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"rick" wrote in message nk.net... "KMAN" wrote in message . .. "rick" wrote in message ink.net... "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article t, rick at wrote on 2/20/05 10:48 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article t, rick at wrote on 2/20/05 5:17 PM: snippage... No one is waiting for treatment. It's about a specific type of scan in a specific geographic area and the waiting is for non-emergencies. ================== LOL Again, sure. I understand that when he turns into an 'emergency' case he will be right in the door. That you don't see a problem with that says alot about your blindly following what you are being told... Being told by whom? ================== Your ideological mouth pieces. Apparently you can't think for yourself... What ideological mouthpieces? ====================== The ones that tell you that the Canadian system has no waiting times, and is the best system. Who are they? When did they tell me this? ================ You tell me. Or, were you just making up the stuff you claimed about getting in for any test right away? What are you talking about? You can't get any test you want right away. However, you can get excellent care most everywhere and in the event of living in a geographically isolated area or some other area where there is less equipment and doctors than the norm, tests for non-emergencies might result in a long wait. Take a look into low birth weight babies born in Canada vs the US. Being born low weight to a Canadian family is a greater risk that being born to a African-American family in the US. Where does that fit in with your ill-concieved ideas that the 'poor' in the US suffer, while no-one in Canada does? Where are you getting that information? ======================= Try getting it yourself. You're the one in canada.... As I suspected. More yakety yak by someone who has no idea. ========================== LOL Thanks for proving that you are ignorant of computer use. Your statement does not compute. ======================= Of course not, not to someone that apparently dosen't know how to use theirs, eh? Logic system failure. ==================== Yes, you have failed at alot of things here. Core logic meltdown. As far as making ignorant claims, there are more than a few that you have never backed up. This is a weasely way of admitting that you can't back up your claim. ==================== Nopde. Try again fool. I've even given you the hints... No hinting necessary weasel. ================= Of couirse not. You knew you were spouting idiocy when you started. You just weren't expecting to be called on your stupidity. You haven't called me on anything. tell me a 2 1/2 year wait if the boy does have cancer won't effect the outcome of his life, and that if the family HAS the money, they won't get one privately in Canada or the states. snip... Yes, rich people everywhere can find ways to get things that other people can't. Canada does not have a ban on rich people. ===================== Yet you try to pretend that your have a single health care system for all, and equal for all. I've said no such thing. But a poor person will receive a higher standard of care in Canada than most anywhere else on the planet. ====================== LOL Again, once they are an 'emergency', eh? No. I can leave my house right now and drive to the nearest medical clinic and get excellent care. They will not ask me how much money I make. ======================= Sure, but they will make you wait for the tests to determine what you mental illness is. That you are trying to deny that there are long wait lists for many treatments needed across Canada is your ideology speaking, not reality. The quality of care varies somewhat particulary (as one might expect) in sparsely populated regions. But the standard of care across the country is excellent. I should know, I use it, and so do my friends and relatives. FYI, I was born in Evanston, Illinois, and I know a fair bit about health care in both countries, with relatives that live in both. ======================== Wow, how nice. Do you figure that you are the only one with family and friends in both systems? No. Everyone prefers the Canadian system. That is not to say that no one has ever complained about how long they had to wait for an elective procedure, but between the two systems as a whole, it is no contenst. It has nothing to do with ideology. ========================= Then they must be as brainwashed as you, because many of the ones I know always come back to the US for care. And, in a couple of cases, to give care. How many? What are they coming for? Why? ======================= Why do all yours allegedly prefer the canadian system? I've answered one reason right off the bat. No waits. In a couple of cases the treatments needed weren't life threatening, but very painful joint problems. They decided that their wait time, and being dosed with painkillers instead of treatment was medically unsound. They prefer the Canadian system because the standard of care is not dependent upon your income and you don't have to mortgage your house to get the treatment that you need. Yes, you might indeed have to wait longer than you would like to treat something that is painful but not life-threatening. As to the 'anywhere else on the planet', Canada barely ranks better than the US And yet, ranks better, by whatever standard you are using. ================ LOL Where have I ever claimed the US had no problems? You on the other hand are trying to defend the indefenseble. Not at all. So far you have pointed out that certain people looking for a very specific type of scan in a non-emergency situation in Newfoundland are having to wait a long time. This is a far cry from the statements about peopel dying in waiting lines that brought me into this goofy discussion. ========================== LOL That you have to fisate on one example says alot about your brainwashing. That you believe that that is the one and only