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I don't think you've been paying attention and you
are making
a fool of
yourself. You might want to ask Tinkerntom to point
you to
the post (long
ago) where I conceded that the way I framed the
question
allowed you to meet
the burden of proof I requested.
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Yet the proof was presented, and it proves you are a
liar
regardless of how you make your claim.

All it proves is that I told you the people in
Newfoundland
were not waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment and I was
right.

You are a scumbag, and a coward for not admitting your
dishonesty.
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That was but one example to show that you were lying

Whatever you think it was, I never said that no one in
Canada is waiting for
treatment.
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Yes, you did.

No, I didn't. The only evidence that you presented was my
response to your story about Newfoundland, in which you
claimed people were waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment.
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LOL No, fool "I" didn't claim that, I posted the site, a
Canadian site, that states that, and backs it up. Too bad
you can't seem to keep things straight here, eh liarman?

It doesn't matter. Even if we differ on what the article
itself says (since the doctor in the article mentions
specifically that all the patients are under care, I don't
know why you perseverate on it) the point is I was only
responding your claim about that one article - I wasn't
talking about all of Canada or all Canadians. I never said no
one in Canada ever has to wait for treatment - which is what
you claimed I said.
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Yes, you did.

I refuted your claim that the people in Newfoundland were not
waiting 2.5 years for treatment.
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No, you did not, liarman.



Whether or not you choose to accept that refutation,
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You have to make it first, liarman...


that in no way substantiates your false claim that I said no
one in Canada ever waits for treatment. You are a dishonest
scumbag and you owe me an apology.
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No, I don't. And, I'm not the one that claimed they would,
liarman. Where's yours?

Michael says:
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Just to confuse the issue further, there is such a thing
as a liberal conservative. The Economist states that its
political position is such
========

Right you are, Michael. And most American "conservatives" would be
offended if they were informed that they are actually quite liberal.
But, as you suggest, most wouldn't get it.

frtzw906

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You are a scumbag, and a coward for not admitting your
dishonesty.
==========================
That was but one example to show that you were lying

Whatever you think it was, I never said that no one in
Canada is waiting for
treatment.
=================
Yes, you did.

No, I didn't.
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Yes, you did, and 've explained it to you.

The only evidence that you presented was my response to your
story about Newfoundland, in which you claimed people were
waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment. Within the same article,
it is pointed out that they are all in fact in receipt of
treatment,
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Another lie, liarman. It does not. The original doctor
wants the scans so he can determine what treatment is
necessary. Why do you continur to lie so much? Genetic?

"While the wait is less than ideal, patients' conditions are
being investigated andfollowed by other medical means, said
Geoffrey Higgins, clinical chief of diagnostic imaging at the
Health Care Corporation of St. John's.
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Doesn't say they are getting treatment fool. Says their
condition is being monitored. If it worsens, THEN they get
tests that will determine their treatment.

Whether or not we are to agree on these semantics (and I don't
agree with you) you still owe me an apology for saying that I
claimed no one in Canada is waiting for treatment.
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No fool, I don't. You made that statement, and have now admitted
your lie.



I never said that. You are being dishonest. Now
suck it up, stop being such a coward, and apologize.
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Nope, I've no need to, liarman. I'm not the one that claimed
they would,
liarman. Where's yours?

Michael says:
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And what any reasonable person would do. There are a lot
of unreasonable people out there. The overall message I
take out of the New Testament is to be a decent person.
It's not hard and I don't understand how so many stridently
conservative "Christians" can't muster that.
=========

Thanks Michael. I don't know why I don't say it as clearly as you. I
am, however, trying to see if cognitive dossonance will work with Tink

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I told you the people in Newfoundland were not waiting 2
1/2
years for treatment and I was right.
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No, you weren't. You were lying as usual. Their
treatment did
not start for at least 2 1/2 years.

As stated in the article:

"While the wait is less than ideal, patients' conditions
are being
investigated andfollowed by other medical means, and that
anyone needing an
emergency scan gets one," said Geoffrey Higgins, clinical
chief of
diagnostic imaging at the Health Care Corporation of St.
John's.
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Yes, and an emergency scan may be too late. What part of
all this really is over your head? The doctor wants to
start treatment

The doctor states that they are already receiving
treatment, and that anyone who needs the scan earlier will
get it.
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No, it does not.

"While the wait is less than ideal, patients' conditions are
being investigated and followed by other medical means"
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LOL Still doesn't mean they are getting the treatment they
need, liarman.

That is obviously debatable.
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LOL Not in the case presented.


But what is not debatable is what you accused me of saying:
that no one in Canada ever waits for health care.
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Nope. that's what you said, liarman...


I never said it.
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Yes, you did liarman...


