I've come to a conclusion after having to deal
with the likes of Shen44, otnmbrd, and RickyTugs
and some others this past year or so that perhaps
I have misjudged their motives.

I think I owe them all an apology because I
underestimated their love of the sea. It dawned
on me as I was pedaling to the store a little while
ago that, given all their other shortcomings and
faults, their love of the sea must be a match or
greater than that of the average sailor.

Why did I come to this conclusion? Easy.

Just examine what they do. They sit in a
wheelhouse surrounded by modern technology.
They breath air-conditioned air full of noxious
fumes from the operation of the ship. They
are subject to constant vibration and unnatural
motion. Noise is a constant companion. They even
admit to becoming seasick on a regular basis.
They spend their time alternately gazing at a
radar screen a Playboy Magazine and perhaps
a video tape or television.

If they are willing to ruin their health and
well-being and put up with such conditions just
to say they work at sea then they must truly
love the sea in order to sacrifice everything
to it.

What one must wonder, though, is why is it
they are either too stupid or too afraid to go
to sea in a small sailing yacht where they can
commune with their love of the sea and actually
enjoy what they're doing being close to the sea
in a healthy and challenging environment.

Go figure!

S.Simon - Master Mariner

Simple Simon wrote:

What one must wonder, though, is why is it
they are either too stupid or too afraid to go
to sea in a small sailing yacht where they can
commune with their love of the sea

Aside from your bizarre belief in the working conditions on a ship's
bridge and what we do and since you have only a fantasy vision of
professional mariners you make a public idiot of yourself once more.

Many, if not most, of the people I work with own and sail boats of all
sizes and types from 60 foot schooners to little toy trailerboats like
yours ... well, not quite like yours, they have the sense and the money
to maintain them and would not dream of setting foot on a derelict with
a broken boom ... and several make extended trips each year. One group
of 3 I know have been on an extended circumnavigation for years, flying
back to do their scheduled trips then flying back to meet the other guys
wherever they are located. The master of the vessel I left yesterday is
leaving for Tonga on his ketch next week when he is relieved.

Give it up, Nil, you aren't informed enough, bright enough, or witty
enough to play this game. The fact that you have been slammed on and out
of every lame thread you have attempted to start in the past couple of
months should have taught you something, if you have any capacity for
learning at all. The evidence so far is to the contrary ...

In the world of seafaring and mariners you are naught but a barnacle, an
impediment to efficiency, and a monument to the farce of lower level
licensing.

A wannabe for sure ...

Rick

The difference that you're missing, as I see it, is, these guys are on boats
while at work. You need to compare this to Simps former job as postman/sewer
worker, whatever he was. A lot of ship captains spend their off hours on the
water as well as while working.
BTW, last week I went onboard a H-L cont. ship (Breman(?) and talked to the
capt., he also sailed in his leisure.

Scotty


"Rick" wrote in message
news
Simple Simon wrote:

What one must wonder, though, is why is it
they are either too stupid or too afraid to go
to sea in a small sailing yacht where they can
commune with their love of the sea

Aside from your bizarre belief in the working conditions on a ship's
bridge and what we do and since you have only a fantasy vision of
professional mariners you make a public idiot of yourself once more.

Many, if not most, of the people I work with own and sail boats of all
sizes and types from 60 foot schooners to little toy trailerboats like
yours ... well, not quite like yours, they have the sense and the money
to maintain them and would not dream of setting foot on a derelict with
a broken boom ... and several make extended trips each year. One group
of 3 I know have been on an extended circumnavigation for years, flying
back to do their scheduled trips then flying back to meet the other guys
wherever they are located. The master of the vessel I left yesterday is
leaving for Tonga on his ketch next week when he is relieved.

Give it up, Nil, you aren't informed enough, bright enough, or witty
enough to play this game. The fact that you have been slammed on and out
of every lame thread you have attempted to start in the past couple of
months should have taught you something, if you have any capacity for
learning at all. The evidence so far is to the contrary ...

In the world of seafaring and mariners you are naught but a barnacle, an
impediment to efficiency, and a monument to the farce of lower level
licensing.

A wannabe for sure ...

Rick

Scott Vernon wrote:

The difference that you're missing, as I see it, is, these guys are on boats
while at work. You need to compare this to Simps former job as postman/sewer
worker, whatever he was.

