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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:31:00 -0500, "NOYB" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On 28 Feb 2005 16:42:02 -0800, wrote:

You keep missing the big picture, John.

We embark on a crusade that makes a mockery of everything this country
traditionally has stood for, imprison people without due process,
follow our own citiznes around peering and prying into library reading
lists, etc.....and you continue to declare every day with fewer than
the prevailing average number of innocent people killed as "good news".

Good news will be when we get serious about dismembering the
organization that already attacked us, not when we continue down some
unrelated list of people and nations who just might maybe, somehow,
some way, someday, attack us in the future. (Taken to its logical
extreme, that includes everybody).

Give me liberty or give me death? For too many folks that has become
"Forget about liberty. Give me an absolute assurance my family won't be
attacked by a terrorist and I'll volunteer to set fire to the Bill of
Rights"

"People who are willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither."

The post had to do with WMD in Lebanon. Is that the 'big picture' I
missed?

We embarked on a crusade to rid the world of a regime that brutalized its
own
people, those of other countries, and threatened us. The evidence for the
existence of the WMD keeps getting closer. Once it's found, what will your
rationale consist of?

Good news has been occurring in leaps and bounds. That is a fact, and your
anti-US, anti-Bush negativism isn't going to change it.

Stop your incessant whining. You're beginning to sound like Krause!

I just hope Chuck is smart enough to realize the magnitude of what is
happening right now in the Middle East (Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon).

The Arab-Israeli conflict is being fueled by Syria and Iran...and those two
countries are being marginalized into irrelevancy.


Hell, even Hillary Clinton realizes the magnitude of the changes. So does Joe
Biden. But not our Chuck, et al.

He *is* smart enough, and I'm sure he understands the changes. But, I think he's
trying to defend a line he's drawn in the sand. [Note: I'm referring only to
Chuck with the 'smart enough' comment.]

One can only go, "But...but...but..." so many times before they begin to see for
themselves.

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
So why did we attack Iraq?



NOYB wrote:
You missed the part where Saddam was paying the families of suicide
bombers, and was harboring known terrorists (like Abu Nidal) in Baghdad?


So, we invaded Iraq because they harbored an anti-European terrorist about
20 years ago, and Saddam *claimed* (not verified) that he was supporting
anti-Israeli terrorists?


I'm tired of listing the proof, so here's a link:
http://www.husseinandterror.com/

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:09:02 -0500, NOYB wrote:


You missed the part where Saddam was paying the families of suicide
bombers, and was harboring known terrorists (like Abu Nidal) in Baghdad?

Abu Nidal? Geez, you were in diapers the last time that organization was
active.

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:09:02 -0500, NOYB wrote:


You missed the part where Saddam was paying the families of suicide
bombers, and was harboring known terrorists (like Abu Nidal) in Baghdad?

Abu Nidal? Geez, you were in diapers the last time that organization was
active.

I didn't realize there was statute of limitations on international murder.
They're still hunting Nazis, aren't they?

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:13:40 -0500, NOYB wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:09:02 -0500, NOYB wrote:


You missed the part where Saddam was paying the families of suicide
bombers, and was harboring known terrorists (like Abu Nidal) in
Baghdad?

Abu Nidal? Geez, you were in diapers the last time that organization
was active.

I didn't realize there was statute of limitations on international murder.
They're still hunting Nazis, aren't they?

That may be, but we don't invade countries looking for dead Nazis. Sabri
al-Banna, aka. Abu Nidal, was killed in 2002, *before* we invaded Iraq.

So, we invaded Iraq because they harbored an anti-European terrorist about
20 years ago, and Saddam *claimed* (not verified) that he was supporting
anti-Israeli terrorists?



NOYB wrote:
I'm tired of listing the proof, so here's a link:
http://www.husseinandterror.com/


Basically a long and tedious repeat of the same info I summarized above.

Proven links between Iraq & anti-US terrorism: NONE

OTOH Saddam was a good buddy to Bush Sr and Rumsfeld back in the good
ol' days. Pictures don't lie!
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

DSK

And some more good news:


Saudis Tell Syria to Withdraw From Lebanon

7 minutes ago

By SALAH NASRAWI, Associated Press Writer

CAIRO, Egypt - Saudi officials told Syrian President Bashar Assad on
Thursday that he must fully withdraw troops from Lebanon and begin soon or
face strains in Saudi-Syrian ties. Assad promised only to study the idea of
a partial withdrawal by later this month.



The kingdom took a tough line as Assad met with the Saudi leader, Crown
Prince Abdullah, and other officials in Riyadh. So far, Damascus has
resisted Arab pressure for a quick pullout from Lebanon.


Saudi officials told Assad the kingdom insists on the full withdrawal of all
Syrian military and intelligence forces from Lebanon and wants it to start
"soon," according to a Saudi official who spoke by telephone from Riyadh.

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Even the US has more allies in the Middle East than Syria.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
And some more good news:



Even the US has more allies in the Middle East than Syria.


The US has one ally in the Middle East.

Which is equal to the number of allies Syria has right now.

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:34:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

And some more good news:


Saudis Tell Syria to Withdraw From Lebanon

7 minutes ago

By SALAH NASRAWI, Associated Press Writer

CAIRO, Egypt - Saudi officials told Syrian President Bashar Assad on
Thursday that he must fully withdraw troops from Lebanon and begin soon or
face strains in Saudi-Syrian ties. Assad promised only to study the idea of
a partial withdrawal by later this month.



The kingdom took a tough line as Assad met with the Saudi leader, Crown
Prince Abdullah, and other officials in Riyadh. So far, Damascus has
resisted Arab pressure for a quick pullout from Lebanon.


Saudi officials told Assad the kingdom insists on the full withdrawal of all
Syrian military and intelligence forces from Lebanon and wants it to start
"soon," according to a Saudi official who spoke by telephone from Riyadh.

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Even the US has more allies in the Middle East than Syria.


Let's see...Saudi Arabia gets into it with Syria. We go in to Saudi Arabia to
provide 'assistance' and take on Syria while we're there. Saudi Arabia then
'asks' us to stick around and protect them and their oil, so we put in a few air
fields and other installations. We just 'happen' to be right across the pond
from Iran.

Could get really interesting!

John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."