rick says:
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Yet you bypass the whole gist of the article, there are wait
times across Canada. Otherwise, why the hand wringing over it?
Besides, it was written for a(gasp) american Foundation...
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No. The gist of the article is that the media hype about wait times is
exaggerated. Hence the comment about skewed statistics, etc. The entire
article says pretty much everything KMAN has been saying.

NOTE: "very long waits are the exception"

NOTE: "Very few patients who felt waits were "too long" wanted to see
additional public funds used to reduce wait times"

And, central to their argument, because they preface the article with
it, is the notion that wait lists and wait times are difficult to
define.

And I didn't bother citing the condemnation they have of the American
system because, as you keep saying, you're certanly no advocate for the
market system in health care either.

frtzw906

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rick says:
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Yet you bypass the whole gist of the article, there are wait
times across Canada. Otherwise, why the hand wringing over it?
Besides, it was written for a(gasp) american Foundation...
==============

No. The gist of the article is that the media hype about wait
times is
exaggerated. Hence the comment about skewed statistics, etc.
The entire
article says pretty much everything KMAN has been saying.

NOTE: "very long waits are the exception"
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That wasn't the discussion, now was it? Nice strawman.



NOTE: "Very few patients who felt waits were "too long" wanted
to see
additional public funds used to reduce wait times"

And, central to their argument, because they preface the
article with
it, is the notion that wait lists and wait times are difficult
to
define.

And I didn't bother citing the condemnation they have of the
American
system because, as you keep saying, you're certanly no advocate
for the
market system in health care either.
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So now we have the truth about why you are so eager to embrace
this report. It neglects to find, or tell, the whole truth about
the Canadian system because they, like you, are agenda building.
Nice that you like to show your stripes so well.

Here, let me restore a couple of sites that you don't want to
see...

"...An Ontario study reviewed the experience for 8,517
consecutive coronary bypass patients following the establishment
of a
provincial patient registry in 1991. While in the queue 31
patients (0.4%) died and 3 had surgery deferred after non-fatal
myocardial infarction..."
http://www.utoronto.ca/hpme/dhr/pdf/Shortt.pdf

"...Based on data from tens of thousands of patients, it is now
clear that queuing according to this system limits the risk of
death for patients awaiting surgery. Currently about one in
200 to 250 patients will die while awaiting isolatedcoronary
artery bypass surgery (CABG) in Ontario..."
http://www.utoronto.ca/hpme/dhr/pdf/atrevised3.pdf

Plus, you failed to reply to kmans claim that no one waits for
treatment in Canada.




frtzw906
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I notice that you dishonestly deleted all the info that says that
Canadians die on wait lists.
the site you keep refering to now, which I had posted before
anyway, does not claim there are no deaths from waiting.
The sites I provided, and you deleted, do.