A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:

TnT says:
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That there are subcultures that don't know how to properly exercise our
rights, does not mean that the rest of us should be deprived of being
able to exercise those rights ourselves.
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Your argument is seductively simple, but it flies in the face of most
laws that are passed to restrict your actions.

Let's take a very simple example: lawn darts (at least that's what I
think those "toys" were called). After some period of use, it became
clear that these darts presented a serious danger to people using them
in recreational activities in backyards and on picnics (that is, people
ended up getting them stuck in their skulls).

The darts were subsequently taken off the shelves at your local ToysRUs
and, as far as I know, are no longer avalable for sale. Using your
logic, we should all be outraged that, because of a few careless
people, we've been denied the right to toss lethal darts in the air at
our mother-in-law's picnic.

Precisely correct. I am outraged that the CPSC would force the withdrawal of
a an adult lawn game merely because since 1988 only THREE children have been
killed, and ONE child injured by improper use of an adult toy.

That militates for criminal and civil sanctions against careless adults who
allow children to use lawn darts or be in the area when lawn darts are being
used, not a hysterical overreaction to an extremely rare event. The
Nanny-State twits at the CPSC put the company that manufactured this
enjoyable adult device out of business, and that was WRONG.


That's the nature of laws in a civilized society -- the "people" decide
that certain activities, products, whatever, do more harm to the
"greater good" than it's worth. IMHO, guns fit into that category.

Problem is, you're wrong. Way wrong. So wrong that it's imperative that we
ensure that you don't get your way, ever, because if you do, billions of
people will suffer and die as a result.


Many of you Americans clearly disagree. As you can. But as you
disagree, it might be useul to examine how much ownership of guns
parallels ownership of lawn darts.

The only parallel is that responsible adults ought to keep children out of
the line of fire when using, and teaching their children to use firearms.

In both cases, innocent people are
injured and die due to accidents. Had the lawn darts/guns not been
lying around, that misery could have been avoided.

Then let's ban cars. Remember, only THREE children were killed by lawn
darts, ever. That's simply not justification for banning the object, period.

The same is true of guns. Accidental deaths of children caused by firearms
are very few in number, and are being reduced every year, in large part
thanks to the NRA and it's firearms safety training programs.

Banning guns because a very small number of unfortunate accidents happens
is, quite literally, throwing out the baby with the bath water. The
consequences of even trying to ban guns so as to attempt to eliminate
accidents involving children (or adults for that matter) are so horrific
that it's not even open to consideration, even if it were possible, which
it's not.
--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

A Usenet persona calling itself Michael Daly wrote:

On 24-Feb-2005, "Wolfgang" wrote:

One cannot but believe they'd exist wherever the hell they
please.

As long as you are working with the Judeo-Christian God, you
are stuck with the fact that even among the faithful, there
is no story or myth where God exists in the physical world.
Every contact between God and man in the Bible is by proxy.

Boy, are you ignorant. I'm not even Christian and I know that this is simply
wrong.

Some examples: Jesus is (according to Christians) the Son of God, and is, in
fact, God himself in one of his Aspects.

Second, God contacted Moses directly when issuing the Ten Commandments.

Third, God interacted directly with Moses and the Isralites when he parted
the Red Sea.

And then there's Lot, his wife, and Sodom and Gomorrah...

The list goes on and on.


--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote:



Uhuh. And you think it's unreasonable to describe such a firearm as a
variation of the AK-47? The whole point to begin with is it is a weapon
for
killing a lot of people quickly.

Nothing wrong with killing a lot of people quickly, if they need killing.

And there you have it, Scott Weiser, future mass murderer.

Er...that might qualify as libel. I'd be a bit more careful if I were you.

You do understand that there are times when it is perfectly legitimate,
legal and moral to kill lots of people quickly, don't you?

Ever hear of the Chosin Reservoir?

How about Stalingrad?

Omaha Beach?
--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

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On 25-Feb-2005, "rick" wrote:

Please provide a link. Otherwise, unless you believe
that
everyone but you
is able to see them, you may have to accept that they
do not
exist.
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I have, and I've told you where else to check several
times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your
decision.

It would take you a lot less time to post the link than
to
keep insisting that you already did. What are you afraid
of?
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ROTFLMAO What a hoot. It would have been far quicker
for you and kman to have looked for yourselves.

Since it doesn't exist, it's not quicker.
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Keep telling yourself that fool. That you refuse to look
says all anyone needs to know about your willful ignorance.

You are a liar and a coward.
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LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.
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Yes, I have. That you are too afraid to read them proves your
willful ignorance.






You are a liar and a coward.
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LOL You are the one afraid to read the sites provided, fool.

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Either every other person here is delusional, or it's
just you rick.
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Yes, you are first and foremost delusional. You are
afraid to seek out the info. You are afraid of real
discussion, so instead you puff out your chest in
jingoistic blatherings.

As I've offered, simply post the material and I will
apologize.
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Already have fool, and on my server they are still
available, plus where I've told you to look. That you wish
to remain willfully ignorant proves your ideology trumps
knowledge.

You are a liar and a coward.
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LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...