case available to find is a hoot. It was your example. ================ Yes, one example of many. Why do you try to deny the months long wait lists acroos Canada? More chest thumping? What wait lists across Canada? All you have talked about is one isolated case in Newfoundland. I got involved in this thread because it was alleged that Canadians are dying in waiting lines. That is total crap. And there hasn't been one piece of evidence to support the allegation, nothing but a story about Newfoundland, and nothing having to do with people dying while waiting. and both are in the 30s, from the top of best care. Both have serious problems, and jingoistically pounding your chest about being #30 doesn't really mean anything, does it? This means, logically, at the other end of the scale a very rich person may indeed opt to seek care elsewhere. ================ Again, yes, rather than to wait until they are an 'emergency' case. You have no clue. ===================== Yes, apparently more than you. There is no evidence of that. ==================== I've posted real data, from real sites. Perhaps so, but none to support your argument. ==================== LOL So, the sites I have posted have somehow said that there are no wait times in canada? Man, you do have comprhension problems, don't you? There are wait times in every medical system. Nobody in Canada is dying while waiting, as was alleged. You seem to be making it up as you go. Come on, provide more than just your say-so that there are no waiting lines for Canadian health-care. If you mean that somewhere in a doctor's office or emergency room someone is waiting, I have to agree. But no one is dying in a waiting line. ====================== An assertion that is not backed up by canadian sources. And for many, the decision is not to wait until then, but to go elsewhere for treatment. No one is dying in a waiting line as alleged. I went to the doctor just last Monday. I called on Friday. Got an appointment Monday afternoon. Received excellent care. Got a prescription, had it filled that day. What's the problem? ====================== ummm, one example. Somehow I get the feeling that one exmple for youis adequate, but I have to show that every Canadian is waiting for specialized treatment. see your ideology is still in control, rather that rationality. You seem to have some bizarre notions about how things work here, so I was sharing with you a real life example. The fact that there is no evidence to sustantiate the allegation of people dying in waiting lines should of course been enough for you. You are basing your ridiculous views on an isolated situation in Newfoundland. That's like basing my view of US health care on some spot in Alaska. ===================== Isolated? What a hoot!!! Try some research fool. Start at the Fraser Institute. Surely you've heard of them. They're in Canada. I know all about the Fraser Institute. LOL. Now perhaps I have at least a partial explanation of where you are getting these crazy ideas. The secondary name for the Fraser Institue is "I wish George W. Bush was the Prime Minister of Canada." Asking what the Fraser Institute thinks about Canadian Health Care is like asking the NRA for objective advice on handguns. Only worse! ROFL ==================== They are but one. But nice to see your ideology won't let truth get in your way. Keep trying fool, maybe someday you'll learn something other than your brainwashed opinion. Heehee. You are so silly. =============== Teehee, and you are still an ignorant buffoon. At least I know that the Fraser Institute isn't the place to go for objective information. You really looked pathetic spouting off about that. You could just hear the collective guffaws! All it manages to do is promote a have vs have-not conflict. ? |
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"KMAN" wrote in message ... snippage... Who are they? When did they tell me this? ================ You tell me. Or, were you just making up the stuff you claimed about getting in for any test right away? What are you talking about? You can't get any test you want right away. ================ Wellthere you go. Thanks for finally admitting there are wait lists... However, you can get excellent care most everywhere and in the event of living in a geographically isolated area or some other area where there is less equipment and doctors than the norm, tests for non-emergencies might result in a long wait. ======================= That's part of the point, idiot. How do you know if it's an emergency without the test? You really are that stupid, aren't you? Take a look into low birth weight babies born in Canada vs the US. Being born low weight to a Canadian family is a greater risk that being born to a African-American family in the US. Where does that fit in with your ill-concieved ideas that the 'poor' in the US suffer, while no-one in Canada does? Where are you getting that information? ======================= Try getting it yourself. You're the one in canada.... As I suspected. More yakety yak by someone who has no idea. ========================== LOL Thanks for proving that you are ignorant of computer use. Your statement does not compute. ======================= Of course not, not to someone that apparently dosen't know how to use theirs, eh? Logic system failure. ==================== Yes, you have failed at alot of things here. Core logic meltdown. ============== Yes, you are there. As far as making ignorant claims, there are more than a few that you have never backed up. This is a weasely way of admitting that you can't back up your claim. ==================== Nopde. Try again fool. I've even given you the hints... No hinting necessary weasel. ================= Of couirse not. You knew you were spouting idiocy when you started. You just weren't expecting to be called on your stupidity. You haven't called me on anything. ================== Yes, your ignorant jingoistic chest-thumping, fool. snippage... How many? What are they coming for? Why? ======================= Why