KMAN, while I'm passing on interesting tidbits of info, I thought you
might find this interesting:

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/8Comparison.htm

frtzw906

Wolfgang wrote:
"BCITORGB" wrote in message
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TnT says:
================
I just got back into town, from a weekend of waiting in lift lines
================

How come? Was it some kind of socialized ski hill? As to the
elixir:
only Wolfgang seems to know.

I don't mind sharing:

Helsinki, Reykjavik, Oslo, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Amsterdam, Nice,
Moscow,
Beijing, Ulan Bator, Kiev, Sofia, Istanbul, Hanoi, Rome, Athens,
Auckland,
Perth, Wellington, Papeete, Baku, Shanghai, East Point, West Point,
Stevens
Point, the Pont Neuf, Dublin, Cabo Mondego, Algiers, Belgrade,
Malabo,
Kidal, Nakuru, Brazzaville, Kinshasa, Neuquen, Oranjestad, Erechim,
Santiago, St. Johns, Fort Lauderdale, Sao Paolo, Brownsville,
Guaymas,
Little Rock, Anchorage, most populated areas in Cameroon, Cairo,
Cairo,
Champaign, Champlain, Shandan, Shandon, Shandong, Shannon, Shap,
Shapa,
Shar, Sihui, Pittsburgh, Pittsfield, Pium, Port Hardy, Port Arthur,
Portugal, Oak Park, Greenfield, Greendale, Glendale, Buffalo Grove,
Ogden,
Long Grove, Raleigh, Mount Pilot, Wayne's house, Wayno's house,
Wayne's
house, Kennie's house (just Bud.....sorry), Ray's Liquors at 89th and
North,
Harvard, Duke, Oxford, Choate, Smith, Cambridge, Cambridge, Salem,
Salem,
Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem,
Salem,
Salem, Salem, Burlington, Burlington, Burlington, Burlington,
Burlington,
Burlington, Flores, Salem, Salem, Budapest, Indianapolis, Kalamazoo,
Joel's
house (martinis), Salem, Plymouth, Plymouth, Plymouth, Vermouth,
Laiwu,
Jerusalem, Brussels, Lac du Flambeau, Fond du Lac, Fond du Lac, Lac
Court d'
Orielles, La Crosse, La Cinega, Los Angeles, Los Vegas, Los Alamos,
Cabo San
Lucas, Madrid, New Madrid, New Berlin, New Rochelle, New Mexico, New
South
Wales, New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Glarus, New
Glarus,
Portland, Portland, Salem, McMurdo, McGill, Kalpa, Becky's wine rack
over in
the northeast corner of the dining room, Gurais, Bruce Crossing,
Ironwood,
Iron River, Iron Mountain, Ewen, Gay, Eagle River, Eagle River,
Copper
Harbor, L'Anse, Matchwood, Marinesco, Menominee, Marquette, Houghton,

Hancock, Foynes, Charleston, Charlestown, Juneau,
Juneau,......um.....did I
say Charlotte?, London, London, New London, Dauphin Island, Rock
Island,
Rock Island, Long Island, Washington Island, Belfast, Edinburgh,
Swansea,
Valparaiso, Valparaiso, Sedona, Santa Fe, Santa Rosita, Santa Monica,
Santa
Cruz, Veracruz, Tulsa, Tuskeegee, Churchill, Chapel Hill, Jones
Island,
Frontera, Fresno, Freeport, Freeport Freeport, Freeport, San Juan,
San Juan,
San Juan, San Juan, Salem, Gallatin, Galveston, Baton Rouge, Martha's

Vineyard, Binghamton, Platte, Pierre, South Platte, Fargo,
Farmington,
Black, Ironton, Leadville, Salem, Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson,
Jefferson
City, Madison, Kerrville, Moratuwa, Novo Mesto, Kirovsk, Kirovskiy,
Hexi,
Albuquerque, El Reno, Ilchester, Olympia, Ulugan bay, Ylistaro,
Wakeland,
Santa Catarina, Sandia, Opua,.......um.......um.....oh yeah, and
Merauke.

