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wrote on 2/20/05 10:48 PM:
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in article t,
rick at
wrote on 2/20/05 5:17 PM:
snippage...
No one is waiting for treatment. It's about a specific type
of
scan in a
specific geographic area and the waiting is for
non-emergencies.
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LOL Again, sure. I understand that when he turns into an
'emergency' case he will be right in the door. That you don't
see a problem with that says alot about your blindly following
what you are being told...
Being told by whom?
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Your ideological mouth pieces. Apparently you can't think for
yourself...
What ideological mouthpieces?
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The ones that tell you that the Canadian system has no waiting times,
and is the best system.
Who are they? When did they tell me this?
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You tell me. Or, were you just making up the stuff you claimed about
getting in for any test right away?
What are you talking about? You can't get any test you want right away.
However, you can get excellent care most everywhere and in the event of
living in a geographically isolated area or some other area where there is
less equipment and doctors than the norm, tests for non-emergencies might
result in a long wait.
Take a look into low birth weight babies born in Canada vs
the
US. Being born low weight to a Canadian family is a greater
risk
that being born to a African-American family in the US.
Where
does that fit in with your ill-concieved ideas that the
'poor'
in
the US suffer, while no-one in Canada does?
Where are you getting that information?
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Try getting it yourself. You're the one in canada....
As I suspected. More yakety yak by someone who has no idea.
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LOL Thanks for proving that you are ignorant of computer use.
Your statement does not compute.
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Of course not, not to someone that apparently dosen't know how to use
theirs, eh?
Logic system failure.
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Yes, you have failed at alot of things here.
Core logic meltdown.
As far as making ignorant claims, there are more than a few that
you have never backed up.
This is a weasely way of admitting that you can't back up your claim.
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Nopde. Try again fool. I've even given you the hints...
No hinting necessary weasel.
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Of couirse not. You knew you were spouting idiocy when you started. You
just weren't expecting to be called on your stupidity.
You haven't called me on anything.
tell me a 2 1/2 year wait if the boy does have cancer
won't
effect the outcome of his life, and that if the family HAS
the
money, they won't get one privately in Canada or the
states.
snip...
Yes, rich people everywhere can find ways to get things
that
other people
can't. Canada does not have a ban on rich people.
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Yet you try to pretend that your have a single health care
system
for all, and equal for all.
I've said no such thing. But a poor person will receive a
higher standard of
care in Canada than most anywhere else on the planet.
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LOL Again, once they are an 'emergency', eh?
No. I can leave my house right now and drive to the nearest
medical clinic
and get excellent care. They will not ask me how much money I
make.
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Sure, but they will make you wait for the tests to determine what
you mental illness is. That you are trying to deny that there
are long wait lists for many treatments needed across Canada is
your ideology speaking, not reality.
The quality of care varies somewhat particulary (as one might expect)
in
sparsely populated regions. But the standard of care across the country
is
excellent. I should know, I use it, and so do my friends and relatives.
FYI,
I was born in Evanston, Illinois, and I know a fair bit about health
care in
both countries, with relatives that live in both.
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Wow, how nice. Do you figure that you are the only one with family and
friends in both systems?
No.
Everyone prefers the
Canadian system. That is not to say that no one has ever complained
about
how long they had to wait for an elective procedure, but between the
two
systems as a whole, it is no contenst. It has nothing to do with
ideology.
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Then they must be as brainwashed as you, because many of the ones I know
always come back to the US for care. And, in a couple of cases, to give
care.
How many? What are they coming for? Why?
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Why do all yours allegedly prefer the canadian system? I've answered one
reason right off the bat. No waits. In a couple of cases the treatments
needed weren't life threatening, but very painful joint problems. They
decided that their wait time, and being dosed with painkillers instead of
treatment was medically unsound.
They prefer the Canadian system because the standard of care is not
dependent upon your income and you don't have to mortgage your house to get
the treatment that you need. Yes, you might indeed have to wait longer than
you would like to treat something that is painful but not life-threatening.
As to the 'anywhere else on the planet', Canada barely ranks
better than the US
And yet, ranks better, by whatever standard you are using.
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LOL Where have I ever claimed the US had no problems? You on
the other hand are trying to defend the indefenseble.
Not at all. So far you have pointed out that certain people looking for
a
very specific type of scan in a non-emergency situation in Newfoundland
are
having to wait a long time. This is a far cry from the statements about
peopel dying in waiting lines that brought me into this goofy
discussion.
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LOL That you have to fisate on one example says alot about your
brainwashing. That you believe that that is the one and only case
available to find is a hoot.
It was your example.
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Yes, one example of many. Why do you try to deny the months long wait
lists acroos Canada? More chest thumping?
What wait lists across Canada? All you have talked about is one isolated
case in Newfoundland.
I got involved in this thread because it was alleged that Canadians are
dying in waiting lines. That is total crap. And there hasn't been one piece
of evidence to support the allegation, nothing but a story about
Newfoundland, and nothing having to do with people dying while waiting.
and both are in the 30s, from the top of best
care. Both have serious problems, and jingoistically pounding
your chest about being #30 doesn't really mean anything, does
it?
This means, logically,
at the other end of the scale a very rich person may indeed
opt
to seek care
elsewhere.
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Again, yes, rather than to wait until they are an 'emergency'
case.
You have no clue.
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Yes, apparently more than you.
There is no evidence of that.
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I've posted real data, from real sites.
Perhaps so, but none to support your argument.
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LOL So, the sites I have posted have somehow said that there are no wait
times in canada? Man, you do have comprhension problems, don't you?
There are wait times in every medical system.
Nobody in Canada is dying while waiting, as was alleged.
You seem to be making it up as you go. Come on, provide more than just
your say-so that there are no waiting lines for Canadian health-care.
If you mean that somewhere in a doctor's office or emergency room someone
is waiting, I have to agree.
But no one is dying in a waiting line.
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An assertion that is not backed up by canadian sources. And for many, the
decision is not to wait until then, but to go elsewhere for treatment.
No one is dying in a waiting line as alleged.
I went to the doctor just last Monday. I called on Friday. Got an
appointment Monday afternoon. Received excellent care. Got a
prescription, had it filled that day. What's the problem?
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ummm, one example. Somehow I get the feeling that one exmple for youis
adequate, but I have to show that every Canadian is waiting for
specialized treatment. see your ideology is still in control, rather
that rationality.
You seem to have some bizarre notions about how things work here, so I was
sharing with you a real life example. The fact that there is no evidence to
sustantiate the allegation of people dying in waiting lines should of course
been enough for you.
You are basing your ridiculous views on an isolated situation
in
Newfoundland. That's like basing my view of US health care on
some spot in
Alaska.
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Isolated? What a hoot!!! Try some research fool. Start at
the Fraser Institute. Surely you've heard of them. They're in
Canada.
I know all about the Fraser Institute. LOL. Now perhaps I have at least
a
partial explanation of where you are getting these crazy ideas. The
secondary name for the Fraser Institue is "I wish George W. Bush was
the
Prime Minister of Canada." Asking what the Fraser Institute thinks
about
Canadian Health Care is like asking the NRA for objective advice on
handguns. Only worse! ROFL
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They are but one. But nice to see your ideology won't let truth get in
your way. Keep trying fool, maybe someday you'll learn something other
than your brainwashed opinion.
Heehee. You are so silly.
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Teehee, and you are still an ignorant buffoon.
At least I know that the Fraser Institute isn't the place to go for
objective information. You really looked pathetic spouting off about that.
You could just hear the collective guffaws!
All it manages to do is promote a
have vs have-not conflict.
?