Good point. I hadn't thought much about the fact that Nil spent his
working life in a miserable and unrewarding existence and needed
desparately to escape to his fantasy role of mariner in order to
survive. He probably lacked the courage or spirit to go to sea, or maybe
he tried and failed, and is bitter about his fate.

It must rip his guts out to know that we make a very good living doing
what he can only read about on the net. It must be Hell for him to know
that we not only travel the world by sea as a career but also own and
sail our own boats. It must be even more an assault to his ego that we
don't differntiate between sail or moter, they are all boats our manhood
is not measured by the manner of propulsion. His fantasy world requires
him to create his pecking order so that he might assume a higher level
than reality has assigned him ... in the bilges of a broken plastic
trailer boat, without a trailer or a car to tow it.

Most pleasure boaters just take pleasure in boating. Nil seems bent on
convincing us that he is some kind of professional, another Slocum,
Jones, or someone he can never be. The people he pretends to be don't
need to play the role he plays. They just do it, quietly, with great
delight. He is neither quiet nor does he seem to delight in his hobby.
It has become as much of a strain as the drudgery of his past employment.

When his ego is so fragile as to balance on the price of a discontinued
GPS there really isn't much more that one need say on the subject.

It would be sad if it were anyone other than Nil.

Rick

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
The difference that you're missing, as I see it, is, these guys are on boats
while at work. You need to compare this to Simps former job as postman/sewer
worker, whatever he was. A lot of ship captains spend their off hours on the
water as well as while working.
BTW, last week I went onboard a H-L cont. ship (Breman(?) and talked to the
capt., he also sailed in his leisure.

Scotty

Hope you were not trying to get a job running his ship with your new
licences.
Many Capt. keep a small copy of their licences in the wallet, Its
like a cops badge, gets onboard most ships anywere and into any
wheelhouse underway. The Galveston Ferry captian let me dock on the
boliver side once, That was a kick, had 50+ cars and a couple of big
rigs onboard.

Joe





"Rick" wrote in message
news
Simple Simon wrote:

What one must wonder, though, is why is it
they are either too stupid or too afraid to go
to sea in a small sailing yacht where they can
commune with their love of the sea

Aside from your bizarre belief in the working conditions on a ship's
bridge and what we do and since you have only a fantasy vision of
professional mariners you make a public idiot of yourself once more.

Many, if not most, of the people I work with own and sail boats of all
sizes and types from 60 foot schooners to little toy trailerboats like
yours ... well, not quite like yours, they have the sense and the money
to maintain them and would not dream of setting foot on a derelict with
a broken boom ... and several make extended trips each year. One group
of 3 I know have been on an extended circumnavigation for years, flying
back to do their scheduled trips then flying back to meet the other guys
wherever they are located. The master of the vessel I left yesterday is
leaving for Tonga on his ketch next week when he is relieved.

Give it up, Nil, you aren't informed enough, bright enough, or witty
enough to play this game. The fact that you have been slammed on and out
of every lame thread you have attempted to start in the past couple of
months should have taught you something, if you have any capacity for
learning at all. The evidence so far is to the contrary ...

In the world of seafaring and mariners you are naught but a barnacle, an
impediment to efficiency, and a monument to the farce of lower level
licensing.

A wannabe for sure ...

Rick

That's a good reason to get a license right there.

It's always more fun to be up front where the action is.

Once, on a clear flying day, traveling Space-A on a KC-10
tanker, after chatting a while with the crew chief, he
invited me to take a seat behind the pilot of jet while
flying over the Grand Canyon. That was a treat.

Bart

(Joe) wrote

Many Capt. keep a small copy of their licences in the wallet, Its
like a cops badge, gets onboard most ships anywere and into any
wheelhouse underway. The Galveston Ferry captian let me dock on the
boliver side once, That was a kick, had 50+ cars and a couple of big
rigs onboard.

Joe

On 31 Dec 2003 14:41:09 -0800, (N1EE) wrote
this crap:

That's a good reason to get a license right there.

It's always more fun to be up front where the action is.

Once, on a clear flying day, traveling Space-A on a KC-10
tanker, after chatting a while with the crew chief, he
invited me to take a seat behind the pilot of jet while
flying over the Grand Canyon. That was a treat.

Bull****. Space-A on a tanker?




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Simple Simon wrote:

If they are willing to ruin their health and
well-being and put up with such conditions just
to say they work at sea then they must truly
love the sea in order to sacrifice everything
to it.