Wolfgang

Are these your personal preference, or just known reference points. I
may have missed it, but you did not reference anything near Denver.
That would be a big help. Thanks, TnT

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article , Scott Weiser at
wrote on 2/20/05 5:59 PM:

A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote:

in article K53Sd.37676$t46.25480@trndny04, No Spam at
wrote on 2/20/05 11:42 AM:

just after Bush stole his first presidency.

Bush won the election by every recount so far - have you found a
different
result? I would like to see it. I am not some blind follower of Bush
but I'm
getting tired of this stupid "Bush stole the election" crap. What
happened
in Florida was absurd, but the result has been verify many times.

???

Perhaps you are unaware that the the Republicam members of the Supreme
Court
stopped the recount.

Well, that would be because the recount was being performed in violation
of
state and federal law in a biased manner that threatened the accuracy of
the
election, and therefore the recount was ruled to be unlawful. The
Supreme
Court is neither Republican nor Democrat, it's a neutral body that rules
on
the law, not on politics.

True or false: it was the Republican appointees to the Supreme Court that
voted to stop the recount.

Time to prove you point. Just exactly how would this recount allow Gore to
win the Presidency??

For the sake of this argument, let's say the court stayed out of the matter,
and Gore would have won this recount as ordered by the Florida Supreme
Court.

How would Go

1) get rid of the slate of certified Florida Bush Electors send on
11/26/2000, via the remedy crafted by the Democrat majority of the Florida
Supreme Court in Palm Beach County Canvassing Board vs. Harris???

2) get rid of the slate of Bush electors that the Florida Legislature was in
the process of sending on 12/12/2000 (the Florida Senate was to vote on
12/14/2000)??

3) If he would get this far, how would he keep Congress from disqualify his
slate of electors that were send via an a recount that violated 3 U.S.C.
section 5????

4) If he could not keep his electors, how does he win in the US House???

Here is a link to the law that would be used. One thing to keep in mind, who
controlled the US House and the US Senate.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/3/15.html


As to what every recount so far has to say, it depends on who you ask.
For
every http://www.bushwatch.com/gorebush.htm there's a
http://rightwingnews.com/john/tantrum.php

However, the ultimate arbiter has spoken. Clinton and Kerry both lost.

Actually, Clinton won.

I think you mean Al Gore.

And as mentioned, thanks to the Republican appointees the Supreme Court
who
halted the recount, it will forever be known as the election that George W
Bush stole.

Only to those who do not understand the Electoral College System.

KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

BCITORGB wrote:
But Wolfgang, that applies to most of the nations in North
Europe....
WOW! Eureka! I think you've got it!

LOL. Thanks for the humor.

frtzw906

I just got back into town, from a weekend of waiting in lift lines
(Actually not to bad for holiday weekend.)

Now catching up on the news here, I think I am going to die waiting
in
line, for rick and KMAN to figure out what line we are waiting in.
So
where do I get this refreshing elixir of life at? TnT

Go to Newfoundland. It is called "screech." However, if you drink the

screech in a remote area of Newfoundland and get sick as a result and
would
like a very specific type of scan but you are not in an emergency
situation
you may have to wait to get the scan.

Interestingly enough, it was named "screech" because an American was
unable
to handle it, and he "screeched" so loud that people came running
from all
around to see what had happened.

The question is do you have to wait in line to get it? Or maybe I
should ask, how many people have died waiting in line to get it? And
then the next question, is, does the Canadian government pay for his
funeral, maybe from tourism dollars? You wouldn't want to many dead
people standing in line, it makes it difficult to move ahead a step!
TnT

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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Are these your personal preference, or just known reference points.

I'll take the liberty of assuming that is a question. You know how people
are always saying there's no such thing as a stupid question?
Well......guess what.

I
may have missed it, but you did not reference anything near Denver.
That would be a big help.

Define "near".

Thanks, TnT

You're quite welcome.

