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Hey Hairball, that beloved ACLU of yours defends the right to
distribute child pornograpy:


Carl Maves wrote, "How many gay men, I wonder, would have missed out
on a valuable, liberating experience, one that initiated them into
their sexuality, if it weren't for so-called molestation?" (See the
full article titled, "Getting Over It" in The Advocate, page 85.)
The slogan for NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association, is
"Sex by eight or it's too late," meaning not eight p.m., but eight
years old. Time Magazine is always understanding of homosexual crime.
They printed a puff image piece on Peter Melzer, the editor of
NAMBLA's journal. In the article For the Love of Kids (Nov. 1, 93,
page 51) the ACLU defended this pervert arguing that if we condemn
"NAMBLA today, who is it tomorrow?" Melzer is also a New York City
public school teacher (surprised?). He published an article In Praise
of the Penises, on "how to make that special boy feel good." As to a
police report on Melzer?s alleged sex with a Filipino boy, according
to Time, there is no hard evidence that he abused this "or any other
boy in the U.S." Yeah, right.
The homosexuals chanted during their 1993 march on Washington, "Ten
percent is not enough! Recruit, recruit, recruit!" They want my
children. They want your children.
Examine the record of those who defend homosexual adoption of
children. Jim Joy, the executive director of Colorado?s ACLU, admitted
during a PBS televised debate that the written national policy of the
ACLU defends the right to distribute child pornography. As with many
leading voices, the ACLU?s opposition of child abuse is hypocrisy.
Every such video sold of a thirteen-year-old sexually exploits the
child again. So the ACLU, known to tolerate child abuse, sells
children out again by advocating their adoption by homosexuals.
Homosexual leaders blatantly voice tolerance for child sex abuse. A
prominent gay magazine, Out, quoted Damien Martin, the head of New
York's homosexual Harvey Milk High School, as saying, "No kid has ever
been hurt by [oral sex]" in September, 1994 on page 73. The leading
gay publication, The Advocate, in an article titled Getting Over It
pondered on May 5, 1992 about how many boys "would have missed out on
a valuable, liberating experience - one that initiated them into their
sexuality - if it weren?t for so-called molestation?"
Time magazine also lacks zero tolerance for homosexual child abusers.
They quoted the ACLU in defense of an aggressive advocate of
pedophilia. NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association exists
to promote homosexual sex with young boys. Leading gay-pride
organizers in New York and San Francisco allowed NAMBLA to march
undisguised in their parades repeatedly during the last two decades. A
Time article grotesquely titled For the Love of Kids in November, 1993
quoted the ACLU defending a New York City teacher, Peter Melzer who
edits the NAMBLA journal. Melzer published an article In Praise of the
Penises, on "how to make that special boy feel good." As to the police
report on Melzer's alleged sex with a Filipino boy, Time assured its
readers, there is no hard evidence that he abused this "or any other
boy in the U.S." In the U.S.
The media defends homosexuals who want to adopt children, but it also
supports homosexuals who openly advocate sex with kids. The national
media warmly eulogized Alan Ginsburg this past spring conveniently
ignoring this homosexual poet?s public endorsement of NAMBLA. In
Denver, a convicted pedophile, who says today he controls his
longings, is running for Denver School Board with the support of many
in the homosexual community. Long-time gay activist David Thorstad,
founding member of the Coalition for Lesbian and Gay Rights and former
president of the New York Gay Activists Alliance loudly protested when
in 1993 the March on Washington organizers broke with tradition and
excluded pedophiles like NAMBLA. With all the attention, they feared
the media would expose the homosexual acceptance of pedophilia. Talk
about paranoia.
The nation's largest gay publicist, Alyson Publications of Boston,
which distributes Daddy?s Roommate and other homosexual books for
kids, published Paedophilia: The Radical Case, hundreds of pages of
why and how seven year old boys should be brought to climax.
Another Alyson book, The Age Taboo on page 144 insists: "Boy-lovers...
are not child molesters. The child abusers are... parents who force
their staid morality onto the young people in their custody."
A Florida judge recently ruled unconstitutional their age-of-consent
law, following northern European nations in lowering the age at which
dirty old men can legally set their sights on boys. Liberal ideas have
taken their expected course with lawyers arguing that since
adolescents have the right over their own bodies regardless of what
parents or legislators think, then they can elect sex whenever and
with whomever they choose, with age discrimination ultimately
unenforceable.
America's newspapers are their silent partners. Those who are soft on
child sex, or even those boldly endorsing it, have nothing to fear
from the mainstream media. Partly because of the media's silence, the
Clinton administration voted to give ILGA, the International Lesbian
and Gay Association consulting status at the United Nations even
though NAMBLA was a full and active member of that organization, even
appearing on its letterhead. Imagine, professed pedophiles advising on
international child law. NAMBLA remained at the UN until the outcry of
the religious right ousted them.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Thus the broadly overlapping groups, the homosexual community and the
open pedophiles, are longtime allies. Both groups work to break down
previously unquestioned sexual standards. The national Gay Rights
Platform of 1972 called for the repeal of all age-of-consent laws. Gay
activist Andy Humm bragged of his influence over the New York City
Council in the New York Native, August, 1983 and wrote that, "No one
should be denied basic civil rights because of his or her orientation,
whether the person be homosexual, heterosexual, transsexual,
transvestite, pedophile, sadist, masochist, asexual; whatever one can
imagine."
We are not saying that gays will sexually molest a child. We are
saying that homosexuals have long given aid and comfort to pedophiles,
publicly. And we are saying that the media and other defenders of
homosexuals are the silent partners of those who work toward the day
when children are a sex commodity. The media rejects but intuitively
fears the connection between child molestation and homosexuality. It
therefore suppresses reports of the torrent of public advocacy for gay
pedophilia. Instead, the media wears out the same worn cliché that
homosexuals are no more likely to molest children than heterosexuals.
On homosexual initiation, sex researchers Masters and Johnson wrote in
Human Sexual Inadequacy that "Recruitment usually was accomplished by
an older male, frequently in his twenties, but occasionally men in
their thirties were the initiators: the teenager was left with the
concept that whether or not he continued as an active homosexual, he
would always be homophile-oriented."
Homosexuals do reproduce sexually, by molesting children. According to
a 1994 Out article titled "The Men From the Boys," the director of a
home for runaway youth admits that between 14 and 16 years of age, he
"probably had sex with well over a thousand people, most of them much
older than myself." This boy hardly met a homosexual adult who would
not have sex with him.
Of Canadians imprisoned for pedophilia, a 1991 report reveals that 91
percent of molesters of non-familial boys admitted to no lifetime
sexual contact other than homosexual according to Volume 6, page 323
of the Journal of Interpersonal Violence. In America, about one third
of the children sexually molested are boys, and about ninety percent
of them are hurt by men. The refereed scientific journal,
Psychological Reports in 1986 presented research in Volume 58 starting
on page 327 showing that homosexuals commit a far greater percentage
of child sex crimes than demographics alone account for.
Every man molesting a boy is committing a homosexual act. Young boys
do not excite straight men. To let a homosexual make the point in his
own words, the San Francisco Sentinel published a letter on March 26,
1992 headlined, "No Place for Homo-Homophobia" with the common
admission that, "The love between men and boys is at the foundation of
homosexuality. For the gay community to imply that boy-love is not
homosexual love is ridiculous." Activist pedophiles easily find media
outlets.
Activists seeking special advantages for gays have recently admitted
that "Certainly it is true that `homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual
orientation' is not equivalent to racial minority status..."
(testimony of gay activist Robin Miller, before the Colorado State
Elections/ Licensing Committee, September 19, 1991, emphasis added).
They also say they consider the argument that divergent sexual
behavior or alleged desire doesn't equal ethnicity as "irrelevant" to
discussion of the issue.
Writing in the March 22, 1994 issue of the gay publication The
Advocate, gay business columnist Ed Mickens admits: "Today, it's rare
that anyone gets fired just for being gay." As syndicated columnist
Don Feder points out: "Mickens should know. He's the author of `The
100 Best Companies For Gay Men And Lesbians,' wherein are listed
corporate giants with `gay-friendly policies,' including training
programs that teach `sensitivity' on homosexual issues... A
conscientious Christian or Jew is far more likely to feel
uncomfortable in the politically correct workplace of the '90s than
the average homosexual" ("Gay-rights lobby stakes hopes on House
gambit," Colorado Springs Gazette Telegraph, June 28, 1994, p. B5).
Self-identified lesbian writer Donna Minkowitz comments on the
"innateness" question in a recent Advocate article, entitled "Recruit,
recruit, recruit!": "Remember that most of the line about homosex
