Remember the good old days when love was only love, and we didn't do sex
until married? Those were the good old days when we obeyed God; so He made
our corn tall, wildflowers plenteous, drove out harmful animals, and gave us
fresh water streams full of good fish, and God kept us healthy and strong
and smart. In the Old Testament everybody was expected to be celibate
until married, and every child was expected to be immaculate. God has some
holy people today too. When your town becomes wicked, sell your house and
move away to where God shows you. Hold fast your love in God. Thank You
God in the Lord Jesus' name.
KW.

Harry Krause wrote:
Apostle Keith Williams wrote:
Remember the good old days when we didn't do sex
until married?

No, I don't. Thank god.

Hell, let's just go back to the "good old days" when, if a woman spoke
out of line, she was deemed a witch and stoned to death.
Or let's go back to the "good old days" when fornicating at all was
considered a deadly sin.
My uncle, who grew up during depression days, used to hate hearing
someone talk about the "good old days". He'd tell them in a second,
that the "good old days" weren't so good!

"Apostle Keith Williams" wrote in message
news:9901a$41ed60eb$4f5dd58$11539@allthenewsgroups .com...
Remember the good old days when love was only love, and we didn't do
sex
until married?

No, I don't

Jim Carter

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
Apostle Keith Williams wrote:
Remember the good old days when we didn't do sex
until married?

Sex before marriage is as old as marriage itself.



No, I don't. Thank god.

Hell, let's just go back to the "good old days" when, if a woman spoke
out of line, she was deemed a witch and stoned to death.

If she spoke *out of line* she was deemed a witch and stoned to death? I
don't recall reading about that. When and where was that happening?


Or let's go back to the "good old days" when fornicating at all was
considered a deadly sin.

You may not think so (see my closing comments). It still is. Were the 10
Commandments rewriten Bassy? When did that happen?

My uncle, who grew up during depression days, used to hate hearing
someone talk about the "good old days". He'd tell them in a second,
that the "good old days" weren't so good!

There were bad things and good things about those times. I don't know if I
could ever live without the comforts and technology of today. I don't know
how folks survived without running water, hot water on demand, electricity,
cars, etc.....but they somehow survived. Medical knowledge and technology
was also no where near what we have today and thus average life spans were
in the 50 or 60 year ranges. Now they are in the 70 to 80 year range, at
least in the US.

On the other hand we seem to have lost our moral and family values, now
almost things of the past. One only has to look at the percentage of
children being born out of wedlock (almost 80% in the black community and
almost 25% in the white community). A young single mother with child,
especially in her teens, is almost a ticket to povery. Add to that
increasing crime rates, lack of decency on the airwaves and the music being
sold and we have indeed become a nation without moral value.

Nope, these days are nothing like the good old days. Despite the
inconviences I almost long for those days.

And I wonder what type of world my children and their children will have to
live in.

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
Apostle Keith Williams wrote:
Remember the good old days when we didn't do sex
until married?

Sex before marriage is as old as marriage itself.



No, I don't. Thank god.

Hell, let's just go back to the "good old days" when, if a woman
spoke
out of line, she was deemed a witch and stoned to death.

If she spoke *out of line* she was deemed a witch and stoned to
death? I
don't recall reading about that. When and where was that happening?

Salem, Mass. for one. Ever hear of the place?


Or let's go back to the "good old days" when fornicating at all was
considered a deadly sin.

You may not think so (see my closing comments). It still is. Were
the 10
Commandments rewriten Bassy? When did that happen?

I guess you've not heard, the Christians have lossened their grip, and
are allowing married couples to fornicate for procreation.


Nope, these days are nothing like the good old days. Despite the
inconviences I almost long for those days.

And I wonder what type of world my children and their children will
have to
live in.

Me too. I only hope that it's not a world repressed by the christian
right.

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
Apostle Keith Williams wrote:
Remember the good old days when we didn't do sex
until married?

Sex before marriage is as old as marriage itself.



No, I don't. Thank god.

Hell, let's just go back to the "good old days" when, if a woman
spoke
out of line, she was deemed a witch and stoned to death.

If she spoke *out of line* she was deemed a witch and stoned to
death? I
don't recall reading about that. When and where was that happening?

Salem, Mass. for one. Ever hear of the place?

So the women there spoke *out of line*, were judged to be witches and were
then stoned to death?




Or let's go back to the "good old days" when fornicating at all was
considered a deadly sin.

You may not think so (see my closing comments). It still is. Were
the 10
Commandments rewriten Bassy? When did that happen?

I guess you've not heard, the Christians have lossened their grip, and
are allowing married couples to fornicate for procreation.

Really? Specifically what religions would that include? Certainly not the
Catholic Religion.