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

Are these your personal preference, or just known reference points.

I'll take the liberty of assuming that is a question. You know how
people
are always saying there's no such thing as a stupid question?
Well......guess what.

I
may have missed it, but you did not reference anything near Denver.
That would be a big help.

Define "near".

Thanks, TnT

You're quite welcome.

Wolfgang

Near is "near", sort of like is, "is"! TnT

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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Near is "near", sort of like is, "is"! TnT

Hm......

You know, I'm beginning to think you're toying with me.

I resent that

Wolfgang

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
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KMAN, you might be interested in the following:

http://www.scp.nl/publicaties/boeken...formance_3.PDF

pages 120-180... a detailed, intelligent, analysis/discussion of
healthcare systems.

One excerpt of note:
"The optimum outcome of this trade-off for non-urgent curative care
will be a
waiting time somewhere between zero and a few months. Research has
shown that
short waiting times for this type of care cause very little
deterioration in health,
while the costs of care increase sharply if such treatments have to be
performed
without waiting time. Furthermore, it appears that patients do not
strongly object
to waiting a short time for non-urgent treatment (scp 2003: 123).
However, waiting
times are still regarded as unpleasant and spark public debate."

Anyway, KMAN, thought this might be of interest.

frtzw906

Thanks. It's all rather logical that those are the trade-offs.

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
oups.com...
KMAN, while I'm passing on interesting tidbits of info, I thought you
might find this interesting:

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/8Comparison.htm

frtzw906

I might, if the link worked for me :-)

"Mark Cook" wrote in message
...
"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article , Scott Weiser at
wrote on 2/20/05 5:59 PM:

A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote:

in article K53Sd.37676$t46.25480@trndny04, No Spam at
wrote on 2/20/05 11:42 AM:

just after Bush stole his first presidency.

Bush won the election by every recount so far - have you found a
different
result? I would like to see it. I am not some blind follower of Bush
but I'm
getting tired of this stupid "Bush stole the election" crap. What
happened
in Florida was absurd, but the result has been verify many times.

???

Perhaps you are unaware that the the Republicam members of the Supreme
Court
stopped the recount.

Well, that would be because the recount was being performed in
violation
of
state and federal law in a biased manner that threatened the accuracy
of
the
election, and therefore the recount was ruled to be unlawful. The
Supreme
Court is neither Republican nor Democrat, it's a neutral body that
rules
on
the law, not on politics.

True or false: it was the Republican appointees to the Supreme Court that
voted to stop the recount.

Time to prove you point. Just exactly how would this recount allow Gore to
win the Presidency??

I have no idea.

For the sake of this argument, let's say the court stayed out of the
matter,
and Gore would have won this recount as ordered by the Florida Supreme
Court.

How would Go

1) get rid of the slate of certified Florida Bush Electors send on
11/26/2000, via the remedy crafted by the Democrat majority of the Florida
Supreme Court in Palm Beach County Canvassing Board vs. Harris???

2) get rid of the slate of Bush electors that the Florida Legislature was
in
the process of sending on 12/12/2000 (the Florida Senate was to vote on
12/14/2000)??

3) If he would get this far, how would he keep Congress from disqualify
his
slate of electors that were send via an a recount that violated 3 U.S.C.
section 5????

4) If he could not keep his electors, how does he win in the US House???

Here is a link to the law that would be used. One thing to keep in mind,
who
controlled the US House and the US Senate.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/3/15.html

I have no idea.

As to what every recount so far has to say, it depends on who you ask.
For
every http://www.bushwatch.com/gorebush.htm there's a
http://rightwingnews.com/john/tantrum.php

However, the ultimate arbiter has spoken. Clinton and Kerry both lost.

Actually, Clinton won.

I think you mean Al Gore.

And as mentioned, thanks to the Republican appointees the Supreme Court
who
halted the recount, it will forever be known as the election that George
W
Bush stole.

Only to those who do not understand the Electoral College System.

No, I daresay a great many people who understand the ECS still view it this
way.