do all yours allegedly prefer the canadian system? I've answered one reason right off the bat. No waits. In a couple of cases the treatments needed weren't life threatening, but very painful joint problems. They decided that their wait time, and being dosed with painkillers instead of treatment was medically unsound. They prefer the Canadian system because the standard of care is not dependent upon your income and you don't have to mortgage your house to get the treatment that you need. ==================== More strawmen, marching to the tune of your ideology, eh? Yes, you might indeed have to wait longer than you would like to treat something that is painful but not life-threatening. ===================== Again, that's the point idiot. You don't know what is and is not life-threatening without some of these teats. And, what isn't life-threatening at that very moment may be if you have to wait 2 years for the dianostic tests. As to the 'anywhere else on the planet', Canada barely ranks better than the US And yet, ranks better, by whatever standard you are using. ================ LOL Where have I ever claimed the US had no problems? You on the other hand are trying to defend the indefenseble. Not at all. So far you have pointed out that certain people looking for a very specific type of scan in a non-emergency situation in Newfoundland are having to wait a long time. This is a far cry from the statements about peopel dying in waiting lines that brought me into this goofy discussion. ========================== LOL That you have to fisate on one example says alot about your brainwashing. That you believe that that is the one and only case available to find is a hoot. It was your example. ================ Yes, one example of many. Why do you try to deny the months long wait lists acroos Canada? More chest thumping? What wait lists across Canada? All you have talked about is one isolated case in Newfoundland. I got involved in this thread because it was alleged that Canadians are dying in waiting lines. That is total crap. ================ Not according to som,e of your own media, unions, and universities, fool. And there hasn't been one piece of evidence to support the allegation, nothing but a story about Newfoundland, and nothing having to do with people dying while waiting. ==================== LOL Because YOU are afraid to research the data. Your idiocy would be exposed to yourself that way.. and both are in the 30s, from the top of best care. Both have serious problems, and jingoistically pounding your chest about being #30 doesn't really mean anything, does it? This means, logically, at the other end of the scale a very rich person may indeed opt to seek care elsewhere. ================ Again, yes, rather than to wait until they are an 'emergency' case. You have no clue. ===================== Yes, apparently more than you. There is no evidence of that. ==================== I've posted real data, from real sites. Perhaps so, but none to support your argument. ==================== LOL So, the sites I have posted have somehow said that there are no wait times in canada? Man, you do have comprhension problems, don't you? There are wait times in every medical system. Nobody in Canada is dying while waiting, as was alleged. ================== Not according to sources in your own country. You seem to be making it up as you go. Come on, provide more than just your say-so that there are no waiting lines for Canadian health-care. If you mean that somewhere in a doctor's office or emergency room someone is waiting, I have to agree. But no one is dying in a waiting line. ====================== An assertion that is not backed up by canadian sources. And for many, the decision is not to wait until then, but to go elsewhere for treatment. No one is dying in a waiting line as alleged. ================== Not according to sources in your own country. I went to the doctor just last Monday. I called on Friday. Got an appointment Monday afternoon. Received excellent care. Got a prescription, had it filled that day. What's the problem? ====================== ummm, one example. Somehow I get the feeling that one exmple for youis adequate, but I have to show that every Canadian is waiting for specialized treatment. see your ideology is still in control, rather that rationality. You seem to have some bizarre notions about how things work here, so I was sharing with you a real life example. ====================== LOL Yet when I shared 'one' example of the other extreme it was somenow not pertenent. Seems you have a bizarre notion of 'real life' examples. I gave you other real life examples as well. The fact that there is no evidence to sustantiate the allegation of people dying in waiting lines should of course been enough for you. ================== Not according to sources in your own country. You are basing your ridiculous views on an isolated situation in Newfoundland. That's like basing my view of US health care on some spot in Alaska. ===================== Isolated? What a hoot!!! Try some research fool. Start at the Fraser Institute. Surely you've heard of them. They're in Canada. I know all about the Fraser Institute. LOL. Now perhaps I have at least a partial explanation of where you are getting these crazy ideas. The secondary name for the Fraser Institue is "I wish George W. Bush was the Prime Minister of Canada." Asking what the Fraser Institute thinks about Canadian Health Care is like asking the NRA for objective advice on handguns. Only worse! ROFL ==================== They are but one. But nice to see your ideology won't let truth get in your way. Keep trying fool, maybe someday you'll learn something other than your brainwashed opinion. Heehee. You are so silly. =============== Teehee, and you are still an ignorant buffoon. At least I know that the Fraser Institute isn't the place to go for objective information. You really looked pathetic spouting off about that. You could just hear the collective guffaws! ======================= The data is there. that you reject it because of the messenger says more about your ideology than your intelligence. All it manages to do is promote a have vs have-not conflict. ? |