Nope, these days are nothing like the good old days. Despite the
inconviences I almost long for those days.

And I wonder what type of world my children and their children will
have to
live in.

Me too. I only hope that it's not a world repressed by the christian
right.


You seemed to have snipped my discussion on ethics and morals, so I will
paste it here for you to read again:
-----
There were bad things and good things about those times. I don't know if I
could ever live without the comforts and technology of today. I don't know
how folks survived without running water, hot water on demand, electricity,
cars, etc.....but they somehow survived. Medical knowledge and technology
was also no where near what we have today and thus average life spans were
in the 50 or 60 year ranges. Now they are in the 70 to 80 year range, at
least in the US.

On the other hand we seem to have lost our moral and family values, now
almost things of the past. One only has to look at the percentage of
children being born out of wedlock (almost 80% in the black community and
almost 25% in the white community). A young single mother with child,
especially in her teens, is almost a ticket to poverty. Add to that
increasing crime rates, lack of decency on the airwaves and the music being
sold and we have indeed become a nation without moral value.

Nope, these days are nothing like the good old days. Despite the
inconviences I almost long for those days.

And I wonder what type of world my children and their children will have to
live in.
-----

So which world is/was repressed by the Christian right? Then or now?

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
Apostle Keith Williams wrote:
Remember the good old days when we didn't do sex
until married?

Sex before marriage is as old as marriage itself.



No, I don't. Thank god.

Hell, let's just go back to the "good old days" when, if a woman
spoke
out of line, she was deemed a witch and stoned to death.

If she spoke *out of line* she was deemed a witch and stoned to
death? I
don't recall reading about that. When and where was that
happening?

Salem, Mass. for one. Ever hear of the place?

So the women there spoke *out of line*, were judged to be witches and
were
then stoned to death?

Yes. Absolutely.




Or let's go back to the "good old days" when fornicating at all
was
considered a deadly sin.

You may not think so (see my closing comments). It still is.
Were
the 10
Commandments rewriten Bassy? When did that happen?

I guess you've not heard, the Christians have lossened their grip,
and
are allowing married couples to fornicate for procreation.

Really? Specifically what religions would that include? Certainly
not the
Catholic Religion.

Really? Then where do Catholic children come from?




Nope, these days are nothing like the good old days. Despite the
inconviences I almost long for those days.

And I wonder what type of world my children and their children
will
have to
live in.

Me too. I only hope that it's not a world repressed by the
christian
right.


You seemed to have snipped my discussion on ethics and morals
Yes, indeed.

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
Apostle Keith Williams wrote:
Remember the good old days when we didn't do sex
until married?

Sex before marriage is as old as marriage itself.



No, I don't. Thank god.

Hell, let's just go back to the "good old days" when, if a woman
spoke
out of line, she was deemed a witch and stoned to death.

If she spoke *out of line* she was deemed a witch and stoned to
death? I
don't recall reading about that. When and where was that
happening?

Salem, Mass. for one. Ever hear of the place?

So the women there spoke *out of line*, were judged to be witches and
were
then stoned to death?

Yes. Absolutely.


How so? And was this a widespread problem or only in Salem, Mass.?






Or let's go back to the "good old days" when fornicating at all
was
considered a deadly sin.

You may not think so (see my closing comments). It still is.
Were
the 10
Commandments rewriten Bassy? When did that happen?

I guess you've not heard, the Christians have lossened their grip,
and
are allowing married couples to fornicate for procreation.

Really? Specifically what religions would that include? Certainly
not the
Catholic Religion.

Really? Then where do Catholic children come from?

Do you know the definition of fornication?






Nope, these days are nothing like the good old days. Despite the
inconviences I almost long for those days.

And I wonder what type of world my children and their children
will
have to
live in.

Me too. I only hope that it's not a world repressed by the
christian
right.


You seemed to have snipped my discussion on ethics and morals
Yes, indeed.


And to suit your end of the discussion.

You forgot to answer this last question (you again snipped it from your
reply). Here is a repost:

And I wonder what type of world my children and their children will
have to
live in.

Me too. I only hope that it's not a world repressed by the christian
right.


You seemed to have snipped my discussion on ethics and morals, so I will
paste it here for you to read again:
-----
There were bad things and good things about those times. I don't know if I
could ever live without the comforts and technology of today. I don't know
how folks survived without running water, hot water on demand, electricity,
cars, etc.....but they somehow survived. Medical knowledge and technology
was also no where near what we have today and thus average life spans were
in the 50 or 60 year ranges. Now they are in the 70 to 80 year range, at
least in the US.

On the other hand we seem to have lost our moral and family values, now
almost things of the past. One only has to look at the percentage of
children being born out of wedlock (almost 80% in the black community and
almost 25% in the white community). A young single mother with child,
especially in her teens, is almost a ticket to poverty. Add to that
increasing crime rates, lack of decency on the airwaves and the music being
sold and we have indeed become a nation without moral value.

