Rick wrote in message hlink.net...
Jonathan Ganz quoted:

ran that sounded better was a 95 footer that had 3 800 Hp Mercedes
turbo units(MTU's).

I never got that post for some reason but for what it's worth, MTU is
the name for "Motoren und Turbinen-Union München GmbH" which is now
simply called MTU.

The parent company, Daimler Chrysler, also owns Mercedes and Detroit
Diesel but that doesn't make an MTU a Mercedes any more than it makes it
a Detroit Diesel.

Rick

MTU Friedrichshafen GmbH, Germany and Detroit Diesel Corporation, USA,
two companies of the DaimlerChrysler AG, have consolidated.
The product range from both companies, supplemented by Mercedes-Benz
and VM Motori engines, has resulted in a worldwide leading supplier
for engines and drive systems

Back in the 1990's they were called Mercedes turbo units. A 800 HP v8
diesel.
They idled like a harley and when you put them in gear the stern would
dip down 2 foot when they dug in. Thin I liked about them was when you
cracked a head, each clyinder had a seperate head, unlike the detroits
where you have to replace at least a 6 cly head. They were new to the
marine industry and a company called Bruce boat buildt 25 or so boats
and powered them with MTU's most engine were shot after about 100
hours due to a faulty oil pump configuration, the builder did not take
into account the angle of the engine in a boat. Anywhay bruce sues
them and got several million and all new engines.

I think your boat could probably handle sailing in the bay.
It's you who couldn't handle it.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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You idiots make me laugh!

NONE of you fools are cruising sailors and
none of you will ever be because you don't
have the balls or the inclination. You'd rather
be tied up at your docks or ensconced in your
hovels ashore sucking up to your women who
won't let you quit your jobs and go cruising.

It's as simple as that. You are all slaves to
your life ashore and even if you weren't
you would find another excuse, any excuse
to not go cruising, because you are afraid
and not skilled enough and don't have a
boat that can handle it.

S.Simon

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Joe,

I have no doubt that Neal has exceeded this prodigous distance
while on his mooring in the Keys... going round and round and
round and round.

Sorry Jonathan,

I said over 21,000 miles a year. If he does the math he will see its
like 219,000 miles per year. That alot of swinging on the hook.

Joe





"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I've come to a conclusion after having to deal
with the likes of Shen44, otnmbrd, and RickyTugs
and some others this past year or so that perhaps
I have misjudged their motives.

I think I owe them all an apology because I
underestimated their love of the sea. It dawned
on me as I was pedaling to the store a little while
ago that, given all their other shortcomings and
faults, their love of the sea must be a match or
greater than that of the average sailor.

Why did I come to this conclusion? Easy.

Just examine what they do. They sit in a
wheelhouse surrounded by modern technology.
They breath air-conditioned air full of noxious
fumes from the operation of the ship. They
are subject to constant vibration and unnatural
motion. Noise is a constant companion. They even
admit to becoming seasick on a regular basis.
They spend their time alternately gazing at a
radar screen a Playboy Magazine and perhaps
a video tape or television.


Ever hear of crewboatidas? Its a real condition caused by high
speed
crewboats
slamming over the waves. A compression of the spine. We use to stand
in the galley and time jumping with the waves so that you would
float
in the air for a very long time, sorta like NASA's vomit comet. Alot
of fun unless you time your jump wrong and have the deck slam up as
you slam down. The galleys in most halter built boats had 12 foot
ceilings. One type of boat was notourious for slamming because it
had
to much flair on the bow. Called Cam Crafts, everyone nicknamed them
slamcrafts. And the noise is something you will never forget on a
145
foot crewboat that had 5, 12 clynder fully blown turbo charged 149
detroit diesel main engines screaming along at 25+knots. Only boat I
ran that sounded better was a 95 footer that had 3 800 Hp Mercedes
turbo units(MTU's).

For several years we adveraged 600 miles a day working for Mobil.
We
serviced 3 drilling rigs 5 miles from the flower gardens and loaded
out in Freeport Texas. Do the math, thats over 21,000 miles a year.
How many miles at sea have you done in a year? What we saw would
take
you the adverage weekend sailor like you 5 lifetimes to see.


If they are willing to ruin their health and
well-being and put up with such conditions just
to say they work at sea then they must truly
love the sea in order to sacrifice everything
to it.

Is that way mariners work at sea so they can say "I work at sea"
most
I knew did it for the money.


What one must wonder, though, is why is it
they are either too stupid or too afraid to go
to sea in a small sailing yacht where they can
commune with their love of the sea and actually
enjoy what they're doing being close to the sea
in a healthy and challenging environment.

Most do both.

Go figure!

S.Simon - Weekend warrior at best.

Joe

Well, he's been swinging on his hook for 25 years.

Let's do the math... he circumnavigates 100 yards say, does
this 5 times a day, times 365, times 25 years. That's about 2190
miles. Yep, you're right you win by a several orders of
magnitude.

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Joe,

I have no doubt that Neal has exceeded this prodigous distance
while on his mooring in the Keys... going round and round and
round and round.

Sorry Jonathan,

I said over 21,000 miles a year. If he does the math he will see its
like 219,000 miles per year. That alot of swinging on the hook.

Joe





"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I've come to a conclusion after having to deal
with the likes of Shen44, otnmbrd, and RickyTugs
and some others this past year or so that perhaps
I have misjudged their motives.