You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

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Neither I nor anyone else can see any post from you
that provides evidence
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health
care.

Please provide a link. Otherwise, unless you believe
that everyone but you
is able to see them, you may have to accept that they
do not exist.
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I have, and I've told you where else to check several
times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your
decision.

No one else has seen this post that you say you made.
None of them.
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You've asked the whole world have you? What a hoot fool.
Again, why are you afraid to look up the info for
yourself? Why do you want me to, whne I already have and
you didn't like the messenger?

The information does not exist, because you are wrong.
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Keep telling yourself that, and maybe someday you might even
believe it. That you wish to remain willfully ignorant
proves your ideology trumps knowledge.

You are a liar and a coward. =================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

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You are afraid of real discussion, so instead
you puff out your chest in jingoistic blatherings.

There is nothing jingoistic about asking you to post the
materials to support your claim. But you can't, because
they don't exist.
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LOL I posted support for my claims, you have not. All
you've done is thump your chest and make claims that I
disproved.
You didn't like that, so you have ignored the posts and/or
claimed the messenger was bad. Too bad for you that the
facts remain available, and are there for you to see, if
you'd ever open your eyes.

You are a liar and a coward.
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LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that
aren't being backed up, that would be you, fool.



You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward. =================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

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Actually, it was.
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No, your have displayed your ignorance quite well. You
have proven that you cannot use your computer.

The fact that you just responded to a message sent from my
computer proves that I can use it.
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LOL Nice tap dance queeny. Now prove that you realy can use
your computer and look up the data that I have posted for you.
Or are you still too afraid to do that?

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
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LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...





You have proven that you cannot accept facts that interfere
with your fantasies.

What facts? Please present them.
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I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that
aren't being backed up, that would be you, fool.
Why have YOU been afraid to look. The sites are still there,
my posts are still there, the only thing missing is your
courage to look at them.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...






You have proven that you are a buffoon.

I think behaviour befitting a buffoon could include:

1) corresponding with someone via computer and then telling
them they don't know how to use a computer
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You've made it apparent that you do not know how to use your
computer effectively. That, or you've proven that you are
afraid of what you will find.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...




2) telling them that they cannot accept facts that you have
failed to present
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I have presented facts, dolt. It is YOU that has made claims
that you have never backed up. It is you that has been lying.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...





3) at this point, the idea that you are going to start making
sense has become a fantasy
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Fantasies and delusions are what you live by. Me? I prefer
to deal in reality. And that is what I have posted for you.
You have decided that you prefer your willful ignorance and
delusions. Thanks for proving it yet again.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
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LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...





http://www.freep.com/news/locway/shoot4_20040604.htm
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NAme the corner store they bought their weapons from,
fool. thanks again for displaying your ignorant ideology.

Does it matter which store they bought them at!??!?!!??!
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LOL You're theone that keeps saying they trot down to the
corner gun-mart, like there's one on every crack dealers
corner. That's just part of your ignorant delusions.

Well, they got them, and shot up the neighbourhood, isn't
THAT the point?
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Tap, tap, tap. Nice dance there queeny.

No dancing. That's the point.
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Nope, wasn't waht you were saying, fool. Do try to keep up...



But I'll see your corner gun-marts and raise you a corner
gun rent-a-center, like they have in Toronto.
http://www.diversitywatch.ryerson.ca...globe_jan7.htm

So? I'm not in favour of drug dealers buying guns and
shooting people in Canada either!
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Yet you can rent one for just that purpose. haven't seen
any rent-a-gun shops around here.

There's actually more than just me here in Canada. They can
close every gun shop of ever type for all I care.
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And fortunately for everyone else, you aren't the person that
gets to make that call.

Never said I was.
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Good. Now, try to live in the real world for awhile.




Now where's your link that proves Canadians are dying in
wait lines for
health care?
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I have, and I've told you where else to check several
times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your
decision.

No one else has seen this post that you say you made. None
of them.

Either every other person here is delusional, or it's just
you rick.
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Yes, you are first and foremost delusional. You are afraid
to
seek out the info. You are afraid of real discussion, so
instead
you puff out your chest in jingoistic blatherings.

The info does not exist. Prove me wrong. Or are you a coward?
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I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that
aren't being backed up, that would be you, fool.
Why have YOU been afraid to look. The sites are still there,
my posts are still there, the only thing missing is your
courage to look at them.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...








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There's no need for assault weapons, other than the selfish
fascination of gun nuts or those who want to kill a lot of
people in a short period of time.
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Again fool, tell us the difference between this assault
weapon and any other available. There are far more powerful
and deadly weapons out there fool.

Good, get rid of those too.
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You aren't the person that makes that call. Unlike you I live
in a more free society apparently. At least one where I'm not
trapped by my ideology, brainwashing, and delusions.

I'm carrying along with life and doing just fine, thanks. But I
don't have to say I love guns if I don't.
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Nobody said you had to. What you should try to do is live in
reality for awhile.



=======================
Yes, you are first and foremost delusional. You are afraid
to
seek out the info. You are afraid of real discussion, so
instead
you puff out your chest in jingoistic blatherings.