Nope, these days are nothing like the good old days. Despite the
inconviences I almost long for those days.

And I wonder what type of world my children and their children will have to
live in.
-----

So which world is/was repressed by the Christian right? Then or now?

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
Apostle Keith Williams wrote:
Remember the good old days when we didn't do sex
until married?

Sex before marriage is as old as marriage itself.



No, I don't. Thank god.

Hell, let's just go back to the "good old days" when, if a
woman
spoke
out of line, she was deemed a witch and stoned to death.

If she spoke *out of line* she was deemed a witch and stoned to
death? I
don't recall reading about that. When and where was that
happening?

Salem, Mass. for one. Ever hear of the place?

So the women there spoke *out of line*, were judged to be witches
and
were
then stoned to death?

Yes. Absolutely.


How so? And was this a widespread problem or only in Salem, Mass.?

How so? Because the powers that were, simply deemed someone a witch.
Those women who dared speak out were put in horrible positions. And
yes, it was widespread. Have you ever read much of our history besides
what you wanted to understand?






Or let's go back to the "good old days" when fornicating at
all
was
considered a deadly sin.

You may not think so (see my closing comments). It still is.
Were
the 10
Commandments rewriten Bassy? When did that happen?

I guess you've not heard, the Christians have lossened their
grip,
and
are allowing married couples to fornicate for procreation.

Really? Specifically what religions would that include?
Certainly
not the
Catholic Religion.

Really? Then where do Catholic children come from?

Do you know the definition of fornication?

Yes.






Nope, these days are nothing like the good old days. Despite
the
inconviences I almost long for those days.

And I wonder what type of world my children and their children
will
have to
live in.

Me too. I only hope that it's not a world repressed by the
christian
right.


You seemed to have snipped my discussion on ethics and morals
Yes, indeed.


And to suit your end of the discussion.

No, because it's not relevent. Morals are in the eye of the beholder.

You forgot to answer this last question (you again snipped it from
your
reply). Here is a repost:

And I wonder what type of world my children and their children
will
have to
live in.

Me too. I only hope that it's not a world repressed by the
christian
right.


You seemed to have snipped my discussion on ethics and morals, so I
will
paste it here for you to read again:
-----
There were bad things and good things about those times. I don't
know if I
could ever live without the comforts and technology of today. I
don't know
how folks survived without running water, a
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onmouseover="window.status='hot water on demand'; return true;"
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electricity,
cars, etc.....but they somehow survived. Medical knowledge and
technology
was also no where near what we have today and thus average life spans
were
in the 50 or 60 year ranges. Now they are in the 70 to 80 year
range, at
least in the US.

On the other hand we seem to have lost our moral and family values,
now
almost things of the past. One only has to look at the percentage of
children being born out of wedlock (almost 80% in the black community
and
almost 25% in the white community). A young single mother with
child,
especially in her teens, is almost a ticket to poverty. Add to that
increasing crime rates, lack of decency on the airwaves and the music
being
sold and we have indeed become a nation without moral value.

Nope, these days are nothing like the good old days. Despite the
inconviences I almost long for those days.

And I wonder what type of world my children and their children will
have to
live in.
-----

So which world is/was repressed by the Christian right? Then or now?
The world that we live on.

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
Apostle Keith Williams wrote:
Remember the good old days when we didn't do sex
until married?

Sex before marriage is as old as marriage itself.



No, I don't. Thank god.

Hell, let's just go back to the "good old days" when, if a
woman
spoke
out of line, she was deemed a witch and stoned to death.

If she spoke *out of line* she was deemed a witch and stoned to
death? I
don't recall reading about that. When and where was that
happening?

Salem, Mass. for one. Ever hear of the place?

So the women there spoke *out of line*, were judged to be witches
and
were
then stoned to death?

Yes. Absolutely.


How so? And was this a widespread problem or only in Salem, Mass.?

How so? Because the powers that were, simply deemed someone a witch.
Those women who dared speak out were put in horrible positions. And
yes, it was widespread. Have you ever read much of our history besides
what you wanted to understand?






Or let's go back to the "good old days" when fornicating at
all
was
considered a deadly sin.

You may not think so (see my closing comments). It still is.
Were
the 10
Commandments rewriten Bassy? When did that happen?

I guess you've not heard, the Christians have lossened their
grip,
and
are allowing married couples to fornicate for procreation.

Really? Specifically what religions would that include?
Certainly
not the
Catholic Religion.

Really? Then where do Catholic children come from?

Do you know the definition of fornication?

Yes.


I don't think so. Nice try.