The truth is that after a few dozen circumnavigations and a hundred
tranpacific runs in 10 or 15 years actually at sea, going to sea becomes
a little less than the great adventure it may be to a hobbyist like
yourself. It is still interesting and a wonderful way to make an
outstanding living as well as sharing time with some fine people but we
sacrifice little to do it, we gain much.

We can afford any type of recreational vessel we want and have the time
to cruise anywhere we want. We don't need to pretend, we sail.

You really don't understand what seafaring is about do you, Nil?

That was a rhetorical question ... you answer it every time you post.

Rick

Excellent reasoning Simon!

Nothing beats taking to the sea, singlehanded in a small craft. These
tugboats captains just live and work on board a spartan ocean liner. The
ship is too big and too far removed from the water to give them any sense of
the sea. It's the same as an airline pilot claiming he is a bird.

Scrappie

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I've come to a conclusion after having to deal
with the likes of Shen44, otnmbrd, and RickyTugs
and some others this past year or so that perhaps
I have misjudged their motives.

I think I owe them all an apology because I
underestimated their love of the sea. It dawned
on me as I was pedaling to the store a little while
ago that, given all their other shortcomings and
faults, their love of the sea must be a match or
greater than that of the average sailor.

Why did I come to this conclusion? Easy.

Just examine what they do. They sit in a
wheelhouse surrounded by modern technology.
They breath air-conditioned air full of noxious
fumes from the operation of the ship. They
are subject to constant vibration and unnatural
motion. Noise is a constant companion. They even
admit to becoming seasick on a regular basis.
They spend their time alternately gazing at a
radar screen a Playboy Magazine and perhaps
a video tape or television.

If they are willing to ruin their health and
well-being and put up with such conditions just
to say they work at sea then they must truly
love the sea in order to sacrifice everything
to it.

What one must wonder, though, is why is it
they are either too stupid or too afraid to go
to sea in a small sailing yacht where they can
commune with their love of the sea and actually
enjoy what they're doing being close to the sea
in a healthy and challenging environment.

Go figure!

S.Simon - Master Mariner

Thank you, sir! Glad somebody understands
my point.

I didn't really expect the tugboat captains
to understand but my love of the sea is so
great that I thought I'd give them a chance
to see how they are but glorified truck drivers
and far less a sailor than even week-end
sailors, for example, who go to sea only
a day or so at a time.

It is really a shame that they are so afraid
to be on their own that they have to surround
themselves with an entire crew of people and
tons and tons of metal driven in haste, noise
and polluted air that totally divorces them
from any real intimacy with Mother Nature at
her finest - the open ocean experienced up
close and personal.

S.Simon - Master Mariner and USCG licensed
Merchant Marine Officer who's
happier sailing his small yacht than
commanding the largest ship of the line.


"Scrappie" wrote in message ink.net...
Excellent reasoning Simon!

Nothing beats taking to the sea, singlehanded in a small craft. These
tugboats captains just live and work on board a spartan ocean liner. The
ship is too big and too far removed from the water to give them any sense of
the sea. It's the same as an airline pilot claiming he is a bird.

Scrappie

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I've come to a conclusion after having to deal
with the likes of Shen44, otnmbrd, and RickyTugs
and some others this past year or so that perhaps
I have misjudged their motives.

I think I owe them all an apology because I
underestimated their love of the sea. It dawned
on me as I was pedaling to the store a little while
ago that, given all their other shortcomings and
faults, their love of the sea must be a match or
greater than that of the average sailor.

Why did I come to this conclusion? Easy.

Just examine what they do. They sit in a
wheelhouse surrounded by modern technology.
They breath air-conditioned air full of noxious
fumes from the operation of the ship. They
are subject to constant vibration and unnatural
motion. Noise is a constant companion. They even
admit to becoming seasick on a regular basis.
They spend their time alternately gazing at a
radar screen a Playboy Magazine and perhaps
a video tape or television.

If they are willing to ruin their health and
well-being and put up with such conditions just
to say they work at sea then they must truly
love the sea in order to sacrifice everything
to it.

What one must wonder, though, is why is it
they are either too stupid or too afraid to go
to sea in a small sailing yacht where they can
commune with their love of the sea and actually
enjoy what they're doing being close to the sea
in a healthy and challenging environment.

Go figure!

S.Simon - Master Mariner