being one's nature, not a choice, was articulated as a response to
brutal repression. `It's not our fault!' gay activists began to
declaim a century ago, when queers first began to organize in Germany
and England. `We didn't choose this, so don't punish us for it!' One
hundred years later, it's time for us to abandon this defensive
posture and walk upright on the earth. Maybe you didn't choose to be
gay -- that's fine. But I did" (December 29, 1992).
When homosexual author James Spada, in The Spada Report, a survey of
homosexual attitudes and behavior (New American Library, 1979), asked
homosexual subjects "Have you ever had your rights denied you because
you are gay?" -- 72.1% of his respondents answered "No" and an
additional 10% gave no answer or said they "didn't know."
Gay militants Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen express clearly their
contempt for an American public they are confident they can "convert"
to acceptance and subsidy of the gay extremist agenda: "...By
conversion we actually mean something more profoundly threatening to
the American way of life. We mean conversion of the average American's
emotions, mind and will, through a planned psychological attack. We
mean `subverting' the mechanism of prejudice to our own ends -- using
the very process that made America hate us to turn their hatred into
warm regard -- whether they like it or not" (After the Ball, op. cit.,
pp. 153-154).
The State of Hawaii recently passed S.B. No. 1811, legislation giving
protected class status to "sexual orientation." In answer to an
inquiry regarding the bill's effects on church hiring, Attorney
General Warren Price wrote: " . . . Non-sectarian employees of the
church, church-sponsored activities or programs are not exempt. This
would include secretaries, janitors, gardeners, teachers, etc."
[emphasis added]
"Conservative Presbyterians failed to gain exemption from a gay rights
provision in New Jersey's anti-discrimination laws [to which "sexual
orientation" has recently been added]. The 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of
Appeals denied a request from the state presbytery of the Orthodox
Presbyterian Church for an injunction barring the state from enforcing
[a] gay and lesbian civil rights provision against it. The OPC had
argued that its First Amendment freedom would be violated if it were
forced to hire or retain homosexual employees" (PCA Bulletin
Supplement, April, 1993).
In fact, in Boulder, Colorado today, under a "gay rights" ordinance,
apartment dwellers and dorm-residing college students are being told
they are legally prohibited from asking if a prospective roommate is
gay. Furthermore, if they've been lied to and want to change
roommates, the financial burden is on them.
Wisconsin's former Governor Lee Sherman Dreyfus signed into law that
State's bill granting protected class status to "sexual orientation."
He was assured that the bill would have no effect on religious
institutions like the 40-year-old Rawhide Boys' Ranch, a home for
troubled boys. Shortly after Dreyfus left office, two male homosexuals
appeared at the Ranch, demanding to be hired as boys' counselors.
Dreyfus later wrote the bill's supporters, expressing his sense of
betrayal at the homosexual community's breach of promise. Evidence has
recently surfaced indicating that not only was the provocative action
Dreyfus complained of deliberate, it was planned by the Wisconsin
Governor's Council on Lesbian and Gay Issues. In minutes from an
October 19, 1985, meeting of that Council, under the heading
"RAWHIDE," we read: "Jim Thideman [one of eight members present] has
asked some people to apply for a job [at Rawhide] and pursue filing a
discrimination report with ERD upon refusal of employment, assuming it
will be that clear cut. Kathleen Nichols [another Council member]
reported that Char McLaughlan is acquainted with a lesbian with a son
at Rawhide who has been refused family counseling sessions if
accompanied by her lover. Follow-up is necessary to see if this woman
would be willing to file a complaint." According to sources at
Rawhide, heading off these conspiratorial plans cost in excess of
$30,000. Relief only came through passage of additional legislation
that exempted religious institutions like Rawhide. But Rawhide still
has outstanding debts remaining from this episode. Under legislation
granting special minority status to gays, we can expect a plethora of
similar nuisance suits and test cases to clog our legal system and
bleed defendants dry financially.
Homosexual activists frequently express deep hostility to traditional,
Judeo- Christian moral beliefs and values. Writings by gay activists
show contempt for and determination to do away with the institution of
the nuclear family. Gay social agendas detailed in Teal's The Gay
Militants, Jay and Young's Out of the Closets and Tobin and Wicker's
The Gay Crusaders specify that:
"The family as we know it be abolished... That homosexuals be placed
in positions of caregivers and permitted to become teachers, clergy,
counselors, therapists and social workers. That they be allowed to
participate in the rearing and education of children... That children
be placed in communal care away from their parents, with boys and
girls reared the same and cared for by adults who are under the
direction of lesbian women... That children should be reared in a
unisex role", etc. (as reported in Gay Is Not Good, pp. 104, 105,
Frank M. duMas, Nashville, TN, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1979).
Gay activist Michael Swift echoed the frequent tone of such diatribes,
writing: "[The family] is a spawning ground of lies, betrayals,
mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence -- and will be abolished. The
family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must
be eliminated" (Gay Community News, Feb. 15, 1987)
Yet homosexual activists like Jeffrey Levi, formerly executive
director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, have stated on
numerous occasions their desire to see their lifestyle "affirmed" and
"recognized in the law." Levi's statement to the National Press Club
prior to gay extremists' 1987 "March on Washington" is highly
revealing in this regard:
"The demands of the March on Washington reflect what [our] agenda will
be in the years ahead. They include passage of the gay and lesbian
civil rights bill, an executive order dealing with that branch's
discriminatory policies -- from the military to security clearances;
passage of similar measures at the state level as well as repeal of
sodomy laws.
"But our agenda is becoming broader than that: we are no longer
seeking just a right to privacy and a right to protection from wrong.
We also have a right -- as heterosexual Americans have already -- to
see government and society affirm our lives.
"Now that is a statement that may make our liberal friends queasy. But
the truth is, until our relationships are recognized in the law --
through domestic partnership legislation or the definition of
beneficiary, for example -- until we are provided with the same
financial incentives in tax law and government programs to affirm our
family relationships, then we will not have achieved equality in
American society".
Self-styled "gaylegal" scholar William Eskridge reveals an even more
comprehensive perspective -- that of replacing American society's
currently operative norms to suit the "gay rights" agenda -- in a
recent article in one of America's most presitigious legal journals,
The Yale Law Review. No one can tag Eskridge's comments as
representing the "lunatic fringe" of the "gay rights" movement:
"...Bisexual, gay, and lesbian activists ought to deny the centrality
of heterosexuality, particularly as it has been developed around
rituals and taboos of manhood in American society. As Adrienne Rich
has suggested, bisexual, gay, and lesbian consciousness can undermine
claims that compulsory heterosexuality is the universal norm for our
society. Rich challenges Americans to rethink sexuality, not from the
assumption that everyone must be heterosexual if at all possible, but
from the assumption that people are polymorphously sexual, that there
is a `lesbian in us.'
"If Rich's point is true (and I believe it is), then the bisexual,
gay, and lesbian community should reject the image that we are a
subculture on the margins of mainstream heterosexual culture, for this
internalizes the traditional assumption that we are deviants from the
norm. Instead, legally as well as culturally, the norm is up for
grabs, and as a community we must contribute to the reformulation of
the norm.
(The Yale Law Journal, "A Social Constructionist Critique of Posner's
Sex and Reason: Steps Toward a Gaylegal Agenda," Volume 102, October
1992, Number 1, pp. 374-375)
In 1991, a California Superior Court ordered Shell Oil to pay $5.3
million for wrongful discharge of Jeffrey Collins, a homosexual
manager. Collins was terminated when his superiors discovered a memo
he wrote on an office computer advertising an off-the-job "safe sex"
party for gay men. The Court ruled that Collins' memo was "political
activity" protected under California Supreme Court precedent.
Julie Brienza, a former Supreme Court reporter for United Press
International, was terminated in 1991 when her supervisors learned
that Brienza used UPI's time, credentials and resources while writing
a free- lance story for a gay newspaper. Brienza has filed a $12
million lawsuit alleging "sexual orientation discrimination."
Pertinent in this regard is retired General William Weise's analysis
of a recent study of 102 cases during the period 1989-1992 of punitive
discharges of gays under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. 85% of
these discharges involved non- consenting victims. 63% of cases where
both participants were military members involved senior military
personnel victimizing subordinates. 49% involved homosexual
molestation of children by military personnel. Only 12% involved
off-base offenses (as reported in June 17, 1993 guest column,
"Goldwater currying favor with gay-rights lobby," Colorado Springs
Gazette Telegraph, pg. B-5, and "Army Investigation Release of Data on
Gay Crime," The Washington Times, June 9, 1993).