I'm not afraid. Prove me wrong. I say the information does
not exist. Are you a coward?
======================
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LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that
aren't being backed up, that would be you, fool.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...





Like I said before fool, that you are too afraid to know
the facts is no skin off my nose. I gave you the
opportunity to find them yourself, because if I bring them
up, you claim they are biased sources. Whay a hoot you
are. thabnks again for proving your ignorant ideology...

No one else has seen this post that you say you made. None
of them.

Either every other person here is delusional, or it's just
you rick.
=======================
Yes, you are first and foremost delusional. You are afraid
to
seek out the info. You are afraid of real discussion, so
instead
you puff out your chest in jingoistic blatherings.

I say you are a liar. Prove me wrong. Are you a coward?
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that
aren't being backed up, that would be you, fool.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

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I never said any such thing, nor implied it. If even
one person
is killed
with an assault weapon - a gun that is designed to kill
many
people quickly
- that's obviously too many.
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Yes, that is exactly what you keep implying when you
talk about
spraying in parks.

It happens.
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What corner store did they buy these guns from? Your
ignorance is exposed, again...

AHAHAHA!

So now it matters which store they bought them at?

Heehee. It's fun watching you get so pathetically
desperate!
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LOL That's a hoot coming from the tap dance queen...

You've been tap dancing for days on end. You are a liar and a
coward.
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Wow, a mimic now too. See, I've told you you have no
independent thoughts of your own.
I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out
the facts... I'm not the one that is making claims that aren't
being backed up, that would be you, fool. Why have YOU been
afraid to look. The sites are still there, my posts are still
there, the only thing missing is your courage to look at them.

You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation
that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care.

You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

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snippage...



Whatever selfish but harmless reasons there might be
for
desiring to own an
assault weapon, they can't possibly outweight the
benefits of
not having
them available to those who wish to kill a lot of
people
quickly.
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Where are all these people that wish to kill 'a
lot'(code for
1000s) of people?

"A lot" is NOT code for 1000s of people. It's not code
for anything.
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Yes, it is. Especially when you keep saying it, despite
the fact that it isn't so.

How much is a lot of donuts? 1000?

Only a nut like you thinks "a lot" means 1000s!
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LOL Nope, you're the one that keeps talking about a lot,
and the 1000s of people that are shot in the US.

1) I have talked about "a lot." This does not mean 1000s.
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Youn are the one talking about 1000s...

I'm talking about a lot of things.

But not once have a talked about one person shooting 1000s of
people.
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Nice strawman fool. i never said you claimed one person did.
You keep talking about all these mythical crack dealers on every
corner, buying guns at all these mythical corner gun stores, and
then mythically killing all these people in the park. You do
realize how ignorant you are, don't you?



2) I have also talked about the FACT that more than 30000
people die from guns in the US each year.
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There you go. See, I knew you'd remember sooner or later.
Now, put you fantasies together and make them all crack
dealers shooting up parks...

You are pathetic.
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Thanks for proving you have nothing, fool.





Again, fortunatly you are not the arbiter of
what is or is not needed. You really have no clue about
weapons,
do you, fool?

I know that an assault rifle is designed to kill a lot of
people quickly.
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No, you don't. Try learning a little more. Many assault
weapons calibers are very intermediate cartridges,
designed to wound rather than kill.

Oh, great!
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What, more ignorance on your part? You really don't know
anything about guns except what your brainwashing has taught
you, do you?

Hm. Well, if brainwashing = fanaticism, you should hear
yourself. You really sound...well...crazy.
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from the head loony? hanks fool...

What are my loony beliefs?
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That no one is waiting for treatment in canadas health care
system as a start. then add anything else you have spewed about
here all week...





There are many weapons that have far greater chance of
killing than assualt weapons. Can any weapon kill? Sure,
even a slingshot, but they don't kill just because they
"look" mean. You really are a hoot. A laugh a minute.

I'll amend:

I know that an assault rifle is designed to put a lot of
bullets into a lot of people quickly.
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So can many other weapons.

Good, get rid of those too.
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Fortunately yiou don't get to make that call.

Never said I do.


That's why you'll find the statistics of 'assault weapon'
use in crime pretty small.
Again, tell the the difference between the operation of an
assault weapon and others.

I know that an assault rifle and many other weapons are
designed to put a lot of bullets into a lot of people
quickly.
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Well a new tune!! Before it was only assault weapons that
could do this. Tap, tap, tap...

Never said that either.
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yes, it was all you were spewing about. trying to pretend that
you cared by spewing about a rare occurance by 'assault weapons'.
the proof that your caring is just ideological delusion is that
you are spewing not a bit about things that cause far more death
and suffering in the world. Like health care wait lines....




Only selfish idiots or people who want to kill a lot of other
people would be in favour of having such guns.
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Only fools would be in favor of curbing everyone elses
rights...

Rights are curbed all the time. Otherwise there would be no
laws at all. It's a question of balance, and the need for some
nut like you to have a weapon designed to kill a lot of people
quickly does not outweight the public good...unless you are a
nut. Which you are.
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Says the head loony?