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============== Again, that's the point idiot. You don't know what is and is not life-threatening without some of these teats. =============== No, you friggin' idiot, but our doctors DO KNOW whether these tests are required for further diagnosis to continue. IF the tests are deemed to be necessary, by medical professionals, I can assure you, they get done. Let's remember, many tests are in the "nice to have but not essential" category. Further, let's not overlook the fact that American patients are very often "over tested". Many tests done in the USA are done not for diagnostic purposes but, rather, for "cover your ass against possible future litigation" purposes. Anecdotal: I took my daughter to the clinic in the nearby mall to have a doctor look at her soccer injury. An X-Ray was recommended. Today, after school, we went to the X-ray clinic, presented her medical plan number (for billing purposes), took a number, sat down, "waited" 20 minutes, and had the X-ray taken. Next door, others were going through the similar procedures for other diagnostic tests. No "waits"! Take a number. Wait (usually less than 30 minutes). Many satisfied patients every day. You're always on about "straw men", but that's no wonder: you're the one who constructs them. frtzw906 |
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"BCITORGB" wrote in message oups.com... rick says of KMAN: ============== Again, that's the point idiot. You don't know what is and is not life-threatening without some of these teats. =============== No, you friggin' idiot, but our doctors DO KNOW whether these tests are required for further diagnosis to continue. IF the tests are deemed to be necessary, by medical professionals, I can assure you, they get done. ====================== In due time. Not necessarily when the doctor decides that the tests are warranted. That's the case, buffoon... Let's remember, many tests are in the "nice to have but not essential" category. Further, let's not overlook the fact that American patients are very often "over tested". Many tests done in the USA are done not for diagnostic purposes but, rather, for "cover your ass against possible future litigation" purposes. ====================== Again, the are tests that are not done without waits, whether they are life-threatening or not. Severe pain may not be immediately life threatening, but the constant dosing of pain killers to make the wait bearable can lead to other problems. Anecdotal: I took my daughter to the clinic in the nearby mall to have a doctor look at her soccer injury. An X-Ray was recommended. Today, after school, we went to the X-ray clinic, presented her medical plan number (for billing purposes), took a number, sat down, "waited" 20 minutes, and had the X-ray taken. Next door, others were going through the similar procedures for other diagnostic tests. No "waits"! Take a number. Wait (usually less than 30 minutes). Many satisfied patients every day. You're always on about "straw men", but that's no wonder: you're the one who constructs them. ================= Nope. I'm not the one relying on anecdotal, one person examples. frtzw906 |
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"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/21/05 8:52 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... snippage... Who are they? When did they tell me this? ================ You tell me. Or, were you just making up the stuff you claimed about getting in for any test right away? What are you talking about? You can't get any test you want right away. ================ Wellthere you go. Thanks for finally admitting there are wait lists... Huh? I never said nobody has to wait. I've mentioned at least a dozen times that it is possible someone would have to wait for a certain procedure. But so it is with any system. What I said was no one is dying waiting for medical care as has been alleged. =-=============== Which you have failed to refute the Canadian sites that say otherwise. However, you can get excellent care most everywhere and in the event of living in a geographically isolated area or some other area where there is less equipment and doctors than the norm, tests for non-emergencies might result in a long wait. ======================= That's part of the point, idiot. How do you know if it's an emergency without the test? You really are that stupid, aren't you? Don't be silly. We aren't talking about someone coming to the hospital and not getting any tests done. The type of tests where someone is waiting is where the medical issue is known and the situation is known to be non life-threatening. ===================== Your ideology is really entrenced, isn't it? There are 'life threatening' causes that can't be known without some tests. So, as long as you're walking and talking, you get to wait until it is life threatening, eh? As far as making ignorant claims, there are more than a few that you have never backed up. This is a weasely way of admitting that you can't back up your claim. ==================== Nopde. Try again fool. I've even given you the hints... No hinting necessary weasel. ================= Of couirse not. You knew you were spouting idiocy when you started. You just weren't expecting to be called on your stupidity. You haven't called me on anything. ================== Yes, your ignorant jingoistic chest-thumping, fool. More of your brilliance on display. ===================== No, more of the truth about your constant denial. How many? What are they coming for? Why? ======================= Why do all yours allegedly prefer the canadian system? I've answered one reason right off the bat. No waits. In a couple of cases the treatments needed weren't life threatening, but very painful joint problems. They decided that their wait time, and being dosed with