the Gay Rights community marched on Washington D.C. and made the
following demands:
Amend all federal Civil Rights Acts, other legislation and government
controls to prohibit discrimination in employment, housing, public
accommodations and public services.
A presidential order prohibiting the military from excluding for
reasons of their sexual orientation, persons who of their own volition
desire entrance into the Armed Services; and from issuing less than
fully-honorable discharges for homosexuality; and the upgrading to
fully honorable all such discharges previously issued, with
retroactive benefits.
A presidential order prohibiting discrimination in the federal civil
service because of sexual orientation, in hiring and promoting; and
prohibiting discrimination against homosexuals in security clearances.
Elimination of tax inequities [favoring traditional families].
Elimination of bars to the entry, immigration and naturalization of
homosexual aliens.
Federal encouragement and support for sex education courses, prepared
and taught by [homosexuals], presenting homosexuality as a valid,
healthy preference and . . . a viable alternative to heterosexuality.
Federal funding of aid programs of [homosexual] organizations designed
to alleviate the problems encountered by [homosexuals].
Repeal of all state laws prohibiting solicitation for private
voluntary sexual liaisons; and laws prohibiting prostitution, both
male and female.
[L]egislation prohibiting insurance companies and any other
state-regulated enterprises from discriminating because of sexual
orientation, in insurance and in bonding or any other prerequisite to
employment or control of one's personal domain.
[L]egislation so that child custody, adoption, visitation rights,
foster parenting, and the like shall not be denied because of sexual
orientation or marital status.
Repeal of all laws prohibiting transvestism and cross dressing.
Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent. (Hint: They
are coming for your children!)
Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number
of persons entering into a marriage unit; and the extension of legal
benefits to all persons who cohabit regardless of sex or numbers.
Here's mo
Not one Boy Scout has ever been heterosexually molested by a scout
leader! Gays make up only 3% of the U.S., yet they have assaulted half
of the sexually molested children. One-third of these hurt kids are
boys, and the vast majority of those are molested by men
(Psychological Reports, 1986, vol. 58, pp. 327-337).
Gay activists admit that these boys are almost all molested by men.
But they absurdly maintain that a man who penetrates a boy is not
necessarily committing an act of homosexual molestation. (They should
read a dictionary).
Finally, we are afraid of homosexual influences in the schools. They
encourage kids to have homosexual sex. Of course they deny this, but
they lie. Denver's Planned Parenthood Resource Center gives a brochure
to high school girls titled I Think I Might be a Lesbian. The brochure
states: "You may feel very scared at the thought of having sex with
another woman. That's OK. Lots of us do, especially if it?s our first
time." Again: They encourage kids to have homosexual sex.
Then Planned Parenthood gives step-by-step instructions to our girls.
"We can give each other pleasure by holding, kissing, hugging,
stroking, rubbing our bodies to together, inserting our fingers into
each other?s vaginas, stimulating each other's genitals with our hands
and our tongues." The pamphlet gets far more disgusting than this but
I will spare you. They, though, do not spare our children. Planned
Parenthood goes on to recommend to our nations daughters "Other
wonderful things lesbians do together."
I don't want these morally bankrupt people getting near my children.
As the Planned Parenthood News boldly stated, "Our goal is to be ready
as educators to help young people obtain sex satisfaction before
marriage."
Planned Parenthood is heavily influenced by its homosexual members, as
is the National Education Association. In 1996, the NEA passed
Resolution B-6 calling for promotion of homosexuality in all school
"observances and curricula."
Perhaps hoping to answer the criticism that public schools hardly
teach history anymore, now they are going to start teaching homosexual
history. That should teach parents to stop complaining.
Defending the sexual molestation of children in the nation's leading
gay magazine, Carl Maves wrote, "How many gay men, I wonder, would
have missed out on a valuable, liberating experience, one that
initiated them into their sexuality, if it weren't for so-called
molestation?" (See the full article titled, "Getting Over It" in The
Advocate, May 5, 1992, page 85.)

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Tell this to the jack-off in the White House, who entertains the Saudi
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The ACLU is out to destroy Jews like you, Hairball:

Are you competing with Karen of Oz for the ignorant puke of the month
award?