I think I owe them all an apology because I
underestimated their love of the sea. It dawned
on me as I was pedaling to the store a little while
ago that, given all their other shortcomings and
faults, their love of the sea must be a match or
greater than that of the average sailor.

Why did I come to this conclusion? Easy.

Just examine what they do. They sit in a
wheelhouse surrounded by modern technology.
They breath air-conditioned air full of noxious
fumes from the operation of the ship. They
are subject to constant vibration and unnatural
motion. Noise is a constant companion. They even
admit to becoming seasick on a regular basis.
They spend their time alternately gazing at a
radar screen a Playboy Magazine and perhaps
a video tape or television.


Ever hear of crewboatidas? Its a real condition caused by high speed
crewboats
slamming over the waves. A compression of the spine. We use to stand
in the galley and time jumping with the waves so that you would float
in the air for a very long time, sorta like NASA's vomit comet. Alot
of fun unless you time your jump wrong and have the deck slam up as
you slam down. The galleys in most halter built boats had 12 foot
ceilings. One type of boat was notourious for slamming because it had
to much flair on the bow. Called Cam Crafts, everyone nicknamed them
slamcrafts. And the noise is something you will never forget on a 145
foot crewboat that had 5, 12 clynder fully blown turbo charged 149
detroit diesel main engines screaming along at 25+knots. Only boat I
ran that sounded better was a 95 footer that had 3 800 Hp Mercedes
turbo units(MTU's).

For several years we adveraged 600 miles a day working for Mobil. We
serviced 3 drilling rigs 5 miles from the flower gardens and loaded
out in Freeport Texas. Do the math, thats over 21,000 miles a year.
How many miles at sea have you done in a year? What we saw would take
you the adverage weekend sailor like you 5 lifetimes to see.


If they are willing to ruin their health and
well-being and put up with such conditions just
to say they work at sea then they must truly
love the sea in order to sacrifice everything
to it.

Is that way mariners work at sea so they can say "I work at sea" most
I knew did it for the money.


What one must wonder, though, is why is it
they are either too stupid or too afraid to go
to sea in a small sailing yacht where they can
commune with their love of the sea and actually
enjoy what they're doing being close to the sea
in a healthy and challenging environment.

Most do both.

Go figure!

S.Simon - Weekend warrior at best.

Joe

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:13:19 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Well, he's been swinging on his hook for 25 years.


At least he has a boat.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Yeah Jon,

He goes 'round & 'round, just like the Moon. Just like the Moon, he
never loses sight of his mooring.

So what? He is still on his vessel, on the water and still feels the
motion of the water and gets the smell of sea air. A lot more often than
I do.

Ole Thom

"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
"Rick" wrote in message link.net...
Jonathan Ganz quoted:

ran that sounded better was a 95 footer that had 3 800 Hp Mercedes
turbo units(MTU's).

I never got that post for some reason but for what it's worth, MTU is
the name for "Motoren und Turbinen-Union München GmbH" which is now
simply called MTU.

The parent company, Daimler Chrysler, also owns Mercedes and Detroit
Diesel but that doesn't make an MTU a Mercedes any more than it makes it
a Detroit Diesel.



Like I said - just a glorified truck driver . . .

Just like the glorified truck drivers called Astronauts huh?.

How many tons can you move legally? Not enough tonnage to take a
Kentworth to sea huh? Well at least you might be able to drive a Tonka
truck to sea.

Joe



S.Simon

Oh Kraz,

It isn't your lack of sailing that bothers me it's that BS theme about
others that keeps you from being a seaman.

A true sailor doesn't even worry about others. If you'd go sailing you
wouldn't care about the behavior of others

Oh, blow it out your ass, you horse-faced Looney Toone!

Anybody who defends going outrageous speeds in
restricted visibility relying only on radar is too much
of a fool to even bother punching in the nose. In your
case to hit your nose it would be necessary to punch
you right in the stomach.

S.Simon


"Joe" wrote in message om...
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
"Rick" wrote in message link.net...
Jonathan Ganz quoted:

ran that sounded better was a 95 footer that had 3 800 Hp Mercedes
turbo units(MTU's).

I never got that post for some reason but for what it's worth, MTU is
the name for "Motoren und Turbinen-Union München GmbH" which is now
simply called MTU.

The parent company, Daimler Chrysler, also owns Mercedes and Detroit
Diesel but that doesn't make an MTU a Mercedes any more than it makes it
a Detroit Diesel.



Like I said - just a glorified truck driver . . .

Just like the glorified truck drivers called Astronauts huh?.

How many tons can you move legally? Not enough tonnage to take a
Kentworth to sea huh? Well at least you might be able to drive a Tonka
truck to sea.

Joe



S.Simon

Simple Simon wrote:
Oh, blow it out your ass, you horse-faced Looney Toone!

Anybody who defends going outrageous speeds in
restricted visibility relying only on radar is too much
of a fool to even bother punching in the nose. In your
case to hit your nose it would be necessary to punch
you right in the stomach.

S.Simon

Let's see, Neal ..... has no radar, never used radar, typically doesn't
have a clue about that which he speaks ....add to the list of Neal's
trolling for fun.

Yes. You're right for once. He has a boat. You have
a piece of crap. Thanks for the clarification.

"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:13:19 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Well, he's been swinging on his hook for 25 years.


At least he has a boat.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe