of war, the Khobar towers attack occurred...followed shortly
by the USS Cole. After the Cole, Clinton didn't react even though all
indications were that it was directed by bin Laden.


thunder wrote:
The Cole was attacked Oct. 12, 2000. You say Clinton didn't react in the
three months left of his Presidency. Now, just what did Bush do about bin
Laden in the *8* months of his Presidency? You know, the 8 months he had
to track down bin Laden, before 9/11.

He was practicing reading "My Pet Goat."

DSK

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:39:57 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Somalia had happened. The 1993 WTC attack had happened. Soon after the
proclamation of war, the Khobar towers attack occurred...followed shortly
by the USS Cole. After the Cole, Clinton didn't react even though all
indications were that it was directed by bin Laden.

The Cole was attacked Oct. 12, 2000. You say Clinton didn't react in the
three months left of his Presidency. Now, just what did Bush do about bin
Laden in the *8* months of his Presidency? You know, the 8 months he had
to track down bin Laden, before 9/11.

This occurred before Bush took office:

"The CIA's Afghan assets reported on about a half a dozen occasions before
9/11 that they had considered attacking bin Ladin, usually as he traveled in
his convoy along the rough Afghan roads. Each time the operation was
reportedly aborted. Several times the Afghans said that bin Ladin had taken
a different route than expected. On one occasion security was said to be too
tight to capture him. Another time they heard women and children's voices
from inside the convoy, and abandoned the assault for fear of killing
innocents"

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archiv...2004-03-24.htm

"Drones were flown successfully over Afghanistan 16 times in fall 2000. At
least twice the Predator saw a security detail around a tall man in a white
robe whom some analysts determined was probably bin Ladin. " (why didn't
Clinton have boots on the ground to get him?)

Here's the really damning evidence against Clinton:

" When the American destroyer, the U.S.S. Cole, was bombed in Yemen in
October 2000, al Qaeda was immediately suspected of having struck again. The
Counterterrorism Center developed an offensive initiative for Afghanistan,
regardless of policy or financial constraints. It was called the Blue Sky
Memo. In December 2000, the CIA sent this to the NSC staff. The memo
recommended increased support to anti-Taliban groups and to proxies who
might ambush bin Ladin. The Counterterrorism Center also proposed a major
effort to back Northern Alliance forces in order to stave off the Taliban
army and tie down al Qaeda fighters, thereby hindering terrorist activities
elsewhere.
No action was taken on these ideas in the few remaining weeks of the Clinton
administration. (No action was taken!)

The Blue Sky Memo itself was not apparently discussed with the incoming top
Bush administration officials during the transition."

(The Blue Sky Memo was not even discussed with the Bush administration!)

Here's what happened after Bush took office:

" President-elect Bush asked whether killing bin Ladin would end the
problem. Pavitt said he and the DCI answered that killing bin Ladin would
have an impact, but not stop the threat.

The CIA later provided more formal assessments to the White House,
reiterating that conclusion. It added that the only long-term way to deal
with the threat was to add al Qaeda's ability to use Afghanistan as a
sanctuary for its operations."

The new Administration's policy review apparently began in March, and
continued throughout the spring and summer of 2001. At the end of May,
National Security Adviser Rice met with DCI Tenet and their counterterrorism
experts. She asked about, quote, "taking the offensive," end of quote,
against al Qaeda, and asked Clarke and the Counterterrorism Center chief,
Cofer Black, to develop a full range of options. A plan for a larger covert
action effort was a major component of the new al Qaeda strategy codified in
a draft presidential directive that was first circulated in early June.


NSC principals apparently endorsed the new presidential directive on al
Qaeda at their meeting on September 4th. On September 10th, Deputy National
Security Adviser Hadley formally tasked DCI Tenet to draw up new draft
authorities for the broad covert action program envisioned in that
directive, including significant additional funding and involving Pashtun
elements as well as the Northern Alliance.


The CIA was given the green light and was in the process of implementing the
plan to oust the Taliban. Too bad the plan wasn't given a green light 3
months before Bush took office. :-(