The ACLU defends the right to distribute child pornography

Carl Maves wrote, "How many gay men, I wonder, would have missed out
on a valuable, liberating experience, one that initiated them into
their sexuality, if it weren't for so-called molestation?" (See the
full article titled, "Getting Over It" in The Advocate, page 85.)
The slogan for NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association, is
"Sex by eight or it's too late," meaning not eight p.m., but eight
years old. Time Magazine is always understanding of homosexual crime.
They printed a puff image piece on Peter Melzer, the editor of
NAMBLA's journal. In the article For the Love of Kids (Nov. 1, 93,
page 51) the ACLU defended this pervert arguing that if we condemn
"NAMBLA today, who is it tomorrow?" Melzer is also a New York City
public school teacher (surprised?). He published an article In Praise
of the Penises, on "how to make that special boy feel good." As to a
police report on Melzer?s alleged sex with a Filipino boy, according
to Time, there is no hard evidence that he abused this "or any other
boy in the U.S." Yeah, right.
The homosexuals chanted during their 1993 march on Washington, "Ten
percent is not enough! Recruit, recruit, recruit!" They want my
children. They want your children.
Examine the record of those who defend homosexual adoption of
children. Jim Joy, the executive director of Colorado?s ACLU, admitted
during a PBS televised debate that the written national policy of the
ACLU defends the right to distribute child pornography. As with many
leading voices, the ACLU?s opposition of child abuse is hypocrisy.
Every such video sold of a thirteen-year-old sexually exploits the
child again. So the ACLU, known to tolerate child abuse, sells
children out again by advocating their adoption by homosexuals.
Homosexual leaders blatantly voice tolerance for child sex abuse. A
prominent gay magazine, Out, quoted Damien Martin, the head of New
York's homosexual Harvey Milk High School, as saying, "No kid has ever
been hurt by [oral sex]" in September, 1994 on page 73. The leading
gay publication, The Advocate, in an article titled Getting Over It
pondered on May 5, 1992 about how many boys "would have missed out on
a valuable, liberating experience - one that initiated them into their
sexuality - if it weren?t for so-called molestation?"
Time magazine also lacks zero tolerance for homosexual child abusers.
They quoted the ACLU in defense of an aggressive advocate of
pedophilia. NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association exists
to promote homosexual sex with young boys. Leading gay-pride
organizers in New York and San Francisco allowed NAMBLA to march
undisguised in their parades repeatedly during the last two decades. A
Time article grotesquely titled For the Love of Kids in November, 1993
quoted the ACLU defending a New York City teacher, Peter Melzer who
edits the NAMBLA journal. Melzer published an article In Praise of the
Penises, on "how to make that special boy feel good." As to the police
report on Melzer's alleged sex with a Filipino boy, Time assured its
readers, there is no hard evidence that he abused this "or any other
boy in the U.S." In the U.S.
The media defends homosexuals who want to adopt children, but it also
supports homosexuals who openly advocate sex with kids. The national
media warmly eulogized Alan Ginsburg this past spring conveniently
ignoring this homosexual poet?s public endorsement of NAMBLA. In
Denver, a convicted pedophile, who says today he controls his
longings, is running for Denver School Board with the support of many
in the homosexual community. Long-time gay activist David Thorstad,
founding member of the Coalition for Lesbian and Gay Rights and former
president of the New York Gay Activists Alliance loudly protested when
in 1993 the March on Washington organizers broke with tradition and
excluded pedophiles like NAMBLA. With all the attention, they feared
the media would expose the homosexual acceptance of pedophilia. Talk
about paranoia.
The nation's largest gay publicist, Alyson Publications of Boston,
which distributes Daddy?s Roommate and other homosexual books for
kids, published Paedophilia: The Radical Case, hundreds of pages of
why and how seven year old boys should be brought to climax.
Another Alyson book, The Age Taboo on page 144 insists: "Boy-lovers...
are not child molesters. The child abusers are... parents who force
their staid morality onto the young people in their custody."
A Florida judge recently ruled unconstitutional their age-of-consent
law, following northern European nations in lowering the age at which
dirty old men can legally set their sights on boys. Liberal ideas have
taken their expected course with lawyers arguing that since
adolescents have the right over their own bodies regardless of what
parents or legislators think, then they can elect sex whenever and
with whomever they choose, with age discrimination ultimately
unenforceable.
America's newspapers are their silent partners. Those who are soft on
child sex, or even those boldly endorsing it, have nothing to fear
from the mainstream media. Partly because of the media's silence, the
Clinton administration voted to give ILGA, the International Lesbian
and Gay Association consulting status at the United Nations even
though NAMBLA was a full and active member of that organization, even
appearing on its letterhead. Imagine, professed pedophiles advising on
international child law. NAMBLA remained at the UN until the outcry of
the religious right ousted them.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Thus the broadly overlapping groups, the homosexual community and the
open pedophiles, are longtime allies. Both groups work to break down
previously unquestioned sexual standards. The national Gay Rights
Platform of 1972 called for the repeal of all age-of-consent laws. Gay
activist Andy Humm bragged of his influence over the New York City
Council in the New York Native, August, 1983 and wrote that, "No one
should be denied basic civil rights because of his or her orientation,
whether the person be homosexual, heterosexual, transsexual,
transvestite, pedophile, sadist, masochist, asexual; whatever one can
imagine."
We are not saying that gays will sexually molest a child. We are
saying that homosexuals have long given aid and comfort to pedophiles,
publicly. And we are saying that the media and other defenders of
homosexuals are the silent partners of those who work toward the day
when children are a sex commodity. The media rejects but intuitively
fears the connection between child molestation and homosexuality. It
therefore suppresses reports of the torrent of public advocacy for gay
pedophilia. Instead, the media wears out the same worn cliché that
homosexuals are no more likely to molest children than heterosexuals.
On homosexual initiation, sex researchers Masters and Johnson wrote in
Human Sexual Inadequacy that "Recruitment usually was accomplished by
an older male, frequently in his twenties, but occasionally men in
their thirties were the initiators: the teenager was left with the
concept that whether or not he continued as an active homosexual, he
would always be homophile-oriented."
Homosexuals do reproduce sexually, by molesting children. According to
a 1994 Out article titled "The Men From the Boys," the director of a
home for runaway youth admits that between 14 and 16 years of age, he
"probably had sex with well over a thousand people, most of them much
older than myself." This boy hardly met a homosexual adult who would
not have sex with him.
Of Canadians imprisoned for pedophilia, a 1991 report reveals that 91
percent of molesters of non-familial boys admitted to no lifetime
sexual contact other than homosexual according to Volume 6, page 323
of the Journal of Interpersonal Violence. In America, about one third
of the children sexually molested are boys, and about ninety percent
of them are hurt by men. The refereed scientific journal,
Psychological Reports in 1986 presented research in Volume 58 starting
on page 327 showing that homosexuals commit a far greater percentage
of child sex crimes than demographics alone account for.
Every man molesting a boy is committing a homosexual act. Young boys
do not excite straight men. To let a homosexual make the point in his
own words, the San Francisco Sentinel published a letter on March 26,
1992 headlined, "No Place for Homo-Homophobia" with the common
admission that, "The love between men and boys is at the foundation of
homosexuality. For the gay community to imply that boy-love is not
homosexual love is ridiculous." Activist pedophiles easily find media
outlets.
Activists seeking special advantages for gays have recently admitted
that "Certainly it is true that `homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual
orientation' is not equivalent to racial minority status..."
(testimony of gay activist Robin Miller, before the Colorado State
Elections/ Licensing Committee, September 19, 1991, emphasis added).
They also say they consider the argument that divergent sexual
behavior or alleged desire doesn't equal ethnicity as "irrelevant" to
discussion of the issue.
Writing in the March 22, 1994 issue of the gay publication The
Advocate, gay business columnist Ed Mickens admits: "Today, it's rare
that anyone gets fired just for being gay." As syndicated columnist
Don Feder points out: "Mickens should know. He's the author of `The
100 Best Companies For Gay Men And Lesbians,' wherein are listed
corporate giants with `gay-friendly policies,' including training
programs that teach `sensitivity' on homosexual issues... A
conscientious Christian or Jew is far more likely to feel
uncomfortable in the politically correct workplace of the '90s than
the average homosexual" ("Gay-rights lobby stakes hopes on House
gambit," Colorado Springs Gazette Telegraph, June 28, 1994, p. B5).
Self-identified lesbian writer Donna Minkowitz comments on the
"innateness" question in a recent Advocate article, entitled "Recruit,
recruit, recruit!": "Remember that most of the line about homosex
being one's nature, not a choice, was articulated as a response to