You are being dishonest. Just apologize and move on, you'll
feel better knowing you don't have to live every part of your
life as a coward.
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ROTFLMAO Tour the one that has continued to prove that your are
afraid, liarman.
It's your dishonest lying that is going on. Why the
continued rehash of these lies when the real disucssion was about
you claim that no one dies while waiting, liarman? Also, why the
continued dishonest deletion of relies, liarman?

TnT says:
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In the last political cycle, there was talk here of being liberal on
social issues, and conservative on economic issues. I am not sure if
that is just a smoke screen for not knowing what you believe,
=========

It's actually quite simple Tink. I'll give you an example without even
thinking about it too long. Social liberal: legalize MJ, legalize
prositution, allow gay marriages, pro-choice... OK, so far that hasn't
cost us a penny.

Now for fiscal conservative: reduce military spending, eliminate
subsidies to corporate interests, charge ranchers for grazing on
federal lands, charge broadcasters more for using (abusing?) the
people's radio bands.... OK, still not costing you any money...

So, Tink, how was that hard to do?

frtzw906

KMAN correctly asserts:
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The worst case is what the US has now...a bunch of socially
conservative assholes who are at the same time blowing their economic
wad faster than a soviet dictator in the middle of the Cold War!
========

So there you have it Tink: an example for social conservatism AND
fiscal liberaleralism.... now you tell us who does more damage?

frtzw906

Tink says:
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Liarman!!!!! Scumbag!!!!! And it goes on
forever and ever and ever! Now that would be hell for the rest of us!
=========

i have no expectation that rick will stop, but i am hoping that kman
will wipe that baby **** that are rick's comments from his blanket....
and then walk away....

frtzw906

Michael Daly wrote:
On 4-Mar-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

I think I did what Jesus would have done!

And what any reasonable person would do. There are a lot
of unreasonable people out there. The overall message I
take out of the New Testament is to be a decent person.
It's not hard and I don't understand how so many stridently
conservative "Christians" can't muster that.

Mike

Mike, I agree with you wholeheartedly, and apart from the recent
discussions here that have become acrimonius, I have a philosopy that I
try to live. It is based on scriptures found in the book of Peter,
where he says, " Considering all these things, live a quiet and
peaceful life as much as is possible."

The "Considering all these things," represent some of the issues that
have been discussed recently here. I am more than willing to answer
folks if they ask about the hope that is in me. I am willing and able
to discuss many Christian ethical questions, which can be profitable,
though sometimes intense. However after we consider all these things, I
look forward to living a quiet and peaceful life, which happens to
include paddling.

Ironically, some of the greatest resistance I have run into, is from
Christians. I show them this scripture, and they don't get it. They are
like K&r, born to be contentious it would appear. They even choke when
I tell them about the love of God. You would think that they would be
excited about God's Love, but sadly they are more excited about the new
carpet in the church, or the business meeting, or some other worldly
function, or even fighting the church next door. Don't misunderstand
me, those things are nice and may be necessary, but I have found many
churches to be a spiritual desert.

Now sometimes even this peace and quietness is not possible, and it
seems that some even here, desire to be difficult for no other reason
than being difficult. I realize that some have struggled with, and been
annoyed by what I have said. Largely I relize that this is due to their
misunderstanding of what I am trying to say, and how they have been
treated in the past.

I don't know that anyone really does not want to be loved by God, if
there is God. If there is no God, then it would still be good and
necessary for us to respect and be nice to one another. Sort of like
two vessel passing on the water. They are going opposite directions,
but they still afford each other the right of way. If we do this in
life, things go so much easier. TnT

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Michael Daly wrote:
On 3-Mar-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

Mike, if God walked up and punched you in the nose, how would
you
know
that it is God that did this

If He was in the form of a person, I wouldn't know. If it was
something
that could punch me in the nose but didn't look like a person or
any
other common critter, I'd be suspicious. However, I don't know
that
"God" would be my first guess.

Mike

Fair enough, I agree that if He punched you in the nose, I suspect
you
would be within the bounds of reason if God was not your first
guess.
Do you have any thoughts or guesses about what God would do if He
confronted you face to face, if not punch you in the nose? TnT

He'd say: "How the hell could you talk about god with Tinkerntom for
this
long! I was reading the thread and my head started to hurt so much I
tried
to kill myself, but as you know, I'm an omnipotent spirit, to such an
extent
that I can't even do myself in!"

I can see that lake of fire now, Kman on one side, and rick on the
other, yelling at each other. Liarman!!!!! Scumbag!!!!! And it goes on
forever and ever and ever! Now that would be hell for the rest of us!
TnT

So, work your magic!

All I said was that - in my opinion - the people in Newfoundland were not
waiting 2 /12 years for treatment. They were receiving treatment as
mentioned by the doctor in the article. But, whatever you think about those
good folks in Newfoundland, I never said that no one in Canada ever waits
for treatment as rick is alleging, and continue to insist upon, despite his
total inability to demonstrate otherwise. And for that, he IS a scumbag.