painkillers instead of treatment was medically unsound. They prefer the Canadian system because the standard of care is not dependent upon your income and you don't have to mortgage your house to get the treatment that you need. ==================== More strawmen, marching to the tune of your ideology, eh? No, that's one of the things that gets mentioned most often. You asked what they say, and I told you. Maybe at least as often they mention how in Canada the doctor and institution are there to focus on your care, and in the US it feels like you are just a commodity being used to generate as much cash as possible. ===================== LOL Such altruistic doctors you have there. What a hoot! Yes, you might indeed have to wait longer than you would like to treat something that is painful but not life-threatening. ===================== Again, that's the point idiot. You don't know what is and is not life-threatening without some of these teats. And, what isn't life-threatening at that very moment may be if you have to wait 2 years for the dianostic tests. It's too bad you are so busy engaging in name-calling and propping up your ego that you aren't willing to learn something. ===================== I have. I've learned that you are too jingoistic to step back and take a real look at your system. You're too engaged in making comparisions to others. You obviously know nothing about this, and you are making a joke of yourself. =============== tell that to the CBC, unions and Universities in Canada. they ahve the information, if you weren't too afraid to find out the truth. There is no one waiting to have their health problems diagnosed. ===================== BS People who are waiting (I don't know anyone myself who is waiting for any type of care, elective or otherwise) ================== And you're personally intamate with the health needs of ever Canadian, eh? My, maybe you should run for god. have known medical issues that are continually monitored. Just because someone has to wait for a certain type of scan doesn't mean they aren't still receiving medical care. ====================== care that might not be the best they could get, of passibly life threatening. As to the 'anywhere else on the planet', Canada barely ranks better than the US And yet, ranks better, by whatever standard you are using. ================ LOL Where have I ever claimed the US had no problems? You on the other hand are trying to defend the indefenseble. Not at all. So far you have pointed out that certain people looking for a very specific type of scan in a non-emergency situation in Newfoundland are having to wait a long time. This is a far cry from the statements about peopel dying in waiting lines that brought me into this goofy discussion. ========================== LOL That you have to fisate on one example says alot about your brainwashing. That you believe that that is the one and only case available to find is a hoot. It was your example. ================ Yes, one example of many. Why do you try to deny the months long wait lists acroos Canada? More chest thumping? What wait lists across Canada? All you have talked about is one isolated case in Newfoundland. I got involved in this thread because it was alleged that Canadians are dying in waiting lines. That is total crap. ================ Not according to som,e of your own media, unions, and universities, fool. A fool makes an accusation without evidence to support it. If you are alleging that Canadians are dying waiting to receive health care, prove it. Otherwise, you know exactly what you are. ==================== LOL Where's you proof fool? refute waht your own media, unions and Universties say. You haven't even tried. All you've done is thump your chest about how great your system is. We're # 30, we're #30!! Wow, what an acheivement! And there hasn't been one piece of evidence to support the allegation, nothing but a story about Newfoundland, and nothing having to do with people dying while waiting. ==================== LOL Because YOU are afraid to research the data. Your idiocy would be exposed to yourself that way.. Yawn. More weasel words. Let's face facts, if you could possible post information to make you look a bit less stupid, you would do so. You can't because it doesn't exist. ============================= LOL Then you should post it fool. Come on. make me look like the idiot you have already shown yourself to be. Again, try your own media, unions, and universities. But we already know you are afraid to bring facts into your argument, eh? and both are in the 30s, from the top of best care. Both have serious problems, and jingoistically pounding your chest about being #30 doesn't really mean anything, does it? This means, logically, at the other end of the scale a very rich person may indeed opt to seek care elsewhere. ================ Again, yes, rather than to wait until they are an 'emergency' case. You have no clue. ===================== Yes, apparently more than you. There is no evidence of that. ==================== I've posted real data, from real sites. Perhaps so, but none to support your argument. ==================== LOL So, the sites I have posted have somehow said that there are no wait times in canada? Man, you do have comprhension problems, don't you? There are wait times in every medical system. Nobody in Canada is dying while waiting, as was alleged. ================== Not according to sources in your own country. You haven't shown us any. ===================== LOL I've already told you a number of times, try your own media, unions and universities. That you are too afraid to look, or too stupid to know how doesn't make the information any less available. You seem to be making it up as you go. Come on, provide more than just your say-so that there are no waiting lines for Canadian health-care. If you mean that somewhere in a doctor's office or emergency room someone is waiting, I have to agree. But no one is dying in a waiting line. ====================== An assertion that is not backed up by canadian sources. And for many, the decision is not to wait until then, but to go elsewhere for treatment. No one is dying in a waiting line as alleged. ================== Not according to sources in your own country. You haven't shown us any. ======================= Yes, I have. You choose not to accept it because iof your jingoistic chest thumping. I went to the doctor just last Monday. I called on Friday. Got an appointment Monday afternoon. Received excellent care. Got a prescription, had it filled that day. What's the problem? ====================== ummm, one example. Somehow I get the feeling that one exmple for youis adequate, but I have to show that every Canadian is waiting for specialized treatment. see your ideology is still in control, rather that rationality. You seem to have some bizarre notions about how things work here, so I was sharing with you a real life example. ====================== LOL Yet when I shared 'one' example of the other extreme it was somenow not pertenent. It was "pertenent" in that it shows that in a geographically isolated area of Canada with a small population the standard of care is a behind what is available elsewhere. ========================== LOL But somehow your own 'one' example proves that the rest of the country is fine. You really are stupid enough to believe that, aren't you? That's unfortunate, and it is something all Canadians want improved. But your example does nothing to demonstrate that people in Canada are dying waiting for treatment as has been alleged. ===================== Then it should be easy to disprove those claims by your own media, unions and universities, shouldn't it? Seems you have a bizarre notion of 'real life' examples. I gave you other real life examples as well. I fully acknowledged your example. ============== That was plural fool. The fact that there is no evidence to sustantiate the allegation of people dying in waiting lines should of course been enough for you. ================== Not according to sources in your own country. You haven't provided any. Thus far they are only in your mind. ================ Again, yes I have. You are basing your ridiculous views on an isolated situation in Newfoundland. That's like basing my view of US health care on some spot in Alaska. ===================== Isolated? What a hoot!!! Try some research fool. Start at the Fraser Institute. Surely you've heard of them. They're in Canada. I know all about the Fraser Institute. LOL. Now perhaps I have at least a partial explanation of where you are getting these crazy ideas. The secondary name for the Fraser Institue is "I wish George W. Bush was the Prime Minister of Canada." Asking what the Fraser Institute thinks about Canadian Health Care is like asking the NRA for objective advice on handguns. Only worse! ROFL ==================== They are but one. But nice to see your ideology won't let truth get in your way. Keep trying fool, maybe someday you'll learn something other than your brainwashed opinion. Heehee. You are so silly. =============== Teehee, and you are still an ignorant buffoon. At least I know that the Fraser Institute isn't the place to go for objective information. You really looked pathetic spouting off about that. You could just hear the collective guffaws! ======================= The data is there. that you reject it because of the messenger says more about your ideology than your intelligence. Christ, I can go to this or that institute that has data to prove that the Holocaust never happened. The messenger is hardly irrelevant. This has nothing to do with ideology for me. The Fraser Institute, on the other hand, is well known and commonly ridiculed for their voracious right-wing ideology. ========================== ROTFLMAO And you as independent as the driven snow. Stop, you're killing me!! Oh well, at least i can get tested right away, eh? |
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"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/21/05 11:37 PM: snip... been alleged. =-=============== Which you have failed to refute the Canadian sites that say otherwise. What "Canadian sites that say otherwise" you haven't provided any. ================ Yes, I have. And i've told you where to look. That you are either too stupid to know how, or too afraid to isn't my problem. It's your head stuck firmly in the sand. However, you can get excellent care most everywhere and in the event of living in a geographically isolated area or some other area where there is less equipment and doctors than the norm, tests for non-emergencies might result in a long wait. ======================= That's part of the point, idiot. How do you know if it's an emergency without the test? You really are that stupid, aren't you? Don't be silly. We aren't talking about someone coming to the hospital and not getting any tests done. The type of tests where someone is waiting is where the medical issue is known and the situation is known to be non life-threatening. ===================== Your ideology is really entrenced, isn't it? There are 'life threatening' causes that can't be known without some tests. So, as long as you're walking and talking, you get to wait until it is life threatening, eh? Unless you are suggesting that every single human being should be receiving every single medical test possible every single minute of the day, your line of argument here is goofy at best. ======================== No, that's a nice little strawman there. I suggest that getting the tests that your dictor wants shouldn't take weeks, months or years. Why would you support such treatment? As far as making ignorant claims, there are more than a few that you have never backed up. This is a weasely way of admitting that you can't back up your claim. ==================== Nopde. Try again fool. I've even given you the hints... No hinting necessary weasel. ================= Of couirse not. You knew you were spouting idiocy when you started. You just weren't expecting to be called on your stupidity. You haven't called me on anything. ================== Yes, your ignorant jingoistic chest-thumping, fool. More of your brilliance on display. ===================== No, more of the truth about your constant denial. Denial of what? Show me some facts that I have denied. Please quote. ===================== That wait lists are systematic acroos Canada. Why are you afraid to look up the data for yourself? Afraid that your jingoism would take a hit? How many? What are they coming for? Why? ======================= Why do all yours allegedly prefer the canadian system? I've answered one reason right off the bat. No waits. In a couple of cases the treatments needed weren't life threatening, but very painful joint problems. They decided that their wait time, and being dosed with painkillers instead of treatment was medically unsound. They prefer the Canadian system because the standard of care is not dependent upon your income and you don't have to mortgage your house to get the treatment that you need. ==================== More strawmen, marching to the tune of your ideology, eh? No, that's one of the things that gets mentioned most often. You asked what they say, and I told you. Maybe at least as often they mention how in Canada the doctor and institution are there to focus on your care, and in the US it feels like you are just a commodity being used to generate as much cash as possible. ===================== LOL Such altruistic doctors you have there. What a hoot! The Canadian medical system enables doctors to care more about healing than earning than you would find in a profit-driven system. Not to say that doctors here are hurting for cash. ======================= LOL What a hoot! Doctors don't determine the level of your care in Canada. that's the point, idiot. Yes, you might indeed have to wait longer than you would like to treat something that is painful but not life-threatening. ===================== Again, that's the point idiot. You don't know what is and is not life-threatening without some of these teats. And, what isn't life-threatening at that very moment may be if you have to wait 2 years for the dianostic tests. It's too bad you are so busy engaging in name-calling and propping up your ego that you aren't willing to learn something. ===================== I have. I've learned that you are too jingoistic to step back and take a real look at your system. You're too engaged in making comparisions to others. I have direct experience with both systems. I prefer the Canadian system for practical as well as ethical reasons. ================== And, as I've stated, I know others that prefer to come to the states. Why are you afraid of adressing the real issues? You obviously know nothing about this, and you are making a joke of yourself. =============== tell that to the CBC, unions and Universities in Canada. they ahve the information, if you weren't too afraid to find out the truth. Show us the truth. We are waiting! ======================== I have. And I've told you where to look for more info. That you are afraid to look, or are too stupid to know how means that you are not really interested in a real discussion of the issue. You'ere decided that your jingoistic chest thumping is more important. People wait, and people die, but by-golly you feel good, eh? There is no one waiting to have their health problems diagnosed. ===================== BS Show us the truth! We are waiting. ===================== I have, fool. You keep ignoring the truth. You don't like the truth, it scares you. People who are waiting (I don't know anyone myself who is waiting for any type of care, elective or otherwise) ================== And you're personally intamate with the health needs of ever Canadian, eh? My, maybe you should run for god. I've got a pretty good sampling of contacts at my disposal. I also used to manage a national network of educators and health care was a common topic. ======================= Wowey zowey batman, then your ignorance is willful. That's even scarier. have known medical issues that are continually monitored. Just because someone has to wait for a certain type of scan doesn't mean they aren't still receiving medical care. ====================== care that might not be the best they could get, of passibly life threatening. The best you could get would be constant testing and monitoring every minute of the day. This is definitely not happening, here or anywhere else. But getting back to what actually brought me into this discussion, Canadians are not dying in line waiting for medical care. And you can't present any evidence that they are, because it doesn't exist. ================= I've told you where to look. That you are willfully ignorant, and wish to remain so doesn't make the info go away. Hidinh your head in the sand just proves how determeined you are to remain stupid. snip A fool makes an accusation without evidence to support it. If you are alleging that Canadians are dying waiting to receive health care, prove it. Otherwise, you know exactly what you are. ==================== LOL Where's you proof fool? refute waht your own media, unions and Universties say. There's nothing to refute. They don't say as you allege. You haven't even tried. All you've done is thump your chest about how great your system is. We're # 30, we're #30!! Wow, what an acheivement! There's nothing to refute. You haven't presented any evidence to substantiate your position, because there isn't any. ====================== Yes, I have. And have provided you with info on where else to look. get at it fool, if your really wish to engage in more than jingoistic chest-thumping. And there hasn't been one piece of evidence to support the allegation, nothing but a story about Newfoundland, and nothing having to do with people dying while waiting. ==================== LOL Because YOU are afraid to research the data. Your idiocy would be exposed to yourself that way.. Yawn. More weasel words. Let's face facts, if you could possible post information to make you look a bit less stupid, you would do so. You can't because it doesn't exist. ============================= LOL Then you should post it fool. Come on. make me look like the idiot You've managed that all on your own. I'm actually starting to feel sorry for you. I am realizing that your rude and aggressive behaviour is all just part of your weakness. ======================== Nope, not at all. What i have managed to do is make you look like the provincial, chest-thumping, I'm better than anyone idiot that refuses to engage in real discussions. You're afraid to look at any data that refutes your willful ignorance. you have already shown yourself to be. Again, try your own media, unions, and universities. But we already know you are afraid to bring facts into your argument, eh? I didn't make the allegation that Canadians are dying in line waiting for medical care. It's obviously up to the person making the allegation to present evidence. I'd be happy to refute any such evidence, but none has been provided. That is because none exists. ======================== And it has been presented. Your saying nah nah nah, it isn't true doesn't make if false. Refute you own media, unions, universities and government fool. Come on, tell them they are wrong and prove it. snip Nobody in Canada is dying while waiting, as was alleged. ================== Not according to sources in your own country. You haven't shown us any. ===================== LOL I've already told you a number of times, try your own media, unions and universities. I have. No such evidence exists. ====================== No, you haven't looked, because I see the data when I look, and it claims they are. That you are too afraid to look, or too stupid to know how doesn't make the information any less available. It does not exist. ================== Tell that to your own people then fool. You seem to be making it up as you go. Come on, provide more than just your say-so that there are no waiting lines for Canadian health-care. If you mean that somewhere in a doctor's office or emergency room someone is waiting, I have to agree. But no one is dying in a waiting line. ====================== An assertion that is not backed up by canadian sources. And for many, the decision is not to wait until then, but to go elsewhere for treatment. No one is dying in a waiting line as alleged. ================== Not according to sources in your own country. You haven't shown us any. ======================= Yes, I have. You choose not to accept it because iof your jingoistic chest thumping. You have not shown any evidence that anyone in Canada has died waiting in line for care. ===================== I have provided you with the information on where to look. YOU do not accept what I post, even when it is the truth, so I'm leaving it to you to find it yourself. I have told you where and how to begin. YOU are too afradi to try. No surprise there, but you are being shown for the disengenuous fool that you are. snip It was "pertenent" in that it shows that in a geographically isolated area of Canada with a small population the standard of care is a behind what is available elsewhere. ========================== LOL But somehow your own 'one' example proves that the rest of the country is fine. You really are stupid enough to believe that, aren't you? The allegation is that people in Canada are dying in waiting lines. You've provided no evidence whatsoever to that effect. ===================== Because if I present it fool, you'll claim it's not true. I showing how desperate you are by having told you how to look, but but proving that you are too afraid to. Thanks for showing the world your idiocy. That's unfortunate, and it is something all Canadians want improved. But your example does nothing to demonstrate that people in Canada are dying waiting for treatment as has been alleged. ===================== Then it should be easy to disprove those claims by your own media, unions and universities, shouldn't it? Unfortunately I can't find any university, union, or media source that says "Rick Etter's ridiculous allegations are false." I also haven't found any evidence from those sources that proves George W Bush is not in fact a cockroach. ========================== LOL Nice stawman, fool. Thanks for the proof again of your idiocy. Seems you have a bizarre notion of 'real life' examples. I gave you other real life examples as well. I fully acknowledged your example. ============== That was plural fool. I've acknowledged all of the information you provided, none of which does anything to prove the allegation that people are dying in wait lines. ====================== You're afraid to look. Besides, that response was to another of your ignorant claims that canadaians all prefer to be treated in canada and they all have wonderful experiences. that was the implication of your 'one' example of fine medical access. I replied with others that proved you wrong there too. Your lies are adding up. The fact that there is no evidence to sustantiate the allegation of people dying in waiting lines should of course been enough for you. ================== Not according to sources in your own country. You haven't provided any. Thus far they are only in your mind. ================ Again, yes I have. Please quote from one of your sources that says people are dying in wait lines and I will be happy to apologize. ============================== Try for your self. We know that you are afraid to, and I like how you're squiming like a worm on a hook. snip ========================== ROTFLMAO And you as independent as the driven snow. Stop, you're killing me!! Oh well, at least i can get tested right away, eh? I think some testing is definitely in order, and I think you are right on this one...pay whatever you need to pay to move to the front of the line. Your need for help is urgent. ================== Thanks for yet again making light of the plight of many many canadians fool. Your continued jingoism noted. |
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