brutal repression. `It's not our fault!' gay activists began to
declaim a century ago, when queers first began to organize in Germany
and England. `We didn't choose this, so don't punish us for it!' One
hundred years later, it's time for us to abandon this defensive
posture and walk upright on the earth. Maybe you didn't choose to be
gay -- that's fine. But I did" (December 29, 1992).
When homosexual author James Spada, in The Spada Report, a survey of
homosexual attitudes and behavior (New American Library, 1979), asked
homosexual subjects "Have you ever had your rights denied you because
you are gay?" -- 72.1% of his respondents answered "No" and an
additional 10% gave no answer or said they "didn't know."
Gay militants Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen express clearly their
contempt for an American public they are confident they can "convert"
to acceptance and subsidy of the gay extremist agenda: "...By
conversion we actually mean something more profoundly threatening to
the American way of life. We mean conversion of the average American's
emotions, mind and will, through a planned psychological attack. We
mean `subverting' the mechanism of prejudice to our own ends -- using
the very process that made America hate us to turn their hatred into
warm regard -- whether they like it or not" (After the Ball, op. cit.,
pp. 153-154).
The State of Hawaii recently passed S.B. No. 1811, legislation giving
protected class status to "sexual orientation." In answer to an
inquiry regarding the bill's effects on church hiring, Attorney
General Warren Price wrote: " . . . Non-sectarian employees of the
church, church-sponsored activities or programs are not exempt. This
would include secretaries, janitors, gardeners, teachers, etc."
[emphasis added]
"Conservative Presbyterians failed to gain exemption from a gay rights
provision in New Jersey's anti-discrimination laws [to which "sexual
orientation" has recently been added]. The 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of
Appeals denied a request from the state presbytery of the Orthodox
Presbyterian Church for an injunction barring the state from enforcing
[a] gay and lesbian civil rights provision against it. The OPC had
argued that its First Amendment freedom would be violated if it were
forced to hire or retain homosexual employees" (PCA Bulletin
Supplement, April, 1993).
In fact, in Boulder, Colorado today, under a "gay rights" ordinance,
apartment dwellers and dorm-residing college students are being told
they are legally prohibited from asking if a prospective roommate is
gay. Furthermore, if they've been lied to and want to change
roommates, the financial burden is on them.
Wisconsin's former Governor Lee Sherman Dreyfus signed into law that
State's bill granting protected class status to "sexual orientation."
He was assured that the bill would have no effect on religious
institutions like the 40-year-old Rawhide Boys' Ranch, a home for
troubled boys. Shortly after Dreyfus left office, two male homosexuals
appeared at the Ranch, demanding to be hired as boys' counselors.
Dreyfus later wrote the bill's supporters, expressing his sense of
betrayal at the homosexual community's breach of promise. Evidence has
recently surfaced indicating that not only was the provocative action
Dreyfus complained of deliberate, it was planned by the Wisconsin
Governor's Council on Lesbian and Gay Issues. In minutes from an
October 19, 1985, meeting of that Council, under the heading
"RAWHIDE," we read: "Jim Thideman [one of eight members present] has
asked some people to apply for a job [at Rawhide] and pursue filing a
discrimination report with ERD upon refusal of employment, assuming it
will be that clear cut. Kathleen Nichols [another Council member]
reported that Char McLaughlan is acquainted with a lesbian with a son
at Rawhide who has been refused family counseling sessions if
accompanied by her lover. Follow-up is necessary to see if this woman
would be willing to file a complaint." According to sources at
Rawhide, heading off these conspiratorial plans cost in excess of
$30,000. Relief only came through passage of additional legislation
that exempted religious institutions like Rawhide. But Rawhide still
has outstanding debts remaining from this episode. Under legislation
granting special minority status to gays, we can expect a plethora of
similar nuisance suits and test cases to clog our legal system and
bleed defendants dry financially.
Homosexual activists frequently express deep hostility to traditional,
Judeo- Christian moral beliefs and values. Writings by gay activists
show contempt for and determination to do away with the institution of
the nuclear family. Gay social agendas detailed in Teal's The Gay
Militants, Jay and Young's Out of the Closets and Tobin and Wicker's
The Gay Crusaders specify that:
"The family as we know it be abolished... That homosexuals be placed
in positions of caregivers and permitted to become teachers, clergy,
counselors, therapists and social workers. That they be allowed to
participate in the rearing and education of children... That children
be placed in communal care away from their parents, with boys and
girls reared the same and cared for by adults who are under the
direction of lesbian women... That children should be reared in a
unisex role", etc. (as reported in Gay Is Not Good, pp. 104, 105,
Frank M. duMas, Nashville, TN, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1979).
Gay activist Michael Swift echoed the frequent tone of such diatribes,
writing: "[The family] is a spawning ground of lies, betrayals,
mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence -- and will be abolished. The
family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must
be eliminated" (Gay Community News, Feb. 15, 1987)
Yet homosexual activists like Jeffrey Levi, formerly executive
director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, have stated on
numerous occasions their desire to see their lifestyle "affirmed" and
"recognized in the law." Levi's statement to the National Press Club
prior to gay extremists' 1987 "March on Washington" is highly
revealing in this regard:
"The demands of the March on Washington reflect what [our] agenda will
be in the years ahead. They include passage of the gay and lesbian
civil rights bill, an executive order dealing with that branch's
discriminatory policies -- from the military to security clearances;
passage of similar measures at the state level as well as repeal of
sodomy laws.
"But our agenda is becoming broader than that: we are no longer
seeking just a right to privacy and a right to protection from wrong.
We also have a right -- as heterosexual Americans have already -- to
see government and society affirm our lives.
"Now that is a statement that may make our liberal friends queasy. But
the truth is, until our relationships are recognized in the law --
through domestic partnership legislation or the definition of
beneficiary, for example -- until we are provided with the same
financial incentives in tax law and government programs to affirm our
family relationships, then we will not have achieved equality in
American society".
Self-styled "gaylegal" scholar William Eskridge reveals an even more
comprehensive perspective -- that of replacing American society's
currently operative norms to suit the "gay rights" agenda -- in a
recent article in one of America's most presitigious legal journals,
The Yale Law Review. No one can tag Eskridge's comments as
representing the "lunatic fringe" of the "gay rights" movement:
"...Bisexual, gay, and lesbian activists ought to deny the centrality
of heterosexuality, particularly as it has been developed around
rituals and taboos of manhood in American society. As Adrienne Rich
has suggested, bisexual, gay, and lesbian consciousness can undermine
claims that compulsory heterosexuality is the universal norm for our
society. Rich challenges Americans to rethink sexuality, not from the
assumption that everyone must be heterosexual if at all possible, but
from the assumption that people are polymorphously sexual, that there
is a `lesbian in us.'
"If Rich's point is true (and I believe it is), then the bisexual,
gay, and lesbian community should reject the image that we are a
subculture on the margins of mainstream heterosexual culture, for this
internalizes the traditional assumption that we are deviants from the
norm. Instead, legally as well as culturally, the norm is up for
grabs, and as a community we must contribute to the reformulation of
the norm.
(The Yale Law Journal, "A Social Constructionist Critique of Posner's
Sex and Reason: Steps Toward a Gaylegal Agenda," Volume 102, October
1992, Number 1, pp. 374-375)
In 1991, a California Superior Court ordered Shell Oil to pay $5.3
million for wrongful discharge of Jeffrey Collins, a homosexual
manager. Collins was terminated when his superiors discovered a memo
he wrote on an office computer advertising an off-the-job "safe sex"
party for gay men. The Court ruled that Collins' memo was "political
activity" protected under California Supreme Court precedent.
Julie Brienza, a former Supreme Court reporter for United Press
International, was terminated in 1991 when her supervisors learned
that Brienza used UPI's time, credentials and resources while writing
a free- lance story for a gay newspaper. Brienza has filed a $12
million lawsuit alleging "sexual orientation discrimination."
Pertinent in this regard is retired General William Weise's analysis
of a recent study of 102 cases during the period 1989-1992 of punitive
discharges of gays under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. 85% of
these discharges involved non- consenting victims. 63% of cases where
both participants were military members involved senior military
personnel victimizing subordinates. 49% involved homosexual
molestation of children by military personnel. Only 12% involved
off-base offenses (as reported in June 17, 1993 guest column,
"Goldwater currying favor with gay-rights lobby," Colorado Springs
Gazette Telegraph, pg. B-5, and "Army Investigation Release of Data on
Gay Crime," The Washington Times, June 9, 1993).


the Gay Rights community marched on Washington D.C. and made the
following demands:
Amend all federal Civil Rights Acts, other legislation and government
controls to prohibit discrimination in employment, housing, public
accommodations and public services.
A presidential order prohibiting the military from excluding for
reasons of their sexual orientation, persons who of their own volition
desire entrance into the Armed Services; and from issuing less than
fully-honorable discharges for homosexuality; and the upgrading to
fully honorable all such discharges previously issued, with
retroactive benefits.
A presidential order prohibiting discrimination in the federal civil
service because of sexual orientation, in hiring and promoting; and
prohibiting discrimination against homosexuals in security clearances.
Elimination of tax inequities [favoring traditional families].
Elimination of bars to the entry, immigration and naturalization of
homosexual aliens.
Federal encouragement and support for sex education courses, prepared
and taught by [homosexuals], presenting homosexuality as a valid,
healthy preference and . . . a viable alternative to heterosexuality.
Federal funding of aid programs of [homosexual] organizations designed
to alleviate the problems encountered by [homosexuals].
Repeal of all state laws prohibiting solicitation for private
voluntary sexual liaisons; and laws prohibiting prostitution, both
male and female.
[L]egislation prohibiting insurance companies and any other
state-regulated enterprises from discriminating because of sexual
orientation, in insurance and in bonding or any other prerequisite to
employment or control of one's personal domain.
[L]egislation so that child custody, adoption, visitation rights,
foster parenting, and the like shall not be denied because of sexual
orientation or marital status.
Repeal of all laws prohibiting transvestism and cross dressing.
Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent. (Hint: They
are coming for your children!)
Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number
of persons entering into a marriage unit; and the extension of legal
benefits to all persons who cohabit regardless of sex or numbers.
Here's mo
Not one Boy Scout has ever been heterosexually molested by a scout
leader! Gays make up only 3% of the U.S., yet they have assaulted half
of the sexually molested children. One-third of these hurt kids are
boys, and the vast majority of those are molested by men
(Psychological Reports, 1986, vol. 58, pp. 327-337).
Gay activists admit that these boys are almost all molested by men.
But they absurdly maintain that a man who penetrates a boy is not
necessarily committing an act of homosexual molestation. (They should
read a dictionary).
Finally, we are afraid of homosexual influences in the schools. They
encourage kids to have homosexual sex. Of course they deny this, but
they lie. Denver's Planned Parenthood Resource Center gives a brochure
to high school girls titled I Think I Might be a Lesbian. The brochure
states: "You may feel very scared at the thought of having sex with
another woman. That's OK. Lots of us do, especially if it?s our first
time." Again: They encourage kids to have homosexual sex.
Then Planned Parenthood gives step-by-step instructions to our girls.
"We can give each other pleasure by holding, kissing, hugging,
stroking, rubbing our bodies to together, inserting our fingers into
each other?s vaginas, stimulating each other's genitals with our hands
and our tongues." The pamphlet gets far more disgusting than this but
I will spare you. They, though, do not spare our children. Planned
Parenthood goes on to recommend to our nations daughters "Other
wonderful things lesbians do together."
I don't want these morally bankrupt people getting near my children.
As the Planned Parenthood News boldly stated, "Our goal is to be ready
as educators to help young people obtain sex satisfaction before
marriage."
Planned Parenthood is heavily influenced by its homosexual members, as
is the National Education Association. In 1996, the NEA passed
Resolution B-6 calling for promotion of homosexuality in all school
"observances and curricula."
Perhaps hoping to answer the criticism that public schools hardly
teach history anymore, now they are going to start teaching homosexual
history. That should teach parents to stop complaining.
Defending the sexual molestation of children in the nation's leading
gay magazine, Carl Maves wrote, "How many gay men, I wonder, would
have missed out on a valuable, liberating experience, one that
initiated them into their sexuality, if it weren't for so-called
molestation?" (See the full article titled, "Getting Over It" in The
Advocate, May 5, 1992, page 85.)

In article ,
says...
jps wrote in message . ..
In article ,
says...
Harry Krause wrote in message ...

Tell this to the jack-off in the White House, who entertains the Saudi
royal family at his ersatz ranch in Texas.


The ACLU is out to destroy Jews like you, Hairball:

Are you competing with Karen of Oz for the ignorant puke of the month
award?

The ACLU defends the right to distribute child pornography

I get it, you are Karen of Oz. It's not fair to be a shill for your own
pukehood.

Just Pure ****

Bob

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
Harry Krause wrote in message
...

Tell this to the jack-off in the White House, who entertains the Saudi
royal family at his ersatz ranch in Texas.


The ACLU is out to destroy Jews like you, Hairball:

Are you competing with Karen of Oz for the ignorant puke of the month
award?

In article ,
says...

jps wrote:
In article ,
says...

Harry Krause wrote in message ...


Tell this to the jack-off in the White House, who entertains the Saudi
royal family at his ersatz ranch in Texas.


The ACLU is out to destroy Jews like you, Hairball:


Are you competing with Karen of Oz for the ignorant puke of the month
award?


Now now jps I'm all for free competition you know that, & well you are
below a dog, so I guess you're still the underdog??

Give it up you lefty simpletons, really just go away now you're
finished & have been since afghanistan was a cake walk, but since then
Iraq was a doddle, & the others? Iran, Libya & Nth Korea?? they just
surrendered in the face of a strong US leader at last!!! Hooly dooly all
you tax payers' dollar bludgers a re so totally buggered it doesn't matter.

You're on your way to the bottom so instead of just pretending it'll
all be OK, at least put on a life jacket or be getting the life boats
ready, because we're coming to get you in the second term to stop you
stealing from the tax payers dollar.


The wind in the wires made a tattle tale sound

Then saddam's capture broke over the railing

& everyman knew even liar Harry did too

it's the witch of November come wailing.



K


I try to keep a little on topic material if possible so .....

Here's where this liar works, the lowest of the low, a spruiker
for a union rip off, he works in the "PR" dept of a union, that about
tells it all

PR Contacts

For media inquiries, please contact the individual listed below:

Harry Krause
ULLICO Inc.
(202) 682-7957



Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old
memories:-)

But if I may?? before you read; take a look at these passages
from an article about the bent union rip off, who rip off other
unionists, (honour among .......???)

ULLICO
Union Pension-Owned Company Set to Lose $20-$30 Million
Its stock windfall from the bankrupt Global Crossing now gone,
Georgine, former head of the AFL-CIO's Bldg. &
Construction Trades Dept., blamed chief financial officer John Grelle for
the losses. Days later, Grelle resigned in protest, blasting
Georgine for
not selling the company jet, which costs $3 million a year.

N.B. Now did you see that!!!!!??? Harry as you'll see below
"claims" his wife has a corporate jet!!!! He's making these stories up
as the jealous junior mail person in the PR dept!!!!

There was no indication if Grelle also called on Georgine and other union
boss directors of Ullico to return the more than $6 million they made in
inside deals of Ullico stock in 2000 and 2001. In the late 90s,
Ullico was
able to buy Global Crossing stock at its initial public offering (IPO)
price. By 1999, a $7.6 million investment had mushroomed to $335
million.
After pricing its own stock at a set $25 per share, Ullico directors
changed
the rules, setting a new price at the beginning of each year.

So these rip offs were raking it in at the expense of the workers
in many unions & I'll suggest that the fantasy boats that Harry claims
are HIS OWN are in fact the play things of the execs of the insurance
CO, I also suggest that's his only involvement is as the boat boy for
his union bosses!!!


Global
Crossing spiraled toward bankruptcy, and Ullico's stock took a
tumble, the
Ullico directors who had bought their stock at $54 a share were given two
opportunities to sell it back, the first time for $146 a share, the
second
time for $75. As Georgine and the other Ullico officials made $6.7
million
in profits, the union pension funds that own Ullico could not take
advantage
of the same deal.

And clearly they have a very well practiced liar in the PR dept
mail room to help post out those bogus spin releases:-)



[New York Times 3/28/03]

Anyway back to the lies:-)





Just to make your day, not only was
I a civilian employee in SE Asia, it was in Vietnam, it was
during the
war against Vietnam, I did see some horrific sights and I was
working at
the time for a U.S. general. Is that straightforward enough for you,
John, or is your amoeba still chasing your synapse


I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another
writer for my staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and
in the Wash Post.




I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and
business
booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to
hire a
production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the
state of the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat
Republicrap
candidates.


I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another
writer for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash
Post.












We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health
insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a
401k,
and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a
share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our
employees
pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but
that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two
weeks
vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third
year. In
addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on
Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20
days
of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company
administering
pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees.
Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model,
except, of
course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are
not-for-profit enterprises.
How do these compare to the bennies at your shop?

Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12
paid
holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every
year. Are
they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to
bankruptcy.

Boy...and you had me going there for a minute.

Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our
business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our
business always goes up in a major election year.
You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because
Bush is
such a total failure.


The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless
those
days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no
one as
yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're
there
in case they're needed.


Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD.

The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an
employe's
salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of
purchasing
an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic
benefit
maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is
increased to
$10,000 per month.





Sure. I'm in the market for a new marine diesel of 420-480 shp. I'm
especially
interested in Volvo's TAMD74P EDC, because Volvo has had a lot of
experience
with electronic controls in that size diesel. I've dismissed
getting a Cat 3208
TA because the technology is so old and because a couple of
commercial fishermen
I know who have had 3208's have, basically, burned them out.




Thanks. Yes, Cummins is talked about favorably by some of the guys
I've been
talking to. Most of them have had experience with Cats, especially
the 3208, and
in recent years some have moved to Volvos.

These are commercial fishermen, mostly, running hulls somewhat
similar to what
we're doing.



No, the diesel is for a new boat we're having built.




Hmmm. A fishing/day cruising boat with some range, nice speed, a
real soft ride,
offshore capabilities and sleeping/full head(with standup shower
enclosure)/galley accommodations. Fiberglass, although the
architect did try to
convince me to go with cold-molded wood, which I do like.
More specifically, I suppose, a lobsta' boat, sort of, if that
brings up a
mental image for you.




She'll measure 36' sans a bowsprit x a little more than 12' in beam.
The hull
buttom is built down to the keel. There are no chines.
The hull is efficient at displacement and planing speeds. According
to the hull
builder, if we keep the weight within certain limits, we'll achieve
a WOT of
about 37-38 mph, and a very easy cruise of 30-32 mph on a single
diesel of about
420-450 hp. She'll cruise slow and economically, too.
We expect a very smooooooooooth riding boat, able to take on a big
headsea at a
pretty good clip without beating up the folks inside.
Fitting out a boat like this is going to be an interesting and
stimulating
experience. Basically, we get to spec everything and we end up with
a custom
boat

It's Lou Codega. He's a widely known and respected naval
architect. He
does Regulator's hulls, too. He's done the Navigator 37. I
believe he's
also done designs for Carolina Classic.

Cummins faxed me a bunch of computer generated data today on engine
choices for

the new boat.

On the 36-footer, 16,000 pounds displacement:

QSM11 635 hp, 36.3 mph WOT, 32.1 mph at sustained cruise, marine
gear ratio of
1.77, turning a four blade 26x35 prop on a 2.50 inch Aquamet 22
shaft. Too much
engine.

QSM11 535 hp at 2300 rpm, 33.3 mph WOT, 29.5 mph at sustained
cruise of 2100
rpm, same gear ratio, 24x34 prop. Right on the money.

6CTA8.3 450 hp, 30.6 mph WOT, 27.5 mph at sustained cruise, 2.00:1
gear ratio,
24x31 four blade prop on Aquamet 22 2" shaft.

Cummins tells me its program is "about 8% too conservative."

Looks like the QSM11 535 will be the right engine. Its fuel use is
only a little
more than the 450's and a lot less than the 635 hp engine. What I
want is a 30
mph sustained cruise speed, and 535 hp will do it. Cummins also
figured the boat
at 1000 pounds heavier than our target, which is probably the
smart thing to do.
Besides, the QSM is a new, all computerized design.


The hull form is what got to me. The boat has a substantial keel
and it is a
built-down keel, right to its bottom, not just "tacked" on. It
backs down
beautifully. And it seems to roll one heck of a lot less in a beam
sea than the
semi-vee 36 footers I've been on, and especially some large deep
vee fishing
boats of about the same size its been my pleasure to fish aboard. I
believe it
is a function of the keel and the really low center of gravity.
Amazing, for a
boat that is round bilged and fairly flat under the transom. No
chines. Just
splash rails forward and aft. A soft, soft ride...which is what I
wanted.







Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted);

I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats,
depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season.
Everything was
sold...every
cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started.
For near
full-retail, too.


He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a
syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had
been a
solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they
gave him
great rates.



As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president
in my memory,
and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife),
Kennedy,
Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and
participated in
deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more
important than who
was giving them blow jobs.

Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except
Bush, and I
worked once for his father.



My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would
be hit by
a mild hurricane. No
one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats
sunk.
Preferably early in July.


We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold
clear, a
broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued
Florida
lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two
breadwinners
hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary
assignments
they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after
being
romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what
we paid
for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full
years. So,
we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose
any, either.
The proceeds were prudently invested.

The PWC was won as
a prize in a raffle.



Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of
his office?
Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?"
Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one
or two















"around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These
were sold
as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and
run.
Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if
he wanted
it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because
my dad's
main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with
lots of
manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In
those days,
workers at these places could fix anything.


Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner.
But he still
called bumpers bumpers.
--



Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to
entice him
into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small
boat
dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he
was the
*exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal
county. He
also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred
to them
as "jerry-built."


From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard
motors a
year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high
percentage of *all*
outboards sold in his home state for those years.


This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating
back to
right after
the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his
warehouse, I found
wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new
1949
Evinrude 8015
50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from
Evinrude for
winning some
outboard stock utility or hydroplane race.

I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the
shop as head
mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is
still
brand-new. I
have no idea who might own it now.



He also built
boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and
all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and
I've
just been an occasional boat owner.


Besides, I worked off and on in the
boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm
knee-deep in boat heritage.


Oh,
and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it
wasn't for
what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam
and came
back in body bags.


During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings
for the
Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use
them on
smaller
landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole
Evinrude
himself.
My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie
star or
singer...I forgot which. Maybe both.



Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under your
command? I have.


My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in
winter in
a 22'
boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the
fuel. Got a
"fireboat" welcome in NYC.




Here are some:

Hatteras 43' sportfish
Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop
Morgan 33
O'Day 30
Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
Century Coronado
Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze.
Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17
footers with various
Evinrudes
Lighting class sailboat
Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat.
Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with
spit)
Alcort Sunfish
Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
Guaranteed 60
mph. In the late 1950's.
Skimmar brand skiff
Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a
bowrider)
Dyer Dhow
Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass
Penn Yan runabouts. Wood.
Old Town wood and canvas canoe
Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe



Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft.
Leonard Wood to
Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About
halfway home it
started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY
SINGLE
electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there
was a large
popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught
fire. I
pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire,
removed my
license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old
MGA is still
there.

Sure was a pretty little car.


Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one
example of
my professional writings on building structure and the effects
on it of
hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any
of these
in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching,
photographing and writing these reports, they were quite
accurate,
topical and well-received by their intended audiences.


A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore
bait, tackle

and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These
boats were not
used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the
liners that
also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of
the hulls. A
guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to
him by
manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the
same reasons
-liner and then hull fractures.















Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he
even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once
claiming it was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although
I doubt it, we don't like nor tolerate misogynists for long.

Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top
stories over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend
he's the centre of attention, but as with his boat claims &
other crap, there's never once been even a shred of
independently verifiable material.

After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most
frightening, I do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this
"bride" story is his delusional appropriation of his, probably
court ordered, treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he
was under lock & key for what?? over a year??? a sexual deviant
maybe??), have a read of just a small part of his BS & make up
your own mind, it's all about free choice:-)


1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the
end of
"bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may.

2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am
entitled to
break them in exercise of my license.

3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands
lovingly
referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant.

4. She's 20 years younger than I am.



Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political"
consulting
jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and
defeat a
couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each
of the
races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area
think I
actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a
contract
that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride
also was
offered a job up here that represented a significant
professional career
move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the
rest of
it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax
(well,
really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last
summer
and my bride just returned from a business trip there.

I swear this is true.


Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego
Wednesday and
hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in
Salina,
Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of
Derby.

So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the
hell did
you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of
water...?"

Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you
don't own
a boat?
And why are you so crabby?
Maybe these two factors are related?



One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in
her car
every day, but she doesn't own it.

I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I
questioned your
wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and
suddenly you
turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it.

No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center
console with,
if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in
January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got
out to
the Gulf Stream.


Bride and I caught and released:

1 white marlin
12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty
fish.
Assorted red snappers
1 amberjack
2 jack crevalle jacks
1 snook
Nondescript sharks

Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state
hospital for forensic patients?
Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county
facility for
substance abusers?
Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed
facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which
approximately
half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol?
Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner
practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are
seeking help
for substance abuse problems?


Licensed psychotherapist
Screening as to character and background for each degree earned
On-going screening by faculty while in educational system
Interviews and screenings for required years of internships,
plus, at the same
time, supervision by a licensed professional.
Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed
therapist for two years
of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure
Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by
licensed
practitioners
Four hour written examination on state laws
Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and
practice

My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final
internship was as a
psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric
hospital where, on a
daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average
soldier.

My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida
600-bed state
mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated
numerous
sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such
"treatment"
is part of being in the mental health professions.


You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an
hour,
until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners
overcome their
feelings of boatable inadequacy.


She is a licensed, practicing
psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she
sees each
day. Which can be taken any way one likes.


1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha
know? And much of
Freud is passe.

My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago.

They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to
round-up
Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take
their own
version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade.


1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office.

2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not
one of
mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did*
belong to an
after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her
most
mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were
court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every
call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my
wife had
the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone
number of
every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making
the call
tried to block his number.

Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal
people,
they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that
they are
planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the
threat is
real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and
perhaps the
police.

In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has
never
received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill
patient or
court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass
of this
newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she
received a
number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls.
These were
mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them
BECAUSE
(duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it.
Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works
closely
because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are
investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and*
authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia,
California and
Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have
been
able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of
course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages.
Several
suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the
outcome of
all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor
are
either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would
make
such calls.


The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious
calls came in
from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to
trace. The local
police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and
when it was
discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got
involved. At
least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I
can tell, he
has not posted here again

K Smith wrote in message news:bu2v6e$cd75i$1@ID-


Give it up you lefty simpletons, really just go away now you're
finished & have been since afghanistan was a cake walk, but since then
Iraq was a doddle, & the others?

Afghanistan a cake walk? Do you realize, that we are still there,
still having trouble, still don't have binLaden (as Bush promised),
the insurgents are on the rise again, and the country is going back to
the war lords?

Iraq a "doodle"? Do you understand that we are still there, still
loosing young American men there, that more and more the Iraqis are
finding it unpalatable that we are taking over their country, that
daily there are attacks on our troops, that Iraqis are getting more
and more dissentive because we won't allow them to govern ourselves?

In the case of both of the above, do you have any idea how much this
idiocy has cost the American taxpayers? A cakewalk?



Iran, Libya & Nth Korea?? they just
surrendered in the face of a strong US leader at last!!! Hooly dooly all
you tax payers' dollar bludgers a re so totally buggered it doesn't matter.

When did these countries "surrender" to us?

You're on your way to the bottom so instead of just pretending it'll
all be OK, at least put on a life jacket or be getting the life boats
ready, because we're coming to get you in the second term to stop you
stealing from the tax payers dollar.

There are no taxpayer's dollars to steal, Bush has already done that
to pay for his wars.

it's the witch of November come wailing.

I